Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

"The Member States will be responsible for setting up the systems at the national level."

This does not fill me with confidence and I'm very confident Ireland wasn't one of the interested parties

"significant number of Member States have already shown interest in participating in the pilot program"

Christ, Ireland being responsible for a modern system...it will be some lad with a notepad at the airport.

Not a hope.

fm wrote: »

Where have you seen this 6 week deadline? A lot of(lazy) papers reporting that government will decide when?

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2021/04/14/covid-19-council-agrees-its-negotiating-mandate-on-the-digital-green-certificate/

Blut2 wrote: »

If I was living in West Cork/Kerry/other very low covid parts of the country I'd be far, far more worried this summer about people driving down from high covid areas like Dublin, not obliged to get any tests, than foreigners flying into Cork/Shannon airport from countries with lower covid incident rates than Dublin.

Both because of the lower rates, and because the foreigners flying into Cork/Shannon airport would at least all have a negative covid test to show to enter the country. Making them even less likely than the Dublin people to spread the disease to my small town...

I take your point but the data is too high level and general. E.g. I'm WFH in Dublin and have zero contacts vs. working in a high contact environment such as a meat plant in another county with a lower infection rate than DUB. Which would pose the greatest risk to a small town?

If vaccines do their job, this shouldn't matter. No-one needs to worry as beyond children (who thankfully seem to emerge unscathed), we will all be protected.

Crybabygeeks wrote: »

I take your point but the data is too high level and general. E.g. I'm WFH in Dublin and have zero contacts vs. working in a high contact environment such as a meat plant in another county with a lower infection rate than DUB. Which would pose the greatest risk to a small town?

If vaccines do their job, this shouldn't matter. No-one needs to worry as beyond children (who thankfully seem to emerge unscathed), we will all be protected.

But the exact same would apply to someone flying in from another country. ie they're WFH in Lisbon and have zero contacts. They'd be no risk to a small town either. But that sort of granular distinction isn't ever going to be possible.

It is however possible to prevent intercounty travel. So the point is if the government were being logical there would be a lot more benefit to local Cork people from preventing travel from Dublin to Cork, than from Portugal to Cork, statistically. People arriving from Dublin are coming from a region with approx 500% the covid prevalence of Portugal currently. And people coming from Dublin are under no obligation to do a covid test before arrival, unlike those arriving from Portugal.

Blut2 wrote: »

But the exact same would apply to someone flying in from another country. ie they're WFH in Lisbon and have zero contacts. They'd be no risk to a small town either. But that sort of granular distinction isn't ever going to be possible.

It is however possible to prevent intercounty travel. So the point is if the government were being logical there would be a lot more benefit to local Cork people from preventing travel from Dublin to Cork, than from Portugal to Cork, statistically. People arriving from Dublin are coming from a region with approx 500% the covid prevalence of Portugal currently. And people coming from Dublin are under no obligation to do a covid test before arrival, unlike those arriving from Portugal.

Again... Vaccines. I can't believe people would advocate for banning intercounty travel. I understand the frustration with overseas visitors being subject to different requirements but in reality, there's no perfect solution. Get the jabs going and drive on... Quite literally ��

Micky 32 wrote: »

Well that didn’t last long. New Zealand and western Australia have now paused their travel bubble. As per the protocol the travel bubble from other Australian states remain unaffected.

Sigh!!...I fixed your post.

Feria40 wrote: »

It appears that Arden has an extremely high approval rating when it comes to her handling of Covid.

Obviously we don't hear about it here but is there any backlash at all when it comes to an exit plan?

I have heard that there is some level of vaccine hesitancy in NZ, added to the fact that Covid is now not going away as such where does it leave NZ and AUS etc long term?

They both have reasonably high migrant communities, it's one thing being locked away from the world for a year but at what point does that become untenable? 2 years? 3 years?

Obviously there are people wanting to visit family over seas etc for a holiday etc, but the reality is most sane people would rather not turn their lives upside down by travelling to some virus infected sh!thole in case they get sick or get stuck there. Why risk normal life to go and live like a fućking rat? Definitely not my jam.

I’m not sure about NZ but in Australia contrary to this idea there is no outbound travel or border is closed dual citizens like myself can still get exemption for Weddings and funerals if you present evidence, although for high risk countries like India this is now being reduced to extreme cases only.

Mr Morrison said there will be some exemptions in very urgent circumstances where a person would be permitted to travel to a high-risk country.

