San Francisco 49ers Discussion

Right now depending on which former GM or executive you believe, it's certain to be Jones or Lance or Fields!!

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well it’s going to be one of the three. Look we will just have to see what happens. It’s all we can do but whether by accident or design the niners have created an interest in this years draft.

The confusion was by design - they've repeatedly said they don't want people knowing the pick beforehand, apparently even today the coordinators don't know. Kyle's 'Maybe, probably, but maybe not' from the press conference.

The real question is how much of the media commentary has been purposeful smokescreens or testing for internal leaks. The fact that within a few minutes of the trade all the insiders came out of nowhere that it was for Jones just stinks to me (as someone who unfortunately believes it is McCorkle based on the continued hammering from the media since).

Ian Rappaport reporting the Niners called the Packers on Tuesday! As I said a while ago, that would be my preference today but not going to happen!

adrian522 wrote: »

Trey Lace is now the favourite to go at number 3 !

Rumours of it going from Jones to Lance to Rodgers today is going to make it hurt again if it ends up being Jones.

I thought I'd buried my hopes but they've come back again.

Per drafts the pick ended up being pretty close to a toss up. Very different paths to get there

https://twitter.com/benj_robinson/status/1387898773620367360?s=20

From what Kyle says, I don't believe this was a last minute decision

https://twitter.com/49ers/status/1387960184203485189?s=20

Nearly 24 hours now since the pick and the sense of relief is still there. Always felt Jones didn't make sense from everything we knew about the Shanahan over the last few years but I let the media wear me down. Unsurprisingly, I haven't seen the media put their hands up about being so wrong, especially those who were aggressive towards 49ers fans who didn't just accept the crap they were peddling for a month.

To avoid disappointment I hadn't really let myself fully embrace what Lance could do with Kyle. I know he has things to work on but after having years of Wilson twice a season breaking hearts doing things outside of structure it is going to be amazing to have a player be able to do that for us. Add to that how his running ability should make the team's overall running game even more of a weapon. He is so young too, we could have our QB for the next 15+ years.

adrian522 wrote: »

I'm not as impressed by the draft as a lot seem to be.

I thought they needed to add a starting caliber CB and a slot WR but they didn't do either. I also thought they would have taken a pass rusher at some point but maybe they feel confidence in Ford playing this year.

It seems like they could have got their corner back in round 2 and still got banks in round 3 (or another guard at that point).

Drafting 2 running backs seems strange also, hard to see them all making the team. On the plus side they have really added some depth along the offensive line and in the secondary. I'd expect pass protection to be better next season and always good to have 6 or 7 reliable options on the offensive line.

With the secondary it is hard to know, I don't really think Mosley is good enough, maybe borderline starter but I'd have thought he would be more effective as your first backup. As things stand any injury to Verett, Mosley or Williams leaves them really exposed at that position.

At WR after Samuel and Aiyuk there really isn't much. Maybe they expect Hurd to play or R,ichie James to develop but it seems they are fairly short handed there also.

I think everything you said is valid and concerns warranted but I have a different perspective.

The way the talent and board fell I'm don't believe they had many options when it came to starting quality CBs on the outside. It was deep with nickel guys but the drop off was huge on the outside, especially ones that fit the type for the 49ers scheme. Thomas ticks those boxes and has the upside of dropping due to sitting out (also a kick returner which we've been missing). Getting a starting nickel in the 2nd or 3rd would mean pushing Williams to the bench, so we weren't gaining a starter anyway. We hit that depth spot at nickel later on and Lenoir that has also played outside.

For Edge, like a lot of positions, I think they were happy with who they had unless a guy fell who made them that was great value. We don't really have any spots open right now in that position, even if Ford goes on IR it means beating out Key (who just signed and played 37 NFL games) or Willis (traded for last season and played 7 games). There are also a lot of decent to good FAs still on the market if they need to go that route. For example, if Blair can prove his fitness I'd much rather have him back on a prove it deal than a late round rookie.

