Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

acequion · 25-04-2021 06:07PM

saabsaab wrote: »

What will the neighbours think? I don't really care.

Well actually I do. I remember when the EU/IMF had to come bail us out. When no one else wanted to lend to us. When we had lost our good credit rating. I remember as well how badly it hurt my pocket. But not as badly if we hadn't been able to rely on friendly neighbours.

I also care about how my country is perceived on the world stage. I'd like to be proud of a progressive modern pragmatic country, not a backward thinking hole for lunatics and zealots. Not so long since that is exactly what Ireland was. Seems we're on the way back there.

Del Griffith · 25-04-2021 06:10PM

acequion wrote: »

Have people seen this? :mad:

I really am ashamed to my very boots of this pathetic little country. You can only imagine what people in more enlightened places must think of us.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dutch-national-unable-to-leave-hotel-quarantine-to-fly-home-1.4547028

Jesus christ, how can anyone defend this absolute madness.

The man does not have Covid, ffs.

I love Ireland but I'm honestly finding myself hoping now that it gets destroyed for this, buried in fines and debt and with a devastated economy, the current government and it's supporters deserve it.

Bit cynical · 25-04-2021 06:24PM

acequion wrote: »

Well actually I do. I remember when the EU/IMF had to come bail us out. When no one else wanted to lend to us. When we had lost our good credit rating. I remember as well how badly it hurt my pocket. But not as badly if we hadn't been able to rely on friendly neighbours.

I also care about how my country is perceived on the world stage. I'd like to be proud of a progressive modern pragmatic country, not a backward thinking hole for lunatics and zealots. Not so long since that is exactly what Ireland was. Seems we're on the way back there.

Well the EU/IMF bailout is a bit different in that we were pressured to accept it.

Del Griffith · 25-04-2021 06:33PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Hard to believe that you could really think this.

Its really not. I've no appetite to take the vaccine, not because of some conspiracy but because I'm perfectly healthy and don't need it.

However I'll get it for the sake of hassle free travel.

That's it.

Tenzor07 · 25-04-2021 06:45PM

acequion wrote: »

Have people seen this? :mad:
I really am ashamed to my very boots of this pathetic little country. You can only imagine what people in more enlightened places must think of us.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dutch-national-unable-to-leave-hotel-quarantine-to-fly-home-1.4547028

Just goes to show the level of Karen outrage that has pushed this Govt. into detaining EU citizens in hotels against their will and for no good reason.

I hope the Dutch embassy contact the Govt. to demand his release, and raise a complaint with the EU over this man's detention...

Tenzor07 · 25-04-2021 06:47PM

Wallander wrote: »

It's terribly sad. If he had known about the quarantine, he would have either avoided Ireland at all costs or denied ever being in Belgium. The ignorant and vulnerable are clearly the most likely to get quarantined, which just makes this terrible idea even worse!

The message from Ireland to the EU now seems to be, don't send your CEO's, specialist technicians and engineers or the Paddy's will lock them up for 2 weeks, PCR negative or not...

saabsaab · 25-04-2021 06:52PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Just goes to show the level of Karen outrage that has pushed this Govt. into detaining EU citizens in hotels against their will and for no good reason.

I hope the Dutch embassy contact the Govt. to demand his release, and raise a complaint with the EU over this man's detention...

Like the Italian Ambassador? That went down well!

Tenzor07 · 25-04-2021 06:54PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Like the Italian Ambassador? That went down well!

Karma will be a b***h....

kilns · 25-04-2021 06:57PM

Is there a criteria for the countries on the hotel list, like cases per 100,000,?

How have the EU not challenged this in court or An EU citizen

Micky 32 · 25-04-2021 07:00PM

Simon Coveney:

"It’s important to say that we are going to be cautious here. International travel in my view is not likely to be a big feature this summer but as we assess the public health advice we will certainly have the capacity to be able to act on that now, in a way that we haven’t before, because we will have a system being used right across the European Union that everybody accepts and recognises can verify a person’s Covid risk status, linked to whether they’ve had it or not before, whether they’ve been vaccinated, whether they’ve been tested and when, and I think that will give us the data ammunition that will enable us to make decisions on international travel which ultimately will be positive as we move through the summer.“”

"I’m not in the space of being able to give dates on that but I think there is real hope there on the horizon."

pouladuff_goal · 25-04-2021 07:03PM

kilns wrote: »

Is there a criteria for the countries on the hotel list, like cases per 100,000,?

