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    #4562
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users Posts: 14,946 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Cass wrote: »
    This is pretty cool.

    My gen was promised those as a mode of transport to college by the 1980s...Too bloody late now for me!:mad:

    Infiltrating someplace with your two hands stuck in a jet engine and with X tens of litres of Jet fuel on your back and no way to reach a weapon until you are on the ground....How about...No thanks!:eek:

    Think you'd need a few of these lads to sort out parts of Dublin these days.terminator-2-future-wars_terminator_feature.jpg

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

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    #4563
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users Posts: 14,946 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    tudderone wrote: »
    The one thing that makes life in this dreary place liveable, the demon drink, is being hiked in price in supermarkets.


    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/cost-alcohol-irish-supermarkets-soar-20523435

    Rotgut, brewed in a bathtub toxic Moonshine..The next criminal enterprise for any budding criminal enterpenur.:eek:

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

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    #4564
    Sharpyshoot
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 452 ✭✭Sharpyshoot


    Cass wrote: »
    This is pretty cool.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suHOLFhbwsM



    Wonder how long until we have this:

    IRON-2008-d7a2706.jpg?quality=90&resize=768,574

    The Kerry folk will think an alien invasion has happened if the next Star Wars movie adopts that to transport them over to skellig island.


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    #4565
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users Posts: 14,946 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    civdef wrote: »
    Does the title block of that site not make you a little suspicious? It’s basically saying “we are totally not a russian stooge outlet- honestly”- on the top of every page.The writing isn’t exactly subtle either- maybe they’re trying a little too hard?

    Saying "Russian...." is almost as boring and meaningless as the hapless Leftist screaming NAZI WASCIST!" when they have no argument left,if ever had one at all.:) Its a hackneyed cliche and just goes to show some people prefer to attack the messenger rather than the message...

    No I just enjoy actually reading a different view of the sheep fodder that passes for "news" on our MSM propaganda outlets here.:) But I'm sure you can provide proof that the above is another Russian plot?If so I'd be glad to see it.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

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    #4566
    civdef
    Registered Users Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭civdef


    It's a bit wierd they feel the need to deny it on their title block though.

    Hey look, if that site floats your boat, happy days.

    When I want to see how the nasty American conservatives are looking at stories I normally go to FOX, most of the time they seem to aim for some sort of reporting standards (I'm not including their editorialists like Carlson in this).


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    #4567
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users Posts: 14,946 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    civdef wrote: »
    It's a bit wierd they feel the need to deny it on their title block though.

    You DO realize thats there for sarcastic humor?:)
    When I want to see how the nasty American conservatives are looking at stories I normally go to FOX, most of the time they seem to aim for some sort of reporting standards (I'm not including their editorialists like Carlson in this)
    .[


    OMG!!! Do you still watch FOX??? Cmon Man! NEWSMAX is where it's at if you want conservative news! Fox is sooo passe since they screwed the pooch with their Nov election pronouncement in AZ.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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    #4568
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users Posts: 14,946 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Don and Joe go back to school... So you can laugh at either of them.:D

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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    #4569
    civdef
    Registered Users Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭civdef


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    You DO realize thats there for sarcastic humor?:)

    .[

    I'm not entirely convinced that whole site isn't a parody tbh....

    OMG!!! Do you still watch FOX??? Cmon Man! NEWSMAX is where it's at if you want conservative news! Fox is sooo passe since they screwed the pooch with their Nov election pronouncement in AZ.

    Ah jaysus, every time I even think about looking at newsmax my commisar puts me in a liberal re-education centre for two weeks.


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    #4570
    Uinseann_16
    Registered Users Posts: 757 ✭✭✭Uinseann_16


    Richard308 wrote: »
    So you’re happy for private citizens legally entitled to own guns to sell them to persons convicted of felonies?

    That's illegal , it's called a straw purchase and it's legislated for...
    A registry is not needed nor should it happen
    There weren't these problems in the 50s when you could still mail order guns
    People just need to mind their own businesses and not worry about what others are or aren't doing , and the government (the US ours and the EU for that sake)needs to understand that they are representatives of the people not their rulers


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    #4571
    Uinseann_16
    Registered Users Posts: 757 ✭✭✭Uinseann_16


    Rows Grower wrote: »
    I'd imagine it would be extremely likely the serial number would not be left on a firearm intended to be used in a crime which could mean jail for life.