We are light on WR but they seem confident on Hurd finally being able to play, James has been decent when used, Sanu was apparently dealing with injuries last season so hopefully won't be the shell he seemed, they still have Jennings who they picked up late in the draft last year and was injured, and they signed Sherfield in FA, who is mostly a special teams guy but apparently 49ers sold themselves to him on getting more of an opportunity at WR. The team also picked up Watkins as an UDFA (cousin of Sammy), who most analysts had being drafted between the 4th and 6th rounds. Again, there are also some FAs out there too, along with guys who teams will be letting go.

Agree on the 2 RBs but they admitted that it wasn't the plan. Both Sermon and Mitchell look perfect fits for different elements of our scheme. Louis Riddick called Mitchell the 'steal of the draft', I can't argue with throwing a 6th round pick at a guy like that when only one player is under contract beyond this coming season, the position is so important to the team, and it would be surprising if all RBs make it through camp without an injury.

myate wrote: »

Jimmy exists!!! He’s done a couple of interviews today! Sounds as always, professional, calm, well spoken, looking forward to playing. This really has the potential to be solid for TL before he takes over.

Wasn't one bit surprised by those comments, throughout his career he has always been such a good guy and a great professional.

Like when Smith left, I'll be willing him to succeed wherever he ends up.

Seems to be a lot of smoke about Sherman coming back to the 9ers - likely from Sherman's camp.

What are people feeling about that? To me it is all about what the cost is, if he is relatively cheap then he'd be good cover and coach for the DBs and Lance. I'd hate it if it was for him to start for starter money. I think the player we saw last year was hampered by injury but he is a liability to get injured again and I don't have faith that he won't get picked on.

On a different tangent altogether, the below makes me more comfortable with our current GM

https://twitter.com/SourdeathSam/status/1390189027123294211?s=20

Week 1 opponents are the Lions in Detroit, 6pm our time! Rest of schedule tonight. Hope it's another east coaster week 2, get two of them over with quickly.

That damn early bye week...at least it's week 6 not 4 like 2019....that season worked out pretty well, so we'll see.
Depending on how things roll, Kyle's plan, how fast TL learns, could be an opportunity to start him after the bye. Personally I rather JG balls out & plays the whole season...but you know he'll be under a microscope & anything more than 1 INT a game, and media/fans will be calling for TL to start, especially if his preseason games go well.

Not good...its only June. Even last week there was a bunch of receivers banged up. The game stuff last year you can understand...but the injuries that are strange are the ones like Hurd last year on the sideline, Wilson Jnr this year.
The other thing thats a bit of an issue is how many players they are signing who are coming off big injuries. I’m all for taking chances on some guys but you see these guys playing and are constantly worried about that acl or what have you.
Only good thing about it happening today is they have time to get replacements in quickly.

Plans are for Jimmy to get one drive and Lance to get the rest of the first half. Can't wait to see what that looks like. Chiefs apparently expected to keep all their starters in for the first quarter so Lance likely to be under a lot of pressure surrounded by backups

Sad for how we got there but delighted to see Lance on the field. He was definitely very uncomfortable but it is all we could expect for him coming in on no notice, with no gameplan tailored to him, and his first real game in nearly 2 years (never near that kind of level).

Even saying that I think we already saw some of the positives he brings that can elevate the team. I don't think it'll be too difficult for Shanahan to scheme things up for him to get to the low level Jimmy has been performing at and I'd rather Lance be out there learning from rookie mistakes than seeing Jimmy do similar as a vet while Lance plays scout team.

Yeah, there doesn't look like an easy path for Jimmy to get back in unless Lance puts in repeated performances like Field's first game or Lance's first drive - where he look completely lost. If Lance does poorly and they lose more games and are out of the playoff picture then they might as well give Lance more reps and if Lance does well then why put Jimmy back in.

The offense was so infuriating during the first half yesterday, it must have been what it was like being an Eagles fan during the first half of the week 2 game. Jimmy is now claiming that he was injured after the first drive but I don't see it as being an excuse - he and the offense have played like that for the majority of the season.

Cards should be sizeable favorites but we could be a banana skin for them - they're coming off a huge win and won't know what to expect from a Lance/Shanahan game plan.