Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

charlie14 · 25-04-2021 12:50AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Other European country is ****ed it could be us, other countries are easing restrictions why not us, we have to concentrate on us. You contradictie yourself nearly every post.

Where do you see these contradictions. The facts for Sweden are easily checked if you doubt them then show me where they are incorrect.

Still waiting btw for that science behind all those European countries you mentioned earlier, but perhaps you missed my reply. Post #7647 if that helps.

Gremlinertia · 25-04-2021 12:50AM

Sharpyshoot, ypres5, put each other on ignore if you can't avoid each other, posts removed

Sharpyshoot · 25-04-2021 12:53AM

Will do thanks

ypres5 · 25-04-2021 12:57AM

Gremlinertia wrote: »

Sharpyshoot, ypres5, put each other on ignore if you can't avoid each other, posts removed

So now you can blatantly insult posters and get away with it ? Good to know

niallo27 · 25-04-2021 01:01AM

charlie14 wrote: »

Where do you see these contradictions. The facts for Sweden are easily checked if you doubt them then show me where they are incorrect.

Still waiting btw for that science behind all those European countries you mentioned earlier, but perhaps you missed my reply. Post #7647 if that helps.

Ah man, cmon we are the most restricted country in Europe. Wake the **** up

Loafing Oaf · 25-04-2021 01:02AM

ypres5 wrote: »

So now you can blatantly insult posters and get away with it ? Good to know

And now you're trying to ascertain if the same applies to backtalking the mods...

Ha Long Bay · 25-04-2021 01:14AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Ah man, cmon we are the most restricted country in Europe. Wake the **** up

More fake news on this thread.

France:

"From Saturday 3 April, restrictive measures already in force in some parts of France are extended to the whole of the country."

"From 7PM to 6AM, a curfew is in force in metropolitan France. You may only leave your home for the following reasons and with an exemption certificate:"

https://www.gouvernement.fr/en/coronavirus-covid-19

charlie14 · 25-04-2021 01:19AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Ah man, cmon we are the most restricted country in Europe. Wake the **** up

We are also one of the lowest in Europe at present for new cases, deaths, hospital and ICU number but that is beside the point

What is the science you believe is behind these European countries opening up ?

Is it not perhaps the science of wishful thinking while at the same time time ignoring scientific data and the figures of a European country like Sweden that is more or less doing what many here belive we should be doing RIGHT NOW OR SOONER.

niallo27 · 25-04-2021 01:26AM

Ha Long Bay wrote: »

More fake news on this thread.

France:

"From Saturday 3 April, restrictive measures already in force in some parts of France are extended to the whole of the country."

"From 7PM to 6AM, a curfew is in force in metropolitan France. You may only leave your home for the following reasons and with an exemption certificate:"

https://www.gouvernement.fr/en/coronavirus-covid-19

"Shops selling essential goods and services may open, as may bookshops, record stores, DIY shops, florists and garden centres, hairdressers, cobblers, chocolate shops, car sellers and estate agents. These shops must close for 7PM."

Do you even read what you post. Do a bit of research before you post rubbish in future please.

niallo27 · 25-04-2021 01:28AM

charlie14 wrote: »

We are also one of the lowest in Europe at present for new cases, deaths, hospital and ICU number but that is beside the point

What is the science you believe is behind these European countries opening up ?

Is it not perhaps the science of wishful thinking while at the same time time ignoring scientific data and the figures of a European country like Sweden that is more or less doing what many here belive we should be doing RIGHT NOW OR SOONER.

So let me get this straight all the other countries in Europe are following the science of wishful thinking, cmon you don't honestly think the germans are following wishful thinking do you.

Ha Long Bay · 25-04-2021 01:31AM

niallo27 wrote: »

"Shops selling essential goods and services may open, as may bookshops, record stores, DIY shops, florists and garden centres, hairdressers, cobblers, chocolate shops, car sellers and estate agents. These shops must close for 7PM."

Do you even read what you post. Do a bit of research before you post rubbish in future please.

When did we have a curfew from 7PM to 6AM?

niallo27 · 25-04-2021 01:33AM

Ha Long Bay wrote: »

When did we have a curfew from 7PM to 6AM?

There is **** all to do, what difference does it make.

ypres5 · 25-04-2021 01:40AM

niallo27 wrote: »

There is **** all to do, what difference does it make.

Surely curfews are counterproductive to a degree anyway? People will just flock to public transportation and shops etc all at once because of the narrower timeframe to do business

Batattackrat · 25-04-2021 01:47AM

Id rather now just shut the whole country for two weeks.