    The defacing or removal of serial numbers is another offense as well
    These things are already illegal


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    #4572
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users Posts: 7,864 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Uinseann_16 wrote: »
    The defacing or removal of serial numbers is another offense as well
    These things are already illegal

    Thanks for taking the time to research that but everyone else would already be aware of it.

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    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    #4573
    Richard308
    Registered Users Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭Richard308


    Uinseann_16 wrote: »
    That's illegal , it's called a straw purchase and it's legislated for...
    A registry is not needed nor should it happen
    There weren't these problems in the 50s when you could still mail order guns
    People just need to mind their own businesses and not worry about what others are or aren't doing , and the government (the US ours and the EU for that sake)needs to understand that they are representatives of the people not their rulers

    Well according to the atf most illegally obtained guns are through straw purchases not stolen. Who would have guessed criminals would ignore the law at risk of prison.
    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html

    This is just a discussion, a sounding board as such I’m not telling Europeans or Americans how to run their countries.

    I agree politicians are there to represent us not rule us. But with this minimum alcohol price on alcohol another case of punish the majority to protect the few. I rarely drink, but now I’ve to pay more because some people drink to excess.


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    #4574
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users Posts: 14,946 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Richard308 wrote: »
    Well according to the atf most illegally obtained guns are through straw purchases not stolen. Who would have guessed criminals would ignore the law at risk of prison.
    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html

    This is just a discussion, a sounding board as such I’m not telling Europeans or Americans how to run their countries.

    I agree politicians are there to represent us not rule us. But with this minimum alcohol price on alcohol another case of punishing the majority to protect the few. I rarely drink, but now I’ve to pay more because some people drink to excess.

    Yes, it's called collective punishment of a group. We are very much into that in the Western world in our justice systems. Some more than others as we can see with gun bans in most if not all where England once ruled countries.

    Maybe we should give every safe driver an insurance loading to make up for the dangerous drivers amongst us as well to cut down on road accidents? Its the same logic as increasing the booze prices or a central gun registry in the US or EU. Which is the NEXT thing being pushed for by the benevolent and all caring state of the EU.:mad:

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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    #4575
    Richard308
    Registered Users Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭Richard308


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Yes, it's called collective punishment of a group. We are very much into that in the Western world in our justice systems. Some more than others as we can see with gun bans in most if not all where England once ruled countries.

    Maybe we should give every safe driver an insurance loading to make up for the dangerous drivers amongst us as well to cut down on road accidents? Its the same logic as increasing the booze prices or a central gun registry in the US or EU. Which is the NEXT thing being pushed for by the benevolent and all caring state of the EU.:mad:

    I agree with a lot of that. But the booze prices hit people in the pocket. The firearms registry shouldn’t (and yes we could argue you who will pay for the pen pushers and other associated costs) let’s say it’s not costing law abiding people nothing only to register the gun when purchased. I don’t think it’s a ploy by the deep state to grab guns off people(you can argue that’s exactly what it is. But let’s assume it’s not) Americans happy enough to pay suppressor taxes and register those. Do you not think it would be a worthwhile exercise to stop guns ending up in the wrong hands?


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    #4576
    otmmyboy2
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    2 points.
    Richard308 wrote: »
    I don’t think it’s a ploy by the deep state to grab guns off people(you can argue that’s exactly what it is. But let’s assume it’s not)

    Well considering that the gun registry in Canada was scrapped after it was found to be useless, and no gun registry of any kind can actually prevent a crime, only trace it after the fact at best, and even that is questionable, I don't see the point of a registry apart from the state knowing where firearms are for a potential seizure/restriction. IE the temporary custody business here. If the state knows where all the firearms are that will certainly aid compliance with any firearms law changes.
    Americans happy enough to pay suppressor taxes and register those.

    Much like here with everything firearm related it isn't exactly much of a choice.
    Staying within a system simply because the alternative is not having anything that is registered or doing so illegally does not mean you are happy or agree with that system.

    I think if you poll any american who has a tax stamp and ask would they prefer not to have to go through the process to get it and register the item they would most definitely prefer not too.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



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    #4577
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users Posts: 7,864 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    otmmyboy2 wrote: »
    2 points.



