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Good loser · 22-04-2021 10:06PM

tanko wrote: »

The base price should be at least 4.50, the price fix
ing cartel are screwing us as usual.

That's blinkered begrudgery.

When prices fall factories are conspiring to pull prices.
When prices increase by 25c/kg in a fortnight (when did that ever happen before) they should have increased by another 40c/kg!

Albert Johnson · 22-04-2021 10:08PM

josephsoap wrote: »

Would it have been closed on animal welfare grounds or do you think they were shut down for not adhering to Covid guidelines ?

The short answer is I don't know and therefore I'm only speculating as to the reason. However I don't see why animal welfare would have been an issue and my gut feeling would be it's Covid guideline related.

Bass Reeves · 22-04-2021 10:46PM

Good loser wrote: »

That's blinkered begrudgery.

When prices fall factories are conspiring to pull prices.
When prices increase by 25c/kg in a fortnight (when did that ever happen before) they should have increased by another 40c/kg!

On a 340 kg carcasse there is now a 270 euro difference between the UK and Ireland even after the f@@king 25c. Where we are now we should have been at Christmas. The penny is even dropping now with those that gave the market forces BS up to now. Every farm organisation is up in arms over it at this stage. I suppose we will have some one trot on soon and blame BP

morphy87 · 23-04-2021 08:31AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Them sort of heifers can do 1.5+kgs/ day on good grass alone. Say they do 2.2/ kg LW( heavier cattle struggle to hit the really high prices) say they are 600 average mart weight and make 1350 euro each.

In 60 days time allow them to gain 90 kgs each. The better heifer could hang at or over 400 kgs DW and at a base of 4/ kg she could gross over 1700 euro

The other heifer would not gain as much hanging at maybe 350 DW she could hit 1475 euro.

Of course that is all dependent on having them bombing along. I put them on 3kg and grass of maize/barley/ hulls mix if I could

What kind of daily life weight gain would you be exspecting from continental cattle out British fresian cows, around 600kgs at the moment, hope to sell first week of September,will feed 5kgs of ration for the last 6 weeks

Bass Reeves · 23-04-2021 08:40PM

morphy87 wrote: »

What kind of daily life weight gain would you be exspecting from continental cattle out British fresian cows, around 600kgs at the moment, hope to sell first week of September,will feed 5kgs of ration for the last 6 weeks

Friesians are great to put on weight it's there size and K/O that they struggle with.

On 5kgs with decent grass I have expect them to do 1.5kgs/day. At that level of ration they will be replacing grass with ration in the he diet. I be trying to get a low protein high Me ration. A barley/hulls/maize mix would be ideal. This will put flesh on them not bone.

At 600kgs they would be eating 12kgs DM per day. They say animals can eat about 500grams/100kgs LW without effecting intake or reducing it much. After that they replace grass DM with ration DM kg for kg

richie123 · 23-04-2021 08:47PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

On a 340 kg carcasse there is now a 270 euro difference between the UK and Ireland even after the f@@king 25c. Where we are now we should have been at Christmas. The penny is even dropping now with those that gave the market forces BS up to now. Every farm organisation is up in arms over it at this stage. I suppose we will have some one trot on soon and blame BP

Would a lot of that 270 difference be down to checks and increased transport costs to the UK?

kk.man · 23-04-2021 09:07PM

richie123 wrote: »

Would a lot of that 270 difference be down to checks and increased transport costs to the UK?

Not a hope. They export in bulk and cut price haulage contracts. Imo Everthing been equal the difference could be 50e max on a whole carcass and that would be the outside of it. Whole carcasses are not the norm anymore but that is a flavour of the price differintal.

I'd tend to agree with Mll that they only supplying 3 of the top ten supermarket chain directly however I suspect that there is more to the story of indirect selling.

The food service trade/wholesale is a big pull on Irish beef and that's where much of the beef goes.

Bass Reeves · 23-04-2021 09:39PM

kk.man wrote: »

Not a hope. They export in bulk and cut price haulage contracts. Imo Everthing been equal the difference could be 50e max on a whole carcass and that would be the outside of it. Whole carcasses are not the norm anymore but that is a flavour of the price differintal.

