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Cass · 30-04-2021 2:32pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Or more like,be very careful of old surplus ammo that you have no idea of its provenance.

Or just old ammo. If i reloaded for a match and didn't fire the ammo within "X" amount of months i'd strip them down and start again. Now that is being overly cautious but reloading was new to me at the time.

Mellor · 30-04-2021 3:32pm

Cass wrote: »

Thats what he said, that the cap/rifle to have failed in such a way would have required over 85k. So if it failed like that then it had to be 85+k.

It was, according to the video. My point was he should have checked before firing.

I’m not in any way familiar with 50cal or SLAPs.
But what I was getting at was, if 50cal is proofed to 65k, service pressure is 55k. These rounds, even as reloads, SLAPs, etc should never have existed at 85k. So even if he checked, there wasn’t going to be an indication that they were loaded hot.

Blinding white flash, then darkness. I had my eyes closed at this point. First thing i done was felt my face, you know, for the bolt, and when i felt nothing buy skin and fat i quickly started to "settle". I couldn't open my eye for a few hours, the sensation was like sand in it.

I had peppering of my face from the carbon of the round and redness but no cuts or open wounds. I applied eye wash and a patch. Changed this every few hours for a few days. My eyesight was unaffected but for days i had blurred vision so bad i could only see colours/light. It took a week to get shapes back and then another week to get focus.

Was blessed the bolt held and the guns' safety features done their job. It was also factory ammo which is no where near as hot as reloaded (was breaking in the barrel rather than testing loads).

Odd part is the first shot went off without a hitch, but obviously exaggerated the issue so when the second shot came, likethe guy in the video, it failed.

Sounds like a scary few weeks. So much for quality control. I’d have lost it with whoever caused it.

Cass · 30-04-2021 4:31pm

Mellor wrote: »

These rounds, even as reloads, SLAPs, etc should never have existed at 85k. So even if he checked, there wasn’t going to be an indication that they were loaded hot.

But some other gun might be able to shoot them safely. So if they were loaded for another brand/make that was safe it should never have been fired in his rifle unless he knew.

As for not knowing before firing he could have split a round and checked the load, seating depth, etc. There is no way you'd do this for normal, factory or your own loaded rounds, but ones you found hard to get and were not sure of, i wouldn't. Also he fired a couple of rounds before the failure. He never checked the case for pressure signs, instead opting to pull the case out and throw it, immediately, to the ground. Again poor etiquette given the muzzle flash and other indicators of high pressure.

Sounds like a scary few weeks. So much for quality control. I’d have lost it with whoever caused it.

I wasn't best pleased, but once the pot herbs settled i was much calmer, and possibly a little more understanding. Still had a nervous tick for a while and testing ammo was problematic for a while after (even factory ammo) as i leaned to the side when firing. Got over it after a short while.

I keep it in a draw here. Some pics, you'll see it suffered almost complete case head separation.

civdef · 30-04-2021 4:59pm

It’s easy forget sometimes we’re setting off pretty strong explosions beside our heads with this stuff.

Grizzly 45 · 30-04-2021 9:21pm

Sabot Light Armour Penetrator rounds [SLAP] are prohibited from use in the US army's M107 [aka Barret 50 sniper rifle] .So this might also have had something to do with it?
A few pieces fit here as well .

Unfortunately, it does not fire accurately through bolt-action sniper rifles and is prohibited from being fired through the M107.
"The downside is that the SLAP round is not compatible with some rifles because its greater length will not allow it to chamber or can cause damage to the throat. I've also heard stories of plastic sabot bits gumming up muzzle brakes or being blown back on spotters. The bottom line: before firing SLAP ammo in your rifle, know for certain that it fits your chamber and is not a hazard to fire." - The Ultimate Sniper.

tudderone · 30-04-2021 10:09pm

civdef wrote: »

It’s easy forget sometimes we’re setting off pretty strong explosions beside our heads with this stuff.

Thats basically it.

Cass · 30-04-2021 10:51pm

civdef wrote: »

It’s easy forget sometimes we’re setting off pretty strong explosions beside our heads with this stuff.

That little incident reminded me very quickly what kinds of pressure were inches from my face.

civdef · 30-04-2021 11:39pm

Great video by Forgotten Weapons on the kaboom topic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71OGayW7CnI

otmmyboy2 · 01-05-2021 12:38am

Unrelated to the 50 cal kaboom, but interesting nonetheless:

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/74eb0-minister-mcentee-publishes-general-scheme-of-landmark-policing-security-and-community-safety-bill/

Wonder what provisions will be changed with regards to firearms & licencing.
I have heard rumblings resurface recently that licencing may be moving from the hands of S/CS to a centralised system, which would be... different :P

Not necessarily good, but interesting...

tudderone · 01-05-2021 12:51am

otmmyboy2 wrote: »

Unrelated to the 50 cal kaboom, but interesting nonetheless:

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/74eb0-minister-mcentee-publishes-general-scheme-of-landmark-policing-security-and-community-safety-bill/

Wonder what provisions will be changed with regards to firearms & licencing.
I have heard rumblings resurface recently that licencing may be moving from the hands of S/CS to a centralised system, which would be... different :P

Not necessarily good, but interesting...