    Well considering that the gun registry in Canada was scrapped after it was found to be useless, and no gun registry of any kind can actually prevent a crime, only trace it after the fact at best, and even that is questionable, I don't see the point of a registry apart from the state knowing where firearms are for a potential seizure/restriction. IE the temporary custody business here. If the state knows where all the firearms are that will certainly aid compliance with any firearms law changes.



    Much like here with everything firearm related it isn't exactly much of a choice.
    Staying within a system simply because the alternative is not having anything that is registered or doing so illegally does not mean you are happy or agree with that system.

    I think if you poll any american who has a tax stamp and ask would they prefer not to have to go through the process to get it and register the item they would most definitely prefer not too.

    Wouldn't that obviously prevent the same firearm being used in another crime?

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    #4578
    Cass
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,452 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    otmmyboy2 wrote: »
    ..... and no gun registry of any kind can actually prevent a crime, only trace it after the fact at best,
    Rows Grower wrote: »
    Wouldn't that obviously prevent the same firearm being used in another crime?
    Only if the gun were recovered.
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    #4579
    otmmyboy2
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    Rows Grower wrote: »
    Wouldn't that obviously prevent the same firearm being used in another crime?

    Cass beat me to it. ;)

    Also presuming that the firearm in question hasn't had it's serials removed.

    I know that just marring them is not enough these days but on a lot of firearms, depending on the design, the serial being on the receiver(the part that is legally the firearm over there) can be entirely removed/milled out, leaving zero trace of identifying marks.

    Finally given the relative ease of acquiring barrels etc a single firearm can be used in a multitude of crimes and largely be untraceable if the barrel is disposed of and the firearm is not located at the scene.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



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    #4580
    Cass
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,452 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Same goes for ballistic testing.

    We spoke about this some time back. The CSI effect has caused people to believe all sorts but the short version is under controlled testing where the guns were a known quantity, the ammo was known, and they knew which gun fired what bullet they could only definitely match the bullet to the gun 60% of the time.

    When they moved to blind testing that figure dropped below 20%, and when they continued testing the same ammo in the same gun characteristics of the markings on the bullet changed over time so the match that was at 60% dropped.

    I believe, and i'll search for it, that some police departments spent tens of millions over the course of a decade trying to use this and it was such a failure they eventually dropped the program.
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    #4581
    Richard308
    Registered Users Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭Richard308


    otmmyboy2 wrote: »
    Cass beat me to it. ;)

    Also presuming that the firearm in question hasn't had it's serials removed.

    I know that just marring them is not enough these days but on a lot of firearms, depending on the design, the serial being on the receiver(the part that is legally the firearm over there) can be entirely removed/milled out, leaving zero trace of identifying marks.

    Finally given the relative ease of acquiring barrels etc a single firearm can be used in a multitude of crimes and largely be untraceable if the barrel is disposed of and the firearm is not located at the scene.

    Serial numbers are recoverable through chemical processes as outlined by someone earlier.

    It will stop some people doing straw purchases.

    19223 died in the USA through guns in 2020. Probably suicide and justifiable homicide included in that.
    But easy availability of firearms is probably greatest factor in those deaths. That’s everyone in letterkenny dying through firearms. I know there is 325 million of them. But it’s still 19223 people. Mother’s fathers, daughters, sons, wives husbands. And yes there is a certain amount of undesirables included in that figure. But licence the person to be legal to have as many guns as they want and whatever type they want. Just log on say you know own skorpion or whatever. But you let them know when you sell it.

    It 110% will reduce amount of straw purchases. It will not stop them. Like registering a car to you in Ireland. Not an onerous task on anyone.


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    #4582
    otmmyboy2
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    Richard308 wrote: »
    Serial numbers are recoverable through chemical processes as outlined by someone earlier.

    If this is the post you mean it does not cover actually removed material that the serial was on:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=117077884&postcount=4657

    IE here you could mill an the entire section the serial is on:
    80ANO-SERIAL-ENG-2T.jpg
    It will stop some people doing straw purchases.

    How? The prosecution would have to prove that the original buyer knew the purchaser was a criminal and therefore prohibited from owning firearms.
    Knowing being the problem there.
    19223 died in the USA through guns in 2020. Probably suicide and justifiable homicide included in that.
    But easy availability of firearms is probably greatest factor in those deaths. That’s everyone in letterkenny dying through firearms. I know there is 325 million of them. But it’s still 19223 people. Mother’s fathers, daughters, sons, wives husbands. And yes there is a certain amount of undesirables included in that figure. But licence the person to be legal to have as many guns as they want and whatever type they want. Just log on say you know own skorpion or whatever. But you let them know when you sell it.