How have the EU not challenged this in court or An EU citizen

The only logical explanation is darts thrown at a map of the world.

Our idiots still haven't put India on it for christ's sake.

Micky 32 · 25-04-2021 07:04PM

pouladuff_goal wrote: »

The only logical explanation is darts thrown at a map of the world.

Our idiots still haven't put India on it for christ's sake.

I believe it’s going on the list in the next 48 hours.

kilns · 25-04-2021 07:04PM

pouladuff_goal wrote: »

The only logical explanation is darts thrown at a map of the world.

Our idiots still haven't put India on it for christ's sake.

But the hotel quarantines will end mid June no matter what right?

Micky 32 · 25-04-2021 07:05PM

kilns wrote: »

But the hotel quarantines will end mid June no matter what right?

My guess is it will be extended.

Tenzor07 · 25-04-2021 07:05PM

kilns wrote: »

Is there a criteria for the countries on the hotel list, like cases per 100,000,?How have the EU not challenged this in court or An EU citizen

Doesn't really matter, bringing in Hotel detention for various countries in the EU Free movement zone is a ludicrous system that only damages Ireland's credibility...

kilns · 25-04-2021 07:09PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

My guess is it will be extended.

You would expect countries like France should be well under control by then, if they remain on the list it would be a joke.

If Ireland pulled this trick before brexit negotiations then the EU mightn't have had their back

kilns · 25-04-2021 07:09PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Doesn't really matter, bringing in Hotel detention for various countries in the EU Free movement zone is a ludicrous system that only damages Ireland's credibility...

Agreed, it sets a dangerous precedent, that is why. Shocked the EU have not come down hard on Ireland for this

kerrylad1 · 25-04-2021 07:10PM

Anyone that agrees with these restrictions at this stage,is probly working from home,with no loss to their income.
Once the over 65's are jabbed,how can anyone justify, thousands of people,sitting at home,barred from working.
A couple,a few doors up from me,sold their dream house,and had to move back into the city with one of their parents.

Tenzor07 · 25-04-2021 07:12PM

kilns wrote: »

You would expect countries like France should be well under control by then, if they remain on the list it would be a joke.

List is a joke...

What's stopping someone from France popping over the border to Spain, Germany, Belgium, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Italy to travel to Ireland... although why they'd want to is another issue..

Micky 32 · 25-04-2021 07:12PM

kilns wrote: »

You would expect countries like France should be well under control by then, if they remain on the list it would be a joke.

If Ireland pulled this trick before brexit negotiations then the EU mightn't have had their back

Yes you’d imagine that even though it will be extended the list should be a lot smaller though ( hopefully)

Tenzor07 · 25-04-2021 07:14PM

kilns wrote: »

Agreed, it sets a dangerous precedent, that is why. Shocked the EU have not come down hard on Ireland for this

I think the fact that Ireland is an outlier, the little rock on the wrong side of Brexit Britain, is now not only disconnected from Europe by Sea but also by the measures brought in to restrict freedom of movement..

kilns · 25-04-2021 07:14PM

For example do truck drivers bringing goods from France on the ferry have to hotel quarantine when they arrive?

eltonyio · 25-04-2021 07:20PM

kilns wrote: »

For example do truck drivers bringing goods from France on the ferry have to hotel quarantine when they arrive?

No the truckers are exempt.

Unlike the good folk from Wallis and Futuna who must still quarantine (still on the MHQ list...is it 2 cases they have since 12 April?). Who dreamt that one up?

An absolute shambles of a law, brutal for our reputation.