I'd tend to agree with Mll that they only supplying 3 of the top ten supermarket chain directly however I suspect that there is more to the story of indirect selling.

The food service trade/wholesale is a big pull on Irish beef and that's where much of the beef goes.

And the food service trade/wholesale would not have the same negotiating strength as large retailers or the like of McD's.

ruwithme · 23-04-2021 09:39PM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

The short answer is I don't know and therefore I'm only speculating as to the reason. However I don't see why animal welfare would have been an issue and my gut feeling would be it's Covid guideline related.

https://www.northernsound.ie/news/dowra-mart-cancels-weekend-sales-due-to-covid-19-precautions-173110

kk.man · 23-04-2021 10:58PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

And the good service trade/wholesale would not have the same negotiating strength as large retailers or the like of McD's.

Plus 1 Bass. When the food service sees the v expensive British product vrs The Irish they will go with ours. When you go to a pub or restaurant very few label where the beef comes from.

McDonald's was a huge contract for Dawn, I'd say price of the contract wasn't the only deciding factor for the victor. Still very lucrative mince in mass production format is big bucks.

richie123 · 24-04-2021 10:07AM

kk.man wrote: »

Not a hope. They export in bulk and cut price haulage contracts. Imo Everthing been equal the difference could be 50e max on a whole carcass and that would be the outside of it. Whole carcasses are not the norm anymore but that is a flavour of the price differintal.

I'd tend to agree with Mll that they only supplying 3 of the top ten supermarket chain directly however I suspect that there is more to the story of indirect selling.

The food service trade/wholesale is a big pull on Irish beef and that's where much of the beef goes.

Playing devils advocate here ,
If what your saying is true why are uk supermarkets not buying more Irish beef if its same quality and a lot cheaper ?

Bass Reeves · 24-04-2021 10:58AM

richie123 wrote: »

Playing devils advocate here ,
If what your saying is true why are uk supermarkets not buying more Irish beef if its same quality and a lot cheaper ?

Because they will stock the red tractor logo beef first. It's s bit like NDC council logo in Irish milk. Saw somewhere recently that there was a 23% rise in demand from UK retailers for beef in the first quarter this year with the close down. People will only eat so much chicken. Personally I finding it hard to get decent pork at present. A lot of it is very tough so not suitable for either frying or grilling.

You are right to ask the questions Richie but we are not getting a fair rub from processor's. If they cannot push up the price to retailers when demand is high and numbers are lower than for years where are we going.

I think the really interesting thing to look at is the demand for AA beef. Obviously consumers are buying red tractor logo AA beef first and a lot are the moving to the Irish AA beef rather than taking non AA RTL beef from the shelf. Maybe they take RTL HE and then move to Irish AA beef.

If you hadn't a cartel some processor would break rank and grab market share but again you see the way it seem every processor seems to be working on a quota of what they kill

richie123 · 24-04-2021 01:32PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Because they will stock the red tractor logo beef first. It's s bit like NDC council logo in Irish milk. Saw somewhere recently that there was a 23% rise in demand from UK retailers for beef in the first quarter this year with the close down. People will only eat so much chicken. Personally I finding it hard to get decent pork at present. A lot of it is very tough so not suitable for either frying or grilling.

You are right to ask the questions Richie but we are not getting a fair rub from processor's. If they cannot push up the price to retailers when demand is high and numbers are lower than for years where are we going.

I think the really interesting thing to look at is the demand for AA beef. Obviously consumers are buying red tractor logo AA beef first and a lot are the moving to the Irish AA beef rather than taking non AA RTL beef from the shelf. Maybe they take RTL HE and then move to Irish AA beef.

If you hadn't a cartel some processor would break rank and grab market share but again you see the way it seem every processor seems to be working on a quota of what they kill

Price has rose 25 cent in past few weeks.if it was a cartel there would be no price rise would you not agree ?
Would lack of supply with the kill being down have anything to do with it ?
Demand being up?