    That number would have to include everything, firearm accidents, gang killings, suicides, self defence shootings, etc.
    Not that a registry would change the vast majority of those.
    It 110% will reduce amount of straw purchases. It will not stop them. Like registering a car to you in Ireland. Not an onerous task on anyone.

    Except that the state then know exactly where to find your car if you don't tax it.
    Y'know, for your safety. :P

    I cannot see any free states implementing a registry, even the unfree one's registry's are an utter hames and they tend to have higher gun crime rates than the free ones.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



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    #4583
    otmmyboy2
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    Anyone seen this:
    New Zealand fires nine border workers who refused Covid vaccine.

    So much for that non compulsory vaccine in NZ.

    I know there are some here who think that people not getting the vaccine should have consequences for such, I'm wondering in this case are they ok with those consequences including losing their jobs.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



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    #4584
    tudderone
    Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Good channel :D


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK2EIaVlWQM



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhSf4MBemdg


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    #4585
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,113 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Uinseann_16 wrote: »
    That's illegal , it's called a straw purchase and it's legislated for...
    A straw purchase is buying something (firearm, ammo, alcohol, groceries) for somebody else. That’s all it means.
    Doing so at a firearm dealership is prohibited under federal law as it’s illegal to lie on form ATF Form 4473.

    Selling a firearm to somebody is not a straw purchase. But as Grizzly pointed out knowingly selling to a felon is also illegal. Again, knowingly being the key word.
    The question is how would they know? There’s no background check required for private sales in the majority of US states. So Johnny felon can go up a stranger, buy a gun with no questions asked.

    Saying felon purchases are prevented under legislation is clearly incorrect.
    It sounds like you agree with demons being excluded. Seems silly to ignore the above obvious loophole/flaw in the system.


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    #4586
    otmmyboy2
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    Mellor wrote: »
    A straw purchase is buying something (firearm, ammo, alcohol, groceries) for somebody else. That’s all it means.
    Doing so at a firearm dealership is prohibited under federal law as it’s illegal to lie on form ATF Form 4473.

    Selling a firearm to somebody is not a straw purchase. But as Grizzly pointed out knowingly selling to a felon is also illegal. Again, knowingly being the key word.
    The question is how would they know? There’s no background check required for private sales in the majority of US states. So Johnny felon can go up a stranger, buy a gun with no questions asked.

    A lot of folks will actually do the transfer through an FFL or ask to see a CCW or similar to verify the buyer is not prohibited, but the onus is on the individual.
    Saying felon purchases are prevented under legislation is clearly incorrect.

    Well considering that they are prevented under legislation is actually correct, as you specified, but just when dealing with FFLs as that is federal law.

    A lot of states have played around with straw purchase laws but they tend to be sufficiently far reaching that if I were to go off and buy a firearm for my wife as a present I am knowingly buying a firearm for someone else, and thus a straw purchaser, regardless of whether it is legal for my wife to own firearms.

    Not exactly purchasing for gang members or felons.

    Thus there are often exemptions for family members, CCW holders, etc, but that doesn't help straw purchasing since it is done within families too.

    I don't think there is a piece of legislation that could be written that would accomplish preventing straw purchases while allowing the legal selling/giving away of firearms privately and not having a registry of firearms & owners which could aid potential future confiscation efforts.

    I do think compromise might be reached, but it'd have to be a major concession, like shuttering NFA registry and allowing all previously NFA items to be purchased like all other new firearms, with a background check from an FFL.

    But realistically both sides are sufficiently entrenched that they aren't going to give any ground and thus stalemate. :P

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



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    #4587
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users Posts: 14,946 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Richard308 wrote: »
    Serial numbers are recoverable through chemical processes as outlined by someone earlier.

    It will stop some people doing straw purchases.
    19223 died in the USA through guns in 2020. Probably suicide and justifiable homicide included in that.
    But easy availability of firearms is probably greatest factor in those deaths. That’s everyone in letterkenny dying through firearms. I know there is 325 million of them. But it’s still 19223 people. Mother’s fathers, daughters, sons, wives husbands. And yes there is a certain amount of undesirables included in that figure.


