Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

ypres5

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Reading some of the contributions here is more annoying than Level 4.7 restrictions.

Just grow up, we are near the finish line and a bit of maturity and patience wouldn't go amiss. Too much sacrifice has gone into getting us this far and that shouldn't be jeopardised. Good news on the vaccine front too, I have to hand it to the organisers. Once the supplies arrived it is all systems go.

A lot to look forward to and I feel the most positive I have felt in over a year now, plus the weather today was ace, which helps. Let the negativity go FGS and look forward to better times in a very short while now.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/whats-on/shopping/ireland-lockdown-13-popular-dublin-20458360

Tell that to the lads here who's businesses and livelihoods are down the drain along with thousands of others. I'm sure you'll be telling us all about those sunny better times when the bill arrives although judging by the condescending tone of your post I guess you feel that's everyone else's problem.

hynesie08

ypres5 wrote: »

https://www.dublinlive.ie/whats-on/shopping/ireland-lockdown-13-popular-dublin-20458360

Tell that to the lads here who's businesses and livelihoods are down the drain along with thousands of others. I'm sure you'll be telling us all about those sunny better times when the bill arrives although judging by the condescending tone of your post I guess you feel that's everyone else's problem.

We're blaming debenhams and topshop on covid now? Clutching a bit.

ypres5

hynesie08 wrote: »

We're blaming debenhams and topshop on covid now? Clutching a bit.

What about all the pubs, restaurants and cafes in the article who cited covid as their reason for closing? Clutch at those straws rather than cherry picking what suits you

charlie14

niallo27 wrote: »

Back what up, I asked you the question is Europe following a different science to us, what data have I to back up. I don't know that's why I'm asking.

The only science out there that is going to get us out of this yoyo of lockdowns, which even the most moronic antivax flat earther should see my this stage, is vaccines.

The U.K. were at a much higher percentage of vaccinations before they even began staged openings. We still do not know how successful or not that has been, but the data at the moment looks good.

That is the only science we have on opening. So this science that You appear to believe the rest of Europe has, is it based on them at a higher level of vaccination than we have, is it based on the U.K. data, or is it based on nothing much more than chance it and hope for the best similar to "sure it will most likely be grand, fingers crossed, to allow large crowds at EUFA games in a few week"
You appear to be following what`s going on in Europe more than me, `(I follow their vaccination percentages and I do not see any great differences to here), so you tell me, what science are all these European countries following ?

pjohnson

ypres5 wrote: »

What about all the pubs, restaurants and cafes in the article who cited covid as their reason for closing? Clutch at those straws rather than cherry picking what suits you

Were those pubs already likely to close before covid?

FintanMcluskey

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Reading some of the contributions here is more annoying than Level 4.7 restrictions.

Just grow up, we are near the finish line and a bit of maturity and patience wouldn't go amiss. Too much sacrifice has gone into getting us this far and that shouldn't be jeopardised. Good news on the vaccine front too, I have to hand it to the organisers. Once the supplies arrived it is all systems go.

A lot to look forward to and I feel the most positive I have felt in over a year now, plus the weather today was ace, which helps. Let the negativity go FGS and look forward to better times in a very short while now.

More pontificating nonsense

The finish line is long long way off as MM alluded Friday

"At the end of 2021 I can. There will be a bit of nervousness around the Autumn and Winter because I believe there's a seasonality attached to this virus.

"I think we need to tread a bit over water over the winter but I do think that we can open up over time. I think we need to do it cautiously.

ypres5

pjohnson wrote: »

Were those pubs already likely to close before covid?

Anything to back that up? Several of the pub owners specify the last year as being what caused them to close and I imagine they know their businesses better than you do.

Idbatterim

Anyone here that isn't old or vulnerable, is a hypocrite if they are taking this blackmail vaccine and at same time, bitching and rightfully so, about these nphet and government clowns ! Loads of my mates have decided not to vaccine are, they are zero risky, healthy. Why would you pump your body with this dollar grabbing, risky vaccine... its lunacy...

charlie14

ypres5 wrote: »

What about all the pubs, restaurants and cafes in the article who cited covid as their reason for closing? Clutch at those straws rather than cherry picking what suits you

Pubs restaurants and cafes open before Christmas really work out well :rolleyes:

hynesie08

pjohnson wrote: »

Were those pubs already likely to close before covid?

Dice bar was dead in the water as soon as he made his austwitsch posts on Facebook, and at least one of the others was looking to get out of the trade.

hynesie08

ypres5 wrote: »

What about all the pubs, restaurants and cafes in the article who cited covid as their reason for closing? Clutch at those straws rather than cherry picking what suits you

Would opening for 2 weeks over paddy's day and shutting again have saved them?

ypres5

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

More pontificating nonsense

The finish line is long long way off as MM alluded Friday

No no fintan the finish line is right round the corner, some people here have driven themselves demented trying to create some narrative that the shackles will be magically thrown open in a matter of weeks, which runs contrary to every word out of the government's and nphets mouth

pjohnson

ypres5 wrote: »

Anything to back that up? Several of the pub owners specify the last year as being what caused them to close and I imagine they know their businesses better than you do.

So then they are very different to Debenhams who were on their knees and in administration before any pandemic.

Yet you seem to think its Covid that got Debenhams.

FintanMcluskey

ypres5 wrote: »

Anything to back that up? Several of the pub owners specify the last year as being what caused them to close and I imagine they know their businesses better than you do.

