Off Topic Chat. (MOD NOTE post# 3949 and post#5279)

civdef · 03-05-2021 1:53pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Did anyone else hear about a recent celebration being held in Dublin to honour some Rabbi from the 2nd Century? Apparently it was the biggest gathering all year. Funny how Catholics are banned from mass but Jews and Muslims can throw a party scot free.

So is there any evidence for this happening, or just rumours saying "Jews and Muslims" get special treatment?

Munsterlad102 · 03-05-2021 2:05pm

otmmyboy2 wrote: »

Sadly no longer. Even the British are subject to the EU deactivation standard, and they are starting to register them too.

Ah yes, I was referring to Brits being allowed to license handguns for collecting. I wasn't very clear in my post so apologies. Still, it's a shame we have to destroy such historical pieces.

tudderone · 03-05-2021 3:11pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Ah yes, I was referring to Brits being allowed to license handguns for collecting. I wasn't very clear in my post so apologies. Still, it's a shame we have to destroy such historical pieces.

Comes with all sorts of conditions, you cannot keep it at home, it must be kept at a secure facility, and you can only shoot it under supervision and so many times a year. Better than nothing i suppose.

Mellor · 03-05-2021 3:33pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

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One would hope so after THREE major accidents:eek:[Leningrad, Srvedlosk and Cherynobyl] in the Soviet Union that they finally got it right.:)

Not familiar with the details behind Srvedlosk. But Leningrad and Chernobyl were caused by human error, rather the the technological error.
And both were pretty massive cases of gross incompetence from what I seen.

Rows Grower · 03-05-2021 3:42pm

An interesting piece from the New York Times about social unrest in America....

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/01/us/the-order-proud-boys-oath-keepers-far-right.html?referringSource=articleShare

Munsterlad102 · 03-05-2021 4:19pm

tudderone wrote: »

Comes with all sorts of conditions, you cannot keep it at home, it must be kept at a secure facility, and you can only shoot it under supervision and so many times a year. Better than nothing i suppose.

Yeah, it falls under section 7 of their firearms act or so I'm told. Apparently you can keep it at home if you don't shoot it which is grand.

Grizzly 45 · 03-05-2021 4:22pm

My mistake on Sverdlovsk,it was a biowarfare lab accident rather than nuke.

As for the other two gross incompetence definitely from the designs,to administration to dealing with it and trying to hush them up. Something rather similar with our attitude to disasters and causing them here.

tudderone · 03-05-2021 4:24pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Yeah, it falls under section 7 of their firearms act or so I'm told. Apparently you can keep it at home if you don't shoot it which is grand.

The only live pistol you can keep at home, apart from those stupid long barrel pistols and muzzle loaders, are pistols which chamber obsolete ammunition. There is a list of obsolete rounds and if your pistol is chambered for one, you can have it.

I have heard of quite a lot of stalkers getting single or double shot pistols for humane dispatch though.

Munsterlad102 · 03-05-2021 4:28pm

Rows Grower wrote: »

An interesting piece from the New York Times about social unrest in America....

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/01/us/the-order-proud-boys-oath-keepers-far-right.html?referringSource=articleShare

Hmm, there's something missing from this article but I can't quite put my finger on it.

Grizzly 45 · 03-05-2021 4:29pm

tudderone wrote: »

Comes with all sorts of conditions, you cannot keep it at home, it must be kept at a secure facility, and you can only shoot it under supervision and so many times a year. Better than nothing i suppose.

You want to be a tweedy jacket with leather patches wearing,pipe-smoking beardie well up on the five German lads who made the firing pins for that particular model and serial number on any given afternoon in May 1900, before you get any sort of a chance to fire the 10 allocated rounds per annum by the massive club of Fudds [AKA the UK NRA], on the holy grounds of Bisley once a year.:rolleyes: And then you still be considered some sort of radical cad type for having an intrest in those confounded handguns from what I've heard about those collectors or whatnot in the UK.:eek:

Munsterlad102 · 03-05-2021 4:32pm

tudderone wrote: »

The only live pistol you can keep at home, apart from those stupid long barrel pistols and muzzle loaders, are pistols which chamber obsolete ammunition. There is a list of obsolete rounds and if your pistol is chambered for one, you can have it.

I have heard of quite a lot of stalkers getting single or double shot pistols for humane dispatch though.

I think you can have pistols from before 1919 or pistols of historical significance at home, licensed of course. English Shooting made a video on them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1WbpwuQ5wk&t=375s

tudderone · 03-05-2021 4:34pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

You want to be a tweedy jacket with leather patches wearing,pipe-smoking beardie well up on the five German lads who made the firing pins for that particular model and serial number on any given afternoon in May 1900, before you get any sort of a chance to fire the 10 allocated rounds per annum by the massive club of Fudds [AKA the UK NRA], on the holy grounds of Bisley once a year.:rolleyes: And then you still be considered some sort of radical cad type for having an intrest in those confounded handguns from what I've heard about those collectors or whatnot in the UK.:eek:

Oh we have fudds aplenty here too Grizz, believe me, i've met them. If shooting was in their hands, i'd jack it in and take up tiddley-winks.