It would stop supers/chief supers with an axe to grind about civilian gun owners being biased towards those owners. We've all met them, i certainly have. It works in a decently run country like Germany. Police give a background check to a centralised office staffed by civilians (hopefully not ex-members of the force) and if all your ducks are in a row, you get your licence.

otmmyboy2 · 01-05-2021 12:57am

tudderone wrote: »

It would stop supers/chief supers with an axe to grind about civilian gun owners being biased towards those owners. We've all met them, i certainly have. It works in a decently run country like Germany. Police give a background check to a centralised office staffed by civilians (hopefully not ex-members of the force) and if all your ducks are in a row, you get your licence.

Indeed, have one of them right now, and the one before that too. :mad:

But in a similar way it'd take the authority away from the decent ones too, double edged sword.

Given that Canada's worst firearms laws & rules tends to migrate over here I suspect that such a system would likely follow theirs.

Central authority which does background checks and issues licences.
Mind you over there and in Germany there is a single licence per person, not as here with one licence per gun per person, so our volume would be drastically higher.

I would like to see if there were some better appeals process than the court system too, but doubt that'll happen in a hurry.

Cass · 01-05-2021 9:51am

otmmyboy2 wrote: »

Wonder what provisions will be changed with regards to firearms & licencing.
I have heard rumblings resurface recently that licencing may be moving from the hands of S/CS to a centralised system, which would be... different :P

Not necessarily good, but interesting...

Don't know about firearms licensing, but after a quick read down about half of that i'm getting a major case of facepalm.

She (Minister McEntee) seems to be trying to copy the American/Canadian and even UK policies of social workers and mental health care workers taking over from roles of AGS on certain matters.

It was floated in New York a few weeks back and in other states with that stupid notion of defund the police that such social workers are better suited to deal with situations instead of the police.

That might be true after the fact but is someone with a drug habit or mental health issues is acting violently or similar i want AGS there, not someone to talk about their feelings.

The below videos shows, and explains the story behind, the same push by celebrities to defund the police and use words even in dangerous situations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esrse9nwf4w

tudderone · 01-05-2021 12:42pm

Reading in the paper today, that the carbon tax is increasing soon. Nearly 90 euro on a fill of home heating oil, and gas prices are increasing too. The price of petrol and diesel is gone up to silly levels too. What is this tax going to fund ? Or is it just to punish people who want to keep warm ?

Rosahane · 01-05-2021 1:17pm

tudderone wrote: »

Reading in the paper today, that the carbon tax is increasing soon. Nearly 90 euro on a fill of home heating oil, and gas prices are increasing too. The price of petrol and diesel is gone up to silly levels too. What is this tax going to fund ? Or is it just to punish people who want to keep warm ?

It's eventually going to fund the production of solar panel components using Chinese slave labour and lots and lots and lots of coal fired electricity!

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/04/12/clean-energy-china-xinjiang-uyghur-labor/

Grizzly 45 · 01-05-2021 6:19pm

otmmyboy2 wrote: »

Inde

I would like to see if there were some better appeals process than the court system too, but doubt that'll happen in a hurry.

Still waiting on that Firearms Arbitration Authority that was proposed by Frannie Fitz,when she was pulling AGS out of the hot coals of the fire of their own making a few years ago.:rolleyes:tHat was supposedly going to be the stop between refusals and the DC..Never happened.

civdef · 01-05-2021 10:12pm

Gunmaker response to the Kentucky Ballistics 50cal blowup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AY6iEVhJE8

Feisar · 01-05-2021 10:43pm

tudderone wrote: »

Reading in the paper today, that the carbon tax is increasing soon. Nearly 90 euro on a fill of home heating oil, and gas prices are increasing too. The price of petrol and diesel is gone up to silly levels too. What is this tax going to fund ? Or is it just to punish people who want to keep warm ?

What the fúck are those cúnts of Greens going to do for those that buy their kerosene by the 5 litres?

Sharpyshoot · 01-05-2021 10:45pm

Feisar wrote: »

What the fúck are those cúnts of Greens going to do for those that buy their kerosene by the 5 litres?