"So those who may have been going for, sadly, family events such as weddings or, sadly, funerals — these were things that were restricted in Australia for Australians in this country," Mr Morrison said.

He said these were "difficult decisions" but the increasing risk from some countries required the move.

Also a 30% reduction now on high risk countries now, but a 30% increase in low risk country to offset.



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-22/changes-to-arrivals-from-india-explainer-coronavirus/100088968

faceman wrote: »

Reading between the lines on this, the eu travel passport thing will be here by mid July but it puts pressure on the government to not just allow international travel but also ensure pubs etc are open domestically to avoid having people go abroad

Win/win!

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/indoor-dining-and-new-incentive-scheme-in-plan-to-get-country-spending-at-home-rather-than-holidays-abroad-40350088.html

God but they love calling it a vaccine cert!!!:rolleyes:

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Great news, but how frustrating to see the journalist consistently calling it a "vaccine passporr", like a good little government propaganda wing.

And then this completely false line from the article:

"When the EU introduce digital green passports for vaccinated travellers"

Journalism going down the tubes

Golfman64 wrote: »

Unbelievable but at this stage we shouldn’t be surprised. Our level of journalists in Ireland is junior infants.

They also infer it’s up to the Irish government on how to implement it. Not true. You’ve 6 weeks to implement per the EU rules unless you receive written approval to do something different. The level of ignorance towards and scape goating of travel continues to reach new levels.

I'm sure they often know fine well. It's click bait for the curtain twitchers.

Del Griffith wrote: »

LOL, a link to a random screenshot, from 2013, to prove what today? Wot?

Hi dude. I wasn't responding to you. It is not even directly related to the thread topic so I don't know why you want to go on about it. But how and ever, given that you appear to have difficulty comprehending a relatively simple and short post. I will try to break it down for you. I even quoted the one I replied to which should have made it easy to follow the sequence.



Poster implied that pre-clearance had been in place for all flights between Ireland and US for the past 30 years. It has not been. I was merely correcting their mistake. The link shows an example which explicitly proves that point. I only need one to disprove their assertion. FYI, full pre-clearance had not even been available for most of that period. It is not legally necessary today even if all flights currently use it. I am not sure why you are going on about it. (BTW, strictly speaking, I don't think private flights can avail of it at the current time if you want to be pedantic)


I can't really make it any more clear so apologies if you still have difficulty. If you want to come back with another rant, shifting goalposts or what not, I can't guarantee I'll be bothered to reply. It's a nice day outside. You can go for a walk. Think of it as travel that is allowed.

mandrake04 wrote: »

Sigh!!...I fixed your post.

Well that’s the way the media and RTE were reporting it. So you are right there with your “ sigh” they made sure it sounded like the whole of Australia with their headlines.

“New Zealand pauses travel bubble with Australia after COVID-19 lockdowns in Perth and Peel”




https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/covid-19-new-zealand-pauses-travel-bubble-australia-outbreak-14682684

Even so over one case and it gets shut down partly or not. It’s going to be fun for the Australians/NZ going forward.

Micky 32 wrote: »

Well that’s the way the media and RTE were reporting it. So you are right there with your “ sigh” they made sure it sounded like the whole of Australia with their headlines.

“New Zealand pauses travel bubble with Australia after COVID-19 lockdowns in Perth and Peel”




https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/covid-19-new-zealand-pauses-travel-bubble-australia-outbreak-14682684

Even so over one case and it gets shut down partly or not. It’s going to be fun for the Australians/NZ going forward.

It all starts with ‘one’ case Micky get it quick first time and you’re laughing, 3 day lockdown plus the 5 day lockdown in January that’s 8 days lost in the last year. That’s not too shabby.


I think if Ireland ever makes out of the current lockdown and makes it through Xmas without a further lockdown then Aus & NZ will probably consider it safe enough open to Northern Hemisphere travel. But if the wheels fall off and you have lockdown no.4 and all you start necking yourselves then we simply go back to plan A. Like you say fun.

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

If people think this will be in by June and Ireland by July, guess again.

It's not agreed in Europe yet. It's the plan that is on the table after consultation. It will be argued and ratified in time but as it's nearly may by now, in not hopeful of June

And Ireland will 100% miss whatever deadline is in place

It’s grand though. The destination countries will accept negative tests and proof of vaccination. So holidays will happen. Great to see.