Grizzly 45 · 03-05-2021 4:37pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Hmm, there's something missing from this article but I can't quite put my finger on it.

Proof of writer's claims perhaps?:rolleyes:
Factual reporting perhaps? IE "MAC10 semiauto gun":rolleyes:

Grizzly 45 · 03-05-2021 4:40pm

tudderone wrote: »

Oh we have fudds aplenty here too Grizz, believe me, i've met them. If shooting was in their hands, i'd jack it in and take up tiddley-winks.

Fortunately a dying[literal] breed here,and TBH not as bad as in the UK or elsewhere. More worrisome are here the Gombeens and Judases who would sell out their own for a quick buck or for a simpering fools place at the ministerial table to be told what will be removed next from their gun cabinet and like it.:rolleyes:

Munsterlad102 · 03-05-2021 4:42pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Proof of writer's claims perhaps?:rolleyes:
Factual reporting perhaps? IE "MAC10 semiauto gun":rolleyes:

Quite possible, or maybe it was lying through omission by failing to mention the BLM LGBTQ[insert more letters here] mob?:eek::eek:

Grizzly 45 · 03-05-2021 4:45pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

I think you can have pistols from before 1919 or pistols of historical significance at home, licensed of course. English Shooting made a video on them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1WbpwuQ5wk&t=375s

Not anymore... There was an outbreak of criminals using antique and obscure calibre handguns to do each other in so the HO shut that down as well.:mad:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/circular-0012021-antique-firearms/circular-0012021-antique-firearms-regulations-2021-and-the-policing-and-crime-act-2017-commencement-no11-and-transitional-provisions-regulations

civdef · 03-05-2021 4:45pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Proof of writer's claims perhaps?:rolleyes:
Factual reporting perhaps? IE "MAC10 semiauto gun":rolleyes:

There was a semi-auto Mac-10 I think? wasn't there an issue about open or closed bolts and a ATF ruling that changed on them?

tudderone · 03-05-2021 4:47pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

I think you can have pistols from before 1919 or pistols of historical significance at home, licensed of course. English Shooting made a video on them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1WbpwuQ5wk&t=375s

I know a few lads in the UK who shoot, and they simply couldn't be bothered with all that. It is just easier to go to France or Spain and shoot there. But at least in the UK they can still shoot things we cannot, such as Cowboy action shooting (looks a lot of fun) or practical shotgun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYF15rWHLHY

tudderone · 03-05-2021 4:49pm

civdef wrote: »

There was a semi-auto Mac-10 I think? wasn't there an issue about open or closed bolts and a ATF ruling that changed on them?

Bloody pointless thing no matter if it was semi or full auto.

Munsterlad102 · 03-05-2021 4:52pm

tudderone wrote: »

I know a few lads in the UK who shoot, and they simply couldn't be bothered with all that. It is just easier to go to France or Spain and shoot there. But at least in the UK they can still shoot things we cannot, such as Cowboy action shooting (looks a lot of fun) or practical shotgun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYF15rWHLHY

Yeah, or just take a flight up North for the day. I'd love to do some IPSC or some practical shooting, but alas.

Feisar · 03-05-2021 5:01pm

tudderone wrote: »

Bloody pointless thing no matter if it was semi or full auto.

Spray and pray!

Grizzly 45 · 03-05-2021 5:02pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Quite possible, or maybe it was lying through omission by failing to mention the BLM LGBTQ[insert more letters here] mob?:eek::eek:

Cmon Man! THAT doesn't fit the agenda...esp for a liberal paper like the NYT.
I mean "mostly peaceful" demonstrations are what the BLM ANTIFA goons engage in. Despite Antifa being declared a terrorist organization by the Feds 4 years ago. So you have Domestic terrorists of both Left/Right in the US...Same difference, they are both assh&&es that believe in violence and Fascism or Communism. So I'd gladly piss from a great height on all 3groupings:mad:

What this NYT "journalist " tried to do is link Oath keepers[retired and active US armed forces and police and others who take their oath of allegiance to the constitution seriously to protect it from all enemies foreign and domestic...[Unlike the last 3 Democrat presidents and their lackeys] as lifelong and not something you forget when you retire with the demonstration on Capitol Hill and failed miserably with comparing it to a long defunct Neo Nazi network.

tudderone · 03-05-2021 5:06pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Cmon Man! THAT doesn't fit the agenda...esp for a liberal paper like the NYT.
I mean "mostly peaceful" demonstrations are what the BLM ANTIFA goons engage in. Despite Antifa being declared a terrorist organization by the Feds 4 years ago. So you have Domestic terrorists of both Left/Right in the US...Same difference, they are both assh&&es that believe in violence and Fascism or Communism. So I'd gladly piss from a great height on all 3groupings:mad:

What this NYT "journalist " tried to do is link Oath keepers[retired and active US armed forces and police and others who take their oath of allegiance to the constitution seriously to protect it from all enemies foreign and domestic...[Unlike the last 3 Democrat presidents and their lackeys] as lifelong and not something you forget when you retire with the demonstration on Capitol Hill and failed miserably with comparing it to a long defunct Neo Nazi network.