I think the train of thought is that if a business becomes insolvent after being forced to close for a year + it must have been a poor set up

ypres5

charlie14 wrote: »

Pubs restaurants and cafes open before Christmas really work out well :rolleyes:

What does christmas have to do with anything? I'm just pointing out the cost the measures have had on people's livelihoods irrespective of the industry they're in but I seem to have upset some of the usual suspects who are convinced that piling onto our national debt and turning the hse into the national covid service will have no negative impact, at least not on them.

hynesie08

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I think the train of thought is that if a business becomes insolvent after being forced to close for a year + it must have been a poor set up

No, if it was running at a loss for years before covid, summer 2020 wasn't going to save them..

pjohnson

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I think the train of thought is that if a business becomes insolvent after being forced to close for a year + it must have been a poor set up

Its seems Ypres thinks all business was in peak condition until covid :pac:

ypres5

pjohnson wrote: »

So then they are very different to Debenhams who were on their knees and in administration before any pandemic.

Yet you seem to think its Covid that got Debenhams.

I don't seem to think anything about Debenhams, I didn't specify Debenhams and I didn't write the article but if zooming in on Debenhams and putting words in my mouth helps prop up your own paper thin argument work away johnson

ypres5

pjohnson wrote: »

Its seems Ypres thinks all business was in peak condition until covid :pac:

Well forcefully closing them for months on end didn't do them any favours or do you need me to explain how microeconomics work?

LeakyLime

pjohnson wrote: »

Its seems Ypres thinks all business was in peak condition until covid :pac:

And you seem to be arguing that Covid hasn't had a negative affect on businesses. Bizarre.

drkpower

pjohnson wrote: »

Were those pubs already likely to close before covid?

Like, did they die with covid or from covid? Thats certainly worth investigating as you wouldn't want to draw conclusions and adopt policy based on the former, would we?

Beasty

Idbatterim wrote: »

Anyone here that isn't old or vulnerable, is a hypocrite if they are taking this blackmail vaccine and at same time, bitching and rightfully so, about these nphet and government clowns ! Loads of my mates have decided not to vaccine are, they are zero risky, healthy. Why would you pump your body with this dollar grabbing, risky vaccine... its lunacy...

You have already picked up a number of cards in this thread, but the message does not seem to get through. Hence you are now threadbanned for both your vaccine conspiracy stuff and your wider behaviour across these threads

charlie14

ypres5 wrote: »

What does christmas have to do with anything? I'm just pointing out the cost the measures have had on people's livelihoods irrespective of the industry they're in but I seem to have upset some of the usual suspects who are convinced that piling onto our national debt and turning the hse into the national covid service will have no negative impact, at least not on them.

I would have thought it simple enough. We opened up, and numbers shot up, so we went back into lockdown. Are you saying we should have just carried on regardless for the sake of those businesses you were on about ?

Penfailed

Idbatterim wrote: »

Anyone here that isn't old or vulnerable, is a hypocrite if they are taking this blackmail vaccine and at same time, bitching and rightfully so, about these nphet and government clowns ! Loads of my mates have decided not to vaccine are, they are zero risky, healthy. Why would you pump your body with this dollar grabbing, risky vaccine... its lunacy...

Are you just going to pop in to this thread every couple of days just to say the same thing about vaccines? This is the restrictions thread. Vaccine thread >>>

charlie14

drkpower wrote: »

Like, did they die with covid or from covid? Thats certainly worth investigating as you wouldn't want to draw conclusions and adopt policy based on the former, would we?

That whole die from Covid or with Covid has been pretty much put to bed with the Eurostat excess death data. Unless you believe the large excess deaths during the same period of the three waves was just coincidence or there was another killer virus doing the rounds at the same time that nobody noticed ?

charlie14

Penfailed wrote: »

Are you just going to pop in to this thread every couple of days just to say the same thing about vaccines? This is the restrictions thread. Vaccine thread >>>

He was just given his on restrictions here. I doubt he would survive for long on the vaccine thread either with his conspiracy theories.

ypres5

charlie14 wrote: »

I would have thought it simple enough. We opened up, and numbers shot up, so we went back into lockdown. Are you saying we should have just carried on regardless for the sake of those businesses you were on about ?

I never referred to reopening anything or keeping anything open, that's all you. What I was responding to was another poster telling everyone to quit whinging and that better days were ahead and all I did was introduce some harsh reality that thousands of jobs have been lost and thousands more are facing uncertain futures due to restrictions.

Stormyteacup

charlie14 wrote: »

That whole die from Covid or with Covid has been pretty much put to bed with the Eurostat excess death data. Unless you believe the large excess deaths during the same period of the three waves was just coincidence or there was another killer virus doing the rounds at the same time that nobody noticed ?

Hardly put to bed. There are large discrepancies in reported deaths from Covid and actual excess deaths during the period start March 2020 to end February 2021.

There are clear excess deaths in spikes during that period, but we are comparing that to years when spikes in death occurred in January and February, so that needs to be considered.

Just out of interest- what is the reason there are no excess deaths start jan 2020 to end December 2021? Honestly - if it transpires through 2021 that for two years that encompassed a pandemic the all-cause mortality was in line with what would be expected in normal times, then what’s the explanation?

charlie14

ypres5 wrote: »

I never referred to reopening anything or keeping anything open, that's all you. What I was responding to was another poster telling everyone to quit whinging and that better days were ahead and all I did was introduce some harsh reality that thousands of jobs have been lost and thousands more are facing uncertain futures due to restrictions.

Well I can see the other posters point.
What use is whinging about restrictions unless you have an alternative, or you somehow believe there should never have been any restrictions.

pjohnson

ypres5 wrote: »

I never referred to reopening anything or keeping anything open, that's all you. What I was responding to was another poster telling everyone to quit whinging and that better days were ahead and all I did was introduce some harsh reality that thousands of jobs have been lost and thousands more are facing uncertain futures due to restrictions.

And some that had nothing to do with restrictions to boost your numbers