I'm saying it a long time like a broken recorder at this stage..less stock is more money at less cost for the farmer.

Water John · 24-04-2021 08:01PM

richie123 wrote: »

Price has rose 25 cent in past few weeks.if it was a cartel there would be no price rise would you not agree ?
Would lack of supply with the kill being down have anything to do with it ?
Demand being up?

I'm saying it a long time like a broken recorder at this stage..less stock is more money at less cost for the farmer.

Ah Richie, they couldn't do the dog on it altogether and basically invite in inspection. At some point, unless they yielded a bit the price control would be undeniable. They're very much stretching credulity, as it is.

Anto_Meath · 24-04-2021 08:10PM

The factories are funny, they work as a cartel but would cut one another on a regular basis too. Nothing pissed them off more than loosing cattle they thought they were sure off.

Bass Reeves · 24-04-2021 08:48PM

richie123 wrote: »

Price has rose 25 cent in past few weeks.if it was a cartel there would be no price rise would you not agree ?
Would lack of supply with the kill being down have anything to do with it ?
Demand being up?

I'm saying it a long time like a broken recorder at this stage..less stock is more money at less cost for the farmer.

It all very well to talk about reducing stocking rates. While I agree that lads should only work on profitability. There are many things outside farmers control.

An interesting factor is looking at the risk of destocking. There is talk at present of a nitrates quota being assigned to every farm. Therefore reducing stock numbers could have other implications. This could leave individual farmers who take this action exposed.

There is a huge push to reduce slaughter age. It is being pushed as an answer to climate change. There is no questioning the cost implications by the powers that be. It's a massive flawed assumption that we can reduce slaughter age without incurring extra cost as well as the implications to reintroducing seasonality to the slaughtering process.

The dairy sector will not not allow wholesale calf slaughtering, live export of calves,weanlings and cattle is on a fine thread and we have the dairy herd growing at 50k+/year.

Another interesting fact we now know. If as Board Bia states that the UK market had extra demand in the first quarter how come we had pressure on beef prices in February which coincided with the need of processor's to fill feedlots for May/June slaughter

richie123 · 24-04-2021 09:23PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

It all very well to talk about reducing stocking rates. While I agree that lads should only work on profitability. There are many things outside farmers control.

An interesting factor is looking at the risk of destocking. There is talk at present of a nitrates quota being assigned to every farm. Therefore reducing stock numbers could have other implications. This could leave individual farmers who take this action exposed.

There is a huge push to reduce slaughter age. It is being pushed as an answer to climate change. There is no questioning the cost implications by the powers that be. It's a massive flawed assumption that we can reduce slaughter age without incurring extra cost as well as the implications to reintroducing seasonality to the slaughtering process.

The dairy sector will not not allow wholesale calf slaughtering, live export of calves,weanlings and cattle is on a fine thread and we have the dairy herd growing at 50k+/year.

Another interesting fact we now know. If as Board Bia states that the UK market had extra demand in the first quarter how come we had pressure on beef prices in February which coincided with the need of processor's to fill feedlots for May/June slaughter

Sure the whole thing is one big sorry mess as far as I can see and climate change is gonna be a massive pain in the hole with regards beef farming.hard to know what way its gonna go but its not looking good.

amacca · 24-04-2021 09:38PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

An interesting factor is looking at the risk of destocking. There is talk at present of a nitrates quota being assigned to every farm. Therefore reducing stock numbers could have other implications. This could leave individual farmers who take this action exposed.

So you reckon we could be in a reference year for stock quota type scenario?

Bass Reeves wrote: »

There is a huge push to reduce slaughter age. It is being pushed as an answer to climate change. There is no questioning the cost implications by the powers that be. It's a massive flawed assumption that we can reduce slaughter age without incurring extra cost as well as the implications to reintroducing seasonality to the slaughtering process.

If it's the environment we are trying to protect then reducing slaughter age is a counter productive "solution" imo

It's just going to lead to more numbers to try turn a profit, increased inputs and decreased prices unless the aim is to drive people out of business so they can plant anything that isn't a dairy farm.