If the group really cared about implementation why India wasn't put on it 10 days ago or more is beyond me, and also not in agreement with their stated parameters.

acequion · 25-04-2021 07:33PM

kilns wrote: »

Agreed, it sets a dangerous precedent, that is why. Shocked the EU have not come down hard on Ireland for this

I'm shocked that there isn't a major backlash, both from the EU and from lobby groups. The fact that there isn't is very depressing and worrying. Do NPHET/Govt have that much unbridled power?

I also think another poster touched on it. Ireland is indeed some vague little rock the far side of the UK who're no longer in Europe. I've lived in several European countries and speak several languages. I've always been struck by how little consequence we have in Europe, how insignificant we are. There are people who think we're part of the UK. Struck and a little put out when finding myself having to talk up our importance, put us on the map a bit so to speak.

So it could well be that the EU has bigger fish to fry and more important things to be doing than worrying about the shenanigans of some mad crowd on a tiny island way over west. But you would feel very sorry for the many Europeans stuck here and would have to hope that their embassies will make more of a fuss.

saabsaab · 25-04-2021 07:38PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I believe it’s going on the list in the next 48 hours.

Too slow.

embraer170 · 25-04-2021 07:42PM

acequion wrote: »

Have people seen this? :mad:

I really am ashamed to my very boots of this pathetic little country. You can only imagine what people in more enlightened places must think of us.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dutch-national-unable-to-leave-hotel-quarantine-to-fly-home-1.4547028

My understanding was that one of the few reasons one is allowed to leave MHQ is to return home to your country of residence.

It appears that this individual is also being denied that?!

saabsaab · 25-04-2021 07:49PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

My guess is it will be extended.

You may be right. Weare depending on the vaccines roll out now.

eltonyio · 25-04-2021 07:53PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Too slow.

Much about the pandemic management has been too slow.

Slow to close schools in 2020
Slow to reopen schools in 2020
Slow with mask advice
Slow with vitamin d advice
Current speed of vaccine approval (Johnson and Johnson)
Introducing MHQ a good year after the horse bolted in the bizarre search for a scapegoat
Slow to actually consider the implications of the detention policy and the subsequent need to make it up as they go along
Slow to remove Wallis and Futuna from the MHQ list (2 cases in 14 days)
Slow to update IT systems supporting the sector

I would guess that's why most of the posters on here are beyond frustrated with the current MHQ lark - when it comes around that we should open up, they'll be slow to do that too.

Reminds me of the scientists in Big Train

saabsaab · 25-04-2021 08:00PM

eltonyio wrote: »

Much about the pandemic management has been too slow.

Slow to close schools in 2020

Slow to reopen schools in 2020

Slow with mask advice

Slow with vitamin d advice

Current speed of vaccine approval (Johnson and Johnson)

Introducing MHQ a good year after the horse bolted in the bizarre search for a scapegoat

Slow to actually consider the implications of the detention policy and the subsequent need to make it up as they go along

Slow to remove Wallis and Futuna from the MHQ list (2 cases in 14 days)

Slow to update IT systems supporting the sector

I would guess that's why most of the posters on here are beyond frustrated with the current MHQ lark - when it comes around that we should open up, they'll be slow to do that too.

Reminds me of the scientists in Big Train

I'd have to agree with much of that.

beggars_bush · 25-04-2021 08:07PM

kerrylad1 wrote: »

Anyone that agrees with these restrictions at this stage,is probly working from home,with no loss to their income.
Once the over 65's are jabbed,how can anyone justify, thousands of people,sitting at home,barred from working.
A couple,a few doors up from me,sold their dream house,and had to move back into the city with one of their parents.

Fully agree with them
I go out to work everyday
My workplace is located very close to a town with a large meat factory with many hundreds of foreign workers, including Brazil.
If any of them fancy going home they've to consider the MHQ on return. If any decide to fly over family members, MHQ is a huge expense.
If the company decide to get 50 new workers in from Brazil they have to factor in MHQ

So better to have this deterrent than cases of covid variants spreading around our locality
As already there are multiple schools in the area with pupils and staff at home isolating due to community transmission

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