People have a month to get their supplies together.

After that you cannot leave your house, anyone caught outside get a 5K fine.

Im pretty sure everyone would bey,

Ha Long Bay · 25-04-2021 01:54AM

niallo27 wrote: »

There is **** all to do, what difference does it make.

Are you still claiming that Ireland currently has the most strict lockdown in Europe?

niallo27 · 25-04-2021 02:06AM

Ha Long Bay wrote: »

Are you still claiming that Ireland currently has the most strict lockdown in Europe?

Yes name a stricter country in Europe please.

Ha Long Bay · 25-04-2021 02:13AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Yes name a stricter country in Europe please.

France

niallo27 · 25-04-2021 02:18AM

Ha Long Bay wrote: »

France

Shops selling essential goods and services may open, as may bookshops, record stores, DIY shops, florists and garden centres, hairdressers, cobblers, chocolate shops, car sellers and estate agents. These shops must close for 7PM

Eric Cartman · 25-04-2021 02:27AM

Absolutely open to correction but is it really far right, theres a lot of groups in the uk that are just anti lockdown / pro personal freedom that are not associated with / aligned with any traditional “far right” politics ?

Is it possibly just an automatic association to somehow make it seem worse in the media ?

charlie14 · 25-04-2021 03:01AM

niallo27 wrote: »

So let me get this straight all the other countries in Europe are following the science of wishful thinking, cmon you don't honestly think the germans are following wishful thinking do you.

I told you for most European countries all I have looked at is their vaccination figures. You were the one that said these countries that you believe we should be copying are doing whatever they are doing based on scientific data, so what is this data based on ?

Simple enough question seeing it was you that said it was science based.

walus · 25-04-2021 08:41AM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

https://twitter.com/IrlagainstFash/status/1386035255728091144?s=20

Great to see people out enjoying themselves in Salthill today.

The poster is still scaremongering even when everyone knows that being outdoors is one of the safest places that you can be.

As it was before Christmas, people are grabbing onto freedom in a fear that it will be taken away again.

km79 · 25-04-2021 08:54AM

Suprised the Sunday papers don’t have a full breakdown of the easing of restrictions and reopening of hospitality over the Summer . It’s usually leaked to them by now !
Maybe the govt are waiting on J and J approval to fully decide .
Hopefully it gets approval and that along with early AZ delivery should allow vaccine rollout to speed up considerably and same with easing of restrictions

Kivaro · 25-04-2021 09:12AM

km79 wrote: »

Suprised the Sunday papers don’t have a full breakdown of the easing of restrictions and reopening of hospitality over the Summer . It’s usually leaked to them by now !
Maybe the govt are waiting on J and J approval to fully decide .
Hopefully it gets approval and that along with early AZ delivery should allow vaccine rollout to speed up considerably and same with easing of restrictions

I can tell you what was on the news this morning. The government is pushing through the minimum pricing for alcohol bill (MUP) with great urgency in the next couple of weeks because they are now linking "cheap alcohol" to the spread of Covid. A leaked government memo shows that there will be a minimum price of 10 cent per gram of alcohol. They are blaming everything except their own incompetence.

In the next election cycle we should well remember these punitive measures and long harsh restrictions imposed by the FFGG government. We deserve no better if we vote them back in again.

FintanMcluskey · 25-04-2021 09:14AM

walus wrote: »

As it was before Christmas, people are grabbing onto freedom in a fear that it will be taken away again.

Exactly

A disgusting development in Irish society is that people now film others on a beach for the purpose of generating outrage.

Social media is the biggest mental health issue of our time

FintanMcluskey · 25-04-2021 09:20AM

Kivaro wrote: »

I can tell you what was on the news this morning. The government is pushing through the minimum pricing for alcohol bill (MUP) with great urgency in the next couple of weeks because they are now linking "cheap alcohol" to the spread of Covid. A leaked government memo shows that there will be a minimum price of 10 cent per gram of alcohol. They are blaming everything except their own incompetence.

In the next election cycle we should well remember these punitive measures and long harsh restrictions imposed by the FFGG government. We deserve no better if we vote them back in again.

Good man Tony

https://alcoholireland.ie/dr-tony-holohan-chief-medical-officer-delivers-the-opening-address-at-alcohol-action-irelands-have-we-bottled-it-alcohol-marketing-and-young-people-conference/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40203194.html%3ftype=amp

The Chief Medical Officer says any new measures to crack down on people's consumption of alcohol would be "very welcome".

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/314731/

Dr Holohan said the average per capita consumption of litres of pure alcohol per year is 11.9 litres. He said this equates to 482 pints of lager, or 45 bottles of vodka a year.