Did you ever notice that the communist Ussr looked pretty much the same as Hitlers Germany ? One lunatic running things to suit themselves ?

Munsterlad102 · 03-05-2021 5:20pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

failed miserably with comparing it to a long defunct Neo Nazi network.

Yeah, they're really clutching at straws comparing the Proud Boys with their Mexican leader, to a White Supremacist group from the 80s.

Grizzly 45 · 03-05-2021 5:44pm

civdef wrote: »

There was a semi-auto Mac-10 I think? wasn't there an issue about open or closed bolts and a ATF ruling that changed on them?

MAC10 " is a generic common usage term like describing any 4WD as a "jeep"

The one that shot Alan Berg was a illegally converted SWD/ Cobray/RPB copy of the original Military Armament Company [MAC] of Ingram fame.

Its kind of complex the history of the Ingram MAC[ill refer to the copies in small "mac"]

1964 Gordon Ingram founds in Georgia Military Small Arms Company[MAC} to sell his two designs the MAC 10 and MAC11 45ACP and 9mm respectively both are select-fire models,as well as his partners Mitch Werbell mk3 Sionics 2stage suppressor. Later they produce the .380 version of the MAC11 in a select fire.
MAC goes bankrupt in the mid-1970s as orders internationally get cancelled and the US prohibition of exporting silencers [the better seller of the gun]

The tooling and the logo and rights to make the "Ingram design" passes thru multiple companies in the 80s and 90s. along the way SWD made the "Mac 11/9" the "stretched 9mm version often seen used in all good 80s TV shows, quite alot in Miami Vice:P] As the 1981 drug war took off the ATF were confiscating these guns aplenty as they were cheap and cheerful easily converted bullet hoses...
SWD was the original purchaser of the MAC tooling and half-completed guns so some are stamped SWD and MAC to add to the confusion You then have RPB,Leinad and Vulcan armament making copies of the design.[There even was a UK version made by Section 5 firearms in Kent s that fell thru]
These were all Semi Auto OPEN bolt designs.

The gun design fell foul of BATF in the and the Mc Clure Voklmer act as being an open bolt design and being too easily converted to select fire. So RPB industries took over and redesigned it to a CLOSED bolt They produced all four variants in a PISTOL version only,as adding the wire stock made them Short Barrelled Rifles and subject to Fed tx stamps and licensing

Then the assault weapons ban of 1994 hit and pretty much finished it off as a commercial entity altogether. They are fun little albeit awkward pistols and more fun in bullet hose and suppressor configuration.

Grizzly 45 · 03-05-2021 5:49pm

tudderone wrote: »

Did you ever notice that the communist Ussr looked pretty much the same as Hitlers Germany ? One lunatic running things to suit themselves ?

The only real difference is Nazism allowed corporate and private industry in its society. Socialism and Communism leave everything in the hands of the workers... Two sides of a VERY bad coin my fam had the misfortune of experiencing in the 30s and beyond.

Rows Grower · 03-05-2021 6:44pm

Wonderful to see a great sportsman like Frankie bouncing back better than ever, tough times don't last tough people do......

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/frankie-sheahan-redesigns-his-pendulum-event-with-tony-robbins-launch-1120842.html

Grizzly 45 · 04-05-2021 12:00pm

Good man there yourself Joe! No one is going to pay any tax if you are making under 400K PA!!!:eek::eek::D:D:D America is gonna hold you to that!. Made hinmself as famous now as GB Snr "Read my lips!... NO new taxes! statement.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/another-biden-flub-anybody-making-less-400000-year-will-not-pay-single-penny-taxes-video/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=the-gateway-pundit&utm_campaign=dailypm&utm_content=daily

civdef · 04-05-2021 3:15pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Good man there yourself Joe! No one is going to pay any tax if you are making under 400K PA!!!:eek::eek::D:D:D America is gonna hold you to that!. Made hinmself as famous now as GB Snr "Read my lips!... NO new taxes! statement.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/another-biden-flub-anybody-making-less-400000-year-will-not-pay-single-penny-taxes-video/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=the-gateway-pundit&utm_campaign=dailypm&utm_content=daily

Does the title block of that site not make you a little suspicious? It’s basically saying “we are totally not a russian stooge outlet- honestly”- on the top of every page.The writing isn’t exactly subtle either- maybe they’re trying a little too hard?

Munsterlad102 · 04-05-2021 3:34pm

civdef wrote: »

Does the title block of that site not make you a little suspicious? It’s basically saying “we are totally not a russian stooge outlet- honestly”- on the top of every page.The writing isn’t exactly subtle either- maybe they’re trying a little too hard?

To be fair, the right accuses the left of lying and they reject the Russia conspiracy theory so it's not like they're saying anything unrelated.

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