    Is that ALL??? With close to half a billion guns in the US with 370 million people,thats a pretttyyyy negible figure in everything considered.

    Going by the CDC heart disease and cancer are the top 2 of the annual killing things in the US.Suicide and self-harm rates number 10.
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm

    Other things that kill Americans more than guns,DUI accidents, falling down stairs, accidents with domestic tools, choking on food, medical malpractice,

    Yes firearms might be the most used in the US,but if you then compare it to the UK, hanging is the most common method and second most common in the US. So it simply means those who want to off themselves will go and use the next available item...Do we now start a register of everyone who owns ropes,wires,flexes etc,or build high walls on the cliffs of Moher and fence off all water supplies over 3ins depth in case anyone wants to do themselves in?https://lostallhope.com/suicide-statistics/us-methods-suicide

    It 110% will reduce amount of straw purchases. It will not stop them. Like registering a car to you in Ireland. Not an onerous task on anyone.

    Maybe they just consider looking at the UK and Europe and history that Registration leads to Confiscation?
    110 years ago the UK had a more liberal gun ownership than the US believe it or not. That started to fall apart when licensing for handguns came in in 1923.
    100 years later, which is a short time in reality...Britan is the most anal anti gun and police state you wouldn't want to visit. People are comparing it to "the PRC lite" these days.

    There should be now 12 words that should terrify anyone "I'm from the govt and i'm here to help" and the start of a sentence with "It's just..." Its just 14 days to flatten the curve...Its just a mask...Its just a vaccination. It's just gun registration,of a particular type,all types, It's just a gun buyback, It's just a badge, its just a train trip to a "holiday camp"its just a shower...

    How about these words "No thanks and Fk off!" with any of those ideas in the US or anywhere else?

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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    #4588
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users Posts: 14,946 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    otmmyboy2 wrote: »

    I do think compromise might be reached, but it'd have to be a major concession, like shuttering NFA registry and allowing all previously NFA items to be purchased like all other new firearms, with a background check from an FFL.

    But realistically both sides are sufficiently entrenched that they aren't going to give any ground and thus stalemate. :P

    Name me ONE piece of legislation or event in the US or elsewhere where the anti-gun side"compromised" and gave us something back??? NEVER is the answer!

    We are perpetually compromising and losing ground.So this is why people are entrenched on the pro-gun side, and it has come to the point that people have said Enough and that there is no more compromising on this "commonsense gun control "propaganda.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    As much as I hate to agree with Grizz :) compromise only goes one way, and that's in favour of the State. It's just take, take and more take. Death by a thousand cuts.

    I used to think gun owners could compromise but all I see is chip, chip, chip at our sport and hobby.

    I absolutely now understand the NRA attitude of not giving an inch, even if it's a sensible proposal. It just encourages the State to push the boundary further against gun owners.


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    otmmyboy2
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Name me ONE piece of legislation or event in the US or elsewhere where the anti-gun side"compromised" and gave us something back??? NEVER is the answer!

    We are perpetually compromising and losing ground.So this is why people are entrenched on the pro-gun side, and it has come to the point that people have said Enough and that there is no more compromising on this "commonsense gun control "propaganda.

    Preaching to the converted, which I why I mentioned stalemate in the final paragraph ;)
    BattleCorp wrote: »
    As much as I hate to agree with Grizz :) compromise only goes one way, and that's in favour of the State. It's just take, take and more take. Death by a thousand cuts.

    I used to think gun owners could compromise but all I see is chip, chip, chip at our sport and hobby.

    I absolutely now understand the NRA attitude of not giving an inch, even if it's a sensible proposal. It just encourages the State to push the boundary further against gun owners.

    Man I don't think the NRA is anywhere near as progun as most people think.

    Now the second amendment foundation, firearms policy coalition, etc, those are the chaps who would get my dues were I in the US.

    They are the truly "no more" crowd and actively fight and legislate to get current gun control laws repealed, often successfully too.

    Unlike the NRA hanging their members out to dry on certain matters like bump stocks, etc.
    Bit like a certain big org here, only cares about the fuddier aspects of shooting ;)

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



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    tudderone
    Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    If banning things works, why don't we ban Heroin, cocaine, cannibis etc, it would solve everything......................................Oh wait..............


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