He said the average adult is consuming the equivalent of a bottle of vodka a week.

According to 2007 figures, alcohol misuse is estimated to account for €1.2bn of health expenditure.

The total cost to the economy is estimated at €3.7bn when the costs of alcohol related crime, absenteeism and loss of productivity are factored

He was very concerned about the economy in the past when it suited his agenda

Never waste a crisis as they say

_Kaiser_ · 25-04-2021 09:26AM

Batattackrat wrote: »

Id rather now just shut the whole country for two weeks.

People have a month to get their supplies together.

After that you cannot leave your house, anyone caught outside get a 5K fine.

Im pretty sure everyone would bey,

I'm pretty sure they wouldn't.

The "zero covid approach" nonsense was never and is not a solution here.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record..

- Over 99% of people in this country are are little to no risk from Covid as evidenced by the actual numbers of deaths over the last 13 months, and the demographics of those who died. Of those 99%, a significant number don't even realise they have it unless told by a test. A difference that makes no difference, IS no difference

- At this point, the less than 1% at most risk have now almost all been vaccinated which we keep being told is the way out

- Covid is a seasonal disease and just like last year the numbers here have fallen rapidly as the weather has gotten warmer, even despite the glacially slow vaccination roll-out.
Yet despite this and a year's worth of actual data and experience with this virus, as we enter May, we find ourselves more facing more restrictions than we did this time last year and a slower reopening than we had then.
By the end of May last year the country was effectively fully reopened (pubs aside) with limited restrictions - we didn't even have to wear masks. Yet this year this process is to be dragged out over months with threats of more restrictions into the autumn and winter

- The public mood has finally shifted as an increasing majority have become fed up with the approach by NPHET and Government (as evidenced by recent polls) because they can see for themselves in their own circles and localities that the actual risks are minimal for the overwhelming majority of people. Many are therefore ignoring the restrictions as much as possible (those not involving financial or legal penalties), and yet still the numbers decline

- Your idea doesn't factor into account the small points that we are an island nation with a shared border and depend fundamentally on foreign trade and movement, and that attempts to limit the latter through the botched and much-too-late mandatory quarantine system have drawn official concern and legal threats from the EU

I could go on, but I think I've proven why your idea is not only completely unworkable, it's completely unnecessary too.

25-04-2021 09:27AM

Kivaro wrote: »

I can tell you what was on the news this morning. The government is pushing through the minimum pricing for alcohol bill (MUP) with great urgency in the next couple of weeks because they are now linking "cheap alcohol" to the spread of Covid. A leaked government memo shows that there will be a minimum price of 10 cent per gram of alcohol. They are blaming everything except their own incompetence.

In the next election cycle we should well remember these punitive measures and long harsh restrictions imposed by the FFGG government. We deserve no better if we vote them back in again.

Not alone that but there is talk of serious inflation on the way. As if things aren’t bad enough already.

walus · 25-04-2021 09:28AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Exactly

A disgusting development in Irish society is that people now film others on a beach for the purpose of generating outrage.

Social media is the biggest mental health issue of our time

Couldn’t agree more. I’d even add that social media was also the main reason, a spark, that ignited this ‘lockdown’ strategy of dealing with the outbreak of the virus across the globe. It has been used to manipulate people’s behaviour already and nothing is being done to stop that.

_Kaiser_ · 25-04-2021 09:35AM

Kivaro wrote: »

I can tell you what was on the news this morning. The government is pushing through the minimum pricing for alcohol bill (MUP) with great urgency in the next couple of weeks because they are now linking "cheap alcohol" to the spread of Covid. A leaked government memo shows that there will be a minimum price of 10 cent per gram of alcohol. They are blaming everything except their own incompetence.

In the next election cycle we should well remember these punitive measures and long harsh restrictions imposed by the FFGG government. We deserve no better if we vote them back in again.

Yep, was just reading about that myself here.

Tony's anti-alcohol crusade - under the guise of public health of course - pays off as more nanny-state laws are enacted by the weakest Government this country has possibly ever seen.

Those with alcohol problems will just pay anyway while sacrificing something else (like food or utility bills or things like motor tax or items for their families).

RGS · 25-04-2021 09:36AM

charlie14 wrote: »

Other than personally I would prefer a health professional not to be sleepwalking if I had a medical problem, you have spectacularly avoided even making an attempt to address what I posted.

Do you know anything about the shift patterns of Irish nurses. Its 12/13 hour shift both night and day shifts. This has been the pattern for years.

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