There will be another boom of insulating ones home.

Feisar · 01-05-2021 11:00pm

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

There will be another boom of insulating ones home.

Feckin annoys me to no end. There will be elderly people that’ll sit in the cold because they can’t afford to keep themselves warm. It’s not like there is an alternative available

tudderone · 01-05-2021 11:10pm

Feisar wrote: »

Feckin annoys me to no end. There will be elderly people that’ll sit in the cold because they can’t afford to keep themselves warm. It’s not like there is an alternative available

Oh no, the carbon tax is so you are compelled to use the alternatives.........................buggered if i know what they are, but you are supposed to use them.

tudderone · 01-05-2021 11:12pm

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

There will be another boom of insulating ones home.

We got the house done, walls pumped, extra insulation in the loft and all that rubbish, the house is still cold half an hour after the heating clicks off

Sharpyshoot · 01-05-2021 11:14pm

I wouldn’t be up to speed on supports or help that may be available to elderly people or others. Have you requested help off your local td and councillors?
I feel myself that the elderly are always disadvantaged in relation to the younger society.
If one needs a council house or let’s be posh about it and call it a social house, do they really need it when you see them with a new car parked in the drive?
There really needs to be a shake up on government payees.

tudderone · 01-05-2021 11:15pm

Feisar wrote: »

What the fúck are those cúnts of Greens going to do for those that buy their kerosene by the 5 litres?

Because in the very comfortable dublin 4 fashionable suburbs the greens exist in, things like that don't happen. I hope they get decimated in the next election.

Sharpyshoot · 01-05-2021 11:19pm

tudderone wrote: »

Because in the very comfortable dublin 4 fashionable suburbs the greens exist in, things like that don't happen. I hope they get decimated in the next election.

They don’t need the next election. They have their job done.

tudderone · 01-05-2021 11:28pm

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

They don’t need the next election. They have their job done.

Don't you believe it, there is always the next level of madness. Compulsory veganism or something.

Sharpyshoot · 01-05-2021 11:35pm

tudderone wrote: »

Don't you believe it, there is always the next level of madness. Compulsory veganism or something.

I’d say the greens won’t be in coalition in next election but who knows. If they will be it’s the working man that will be paying once again.

Feisar · 01-05-2021 11:49pm

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

I wouldn’t be up to speed on supports or help that may be available to elderly people or others. Have you requested help off your local td and councillors?
I feel myself that the elderly are always disadvantaged in relation to the younger society.
If one needs a council house or let’s be posh about it and call it a social house, do they really need it when you see them with a new car parked in the drive?
There really needs to be a shake up on government payees.

I'm not quite at that stage myself but it's those that are that these taxes hit.

Help of TDs, are to taking the pistachios? Them lads are there to make up numbers and to give us the faux idea that we live in a democracy.

Council houses... should be there as a helping hand, not a crutch that hobbles people.

Feisar · 01-05-2021 11:57pm

tudderone wrote: »

Don't you believe it, there is always the next level of madness. Compulsory veganism or something.

I'm taking that as a random idea that they may come up with. I'm presuming you meant it in that fashion, it sounds like a mad idea?!? BUT these days yer some kind of phobe if you don't want to have sex with a "woman" with a raging erection in "her" skirt.

tudderone · 02-05-2021 12:19am

Feisar wrote: »

I'm taking that as a random idea that they may come up with. I'm presuming you meant it in that fashion, it sounds like a mad idea?!? BUT these days yer some kind of phobe if you don't want to have sex with a "woman" with a raging erection in "her" skirt.

Partially, Boris Johnson was talking about drastically reducing co2 or something like that recently and it was worked out to meet the claims he made, the average person could only eat meat once a week, and then not a lot of it, and only use 2 spoonfuls of milk a day !

The buses in Dublin and i presume countrywide have full length advertisements telling people to go vegan, not veggie, full on vegan !

So while its a daft claim now, give it a few years and i'd say there would be massive taxes on meat and milk, and like the carbon tax, no one will bat an eyelid or fight against it, because if you did you would be attacked as being worse than Hitler.

Feisar · 02-05-2021 12:25am

tudderone wrote: »

Partially, Boris Johnson was talking about drastically reducing co2 or something like that recently and it was worked out to meet the claims he made, the average person could only eat meat once a week, and then not a lot of it, and only use 2 spoonfuls of milk a day !

The buses in Dublin and i presume countrywide have full length advertisements telling people to go vegan, not veggie, full on vegan !

So while its a daft claim now, give it a few years and i'd say there would be massive taxes on meat and milk, and like the carbon tax, no one will bat an eyelid or fight against it, because if you did you would be attacked as being worse than Hitler.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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