If you increased the slaughter age so cattle have time to come into weight naturally without pumping meal etc into them and pay a half decent price then I'd almost think stocking rates would be lower as the more obviously efficient system would be invest very little and wait till they come into weight

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The dairy sector will not not allow wholesale calf slaughtering, live export of calves,weanlings and cattle is on a fine thread and we have the dairy herd growing at 50k+/year.

They should be left with any narrow arse short gestation runts they turn out imo.......that might encourage producing something actually worth rearing.

Good loser · 25-04-2021 12:36AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

On a 340 kg carcasse there is now a 270 euro difference between the UK and Ireland even after the f@@king 25c. Where we are now we should have been at Christmas. The penny is even dropping now with those that gave the market forces BS up to now. Every farm organisation is up in arms over it at this stage. I suppose we will have some one trot on soon and blame BP

We do not have a God given right to get the English/British market price.
The British consumer decides he wants British beef and the supermarkets deliver.
(Our prices are 10/20 c higher than Europe average - admittedly R3 bulls; are they not more entitled to complain than us?)
Naturally as the price gap grows demand adjusts and more people will stop paying the 'British premium'; this rises prices in Ireland as happened recently.
Irish factories adjust to market forces (as slowly as possible - again market forces). The prices will oscillate until the long term average is re established. Probably at €100/head lower.

Times are good now. As Brexit continues I think the omens are bad.

grange mac · 30-04-2021 09:17PM

Skibb today U= Charolais bullocks *3, 2 gold & 1 white. 545kg 1600.
Black R-, AA bullock 660kg 1600.....
Good luck to buyers making money after giving those prices.

Sugarbowl · 30-04-2021 09:27PM

grange mac wrote: »

Skibb today U= Charolais *3, 2 gold & 1 white. 545kg 1600.
Black R-, AA 660kg 1600.....
Good luck to buyers making money after giving those prices.

Bullocks is it?

Cavanjack · 01-05-2021 07:38AM

grange mac wrote: »

Skibb today U= Charolais bullocks *3, 2 gold & 1 white. 545kg 1600.
Black R-, AA bullock 660kg 1600.....
Good luck to buyers making money after giving those prices.

Probably gone to a feedlot

01-05-2021 07:59AM

Cavanjack wrote: »

Probably gone to a feedlot

Not in skibb. Theres one chap there fools around with those big cattle close by.

Cavanjack · 01-05-2021 09:15AM

DukeCaboom wrote: »

Not in skibb. Theres one chap there fools around with those big cattle close by.

Fool being the word.

kk.man · 01-05-2021 12:48PM

grange mac wrote: »

Skibb today U= Charolais bullocks *3, 2 gold & 1 white. 545kg 1600.
Black R-, AA bullock 660kg 1600.....
Good luck to buyers making money after giving those prices.

Need not worry they'll make money for the next guy too.

Water John · 01-05-2021 09:10PM

There has to be at least two bidders for a price. Great money, organic wouldn't make that a few weeks ago, but not complaining.

SuperTortoise · 03-05-2021 11:01AM

640kg 15 months €1460 Bullock
600kg 14 months €1370 Bullock
375kg 11 months €980 Heifer
895kg Cow €1880
975kg Cow €2060

locky76 · 03-05-2021 11:55AM

I have 15 dairy bred Whitehead heifers around the 420kg mark. Lovely shape to them. Only one move on the card.
What sort of money are they making presently?

Grueller · 03-05-2021 12:22PM

locky76 wrote: »

I have 15 dairy bred Whitehead heifers around the 420kg mark. Lovely shape to them. Only one move on the card.
What sort of money are they making presently?

€900
I bought some at €2.20 a kilo a month ago

Bass Reeves · 03-05-2021 12:36PM

Grueller wrote: »

€900
I bought some at €2.20 a kilo a month ago

Prices could struggle for next few weeks because of grass. As well any castle selling now will be at grass 2-3 weeks+ so a lot of the early compensatory growth may be gone

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