Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

Tenzor07 · 22-04-2021 10:46AM

charlie14 wrote: »

I`m very familiar with small towns, but I also know that counties do not just have small town and villages so where do you draw the line.
Off the counties you mention Leitrim would have one of the smallest county towns, if not the smallest, Carrick-on-Shannon. Carrick weekends before Covid was hen & stag party central.
Do you seriously believe if Carrick was in one of these "Green Zones" pubs, restaurants, hotels, B&B`s etc. are going to just cater to locals ?
I also know small towns well enough to know that Johnny when he`s back home from wherever drinks in a few local pubs with his family, pubs his family have drank in before he was even born, eats in a local restaurant and rocks up one weekend with friends from outside the "Green Zone" is not going to be refused service.
It`s nonsense and that is not even getting into those from pockets within this "Green Zone" with high numbers that will seemingly have no effect on transmissions due to contact tracing.

It's a sound strategy for reopening the country and living with the Virus, just makes no sense to punish areas where Covid is well under control.. Trust the people and have some faith in them Charlie!

But, the attitude you've spoken about here is typical of the way NPHET and Govt. have treated the Irish people through all this, i.e. Like Children who cannot be trusted..

Bottom line is we need a path out of Covid Lockdown and regionally tailored restrictions are the way out of it and back to some sort or normality...

zebastein · 22-04-2021 10:51AM

Lumen wrote: »

Restaurants and cafes in France have been closed since the end of October 2020. That's almost six months continuous, which is longer than here.

Which "businesses" are you referring to, specifically?

Personal services (barbers...)

Book shops, disc shops
Libraries
Click and collect for retail...

22-04-2021 11:02AM

Graham wrote: »

There are none.

Talk of permanent lockdowns has pretty much exclusively come from the anti-lockdown posters.

It's not a stretch to brand someone who defends a lockdown for as long as it goes on a permanent lockdown supporter?

The Government could u-turn the easing of restrictions and a few here would be straight on to boards, knuckles cracked, ready to defend whatever ridiculous rationale they've used to support their decision.

People often discard logic and the scientific method of validation in favour of blind support for the Government, I think that's what people mean when they summize those people as permanent lockdown supporters.

Stormyteacup · 22-04-2021 11:09AM

Marty Bird wrote: »

Just reading back over the thread and obesity is already a huge problem and will get much worse as this evolves over time.

It always makes me laugh the amount of people that work advising and who oversee our public health are in that category themselves.

It’s the elephant in the room.

Consider the amount of time and attention given by government, NPHET, and media to measures aimed solely at reducing spread to protect the health service..

It’s almost as if government and NPHET are not all that concerned with the individuals outcome after contracting Covid - main goal is to reduce spread and they’ve spent a huge amount of time identifying the risk factors of spread in minute detail, while paying smallest lip service to measures an individual can take to minimise risk of a serious course of illness.

A 20 year old with with a BMI of 40 is in line for vaccination before a 67 year old with chronic heart disease.

gozunda · 22-04-2021 11:27AM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Consider the amount of time and attention given by government, NPHET, and media to measures aimed solely at reducing spread to protect the health service..

It’s almost as if government and NPHET are not all that concerned with the individuals outcome after contracting Covid - main goal is to reduce spread and they’ve spent a huge amount of time identifying the risk factors of spread in minute detail, while paying smallest lip service to measures an individual can take to minimise risk of a serious course of illness.

A 20 year old with with a BMI of 40 is in line for vaccination before a 67 year old with chronic heart disease.

Are they? Where do you get that from?

I guess atm the primary goal is to keep the rate of infection low for everyone regardless of age, underlying condition or any other condition, whilst the vaccination programme is being rolled out.

People are also being encouraged to get and out and exercise after contracting covid. There's a huge amount of information and promotion being pushed atm.

This is just one such piece of the advice published. Lots more out there.

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/exercise-while-recovering-from-coronavirus.html

Fago123 · 22-04-2021 11:39AM

Not sure what I'm going to do with myself when Monday rolls around and further restrictions are eased! It's a toss up between a game of tennis or a pet farm! Sure why not both? The world is my oyster! It's like the roaring 20's all over again.

Although I am a bit worried the kids might get too excited about non-contact outdoor training in pods of 15 or less. Want to keep their feet on the ground, can't spoil them too much, they'll think Christmas has come early!

Stormyteacup · 22-04-2021 11:44AM

gozunda wrote: »

Are they? Where do you get that from?

I guess atm the primary goal is to keep the rate of infection low for everyone regardless of age, underlying condition or any other condition, whilst the vaccination programme is being rolled out.

People are also being encouraged to get and out and exercise after contracting covid. There's a huge amount of information and promotion being pushed atm.

This is just one such piece of the advice published. Lots more out there.

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/exercise-while-recovering-from-coronavirus.html

BMI >40 aged 16 - 69 are in group 4.

Yes it’s good people are being encouraged to get exercising after contracting Covid - but my point was we’ve been almost a year with the knowledge of obesity as a high or very high risk factor for a serious course of Covid. It should have been highlighted early on, how many people would be more proactive in reducing their weight with the danger being widely known?

Many people simply are not aware of the level of risk being overweight has on the outcome of a Covid infection.

At the very least a publicity campaign should have been rolled out across the media to create awareness on how to help protect against serious illness by losing weight, alongside the campaigns to protect against contracting it in the first place.

Tenzor07 · 22-04-2021 11:56AM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Many people simply are not aware of the level of risk being overweight has on the outcome of a Covid infection.
At the very least a publicity campaign should have been rolled out across the media to create awareness on how to help protect against serious illness by losing weight, alongside the campaigns to protect against contracting it in the first place.

The Focus has been simply on the "Stay at home" message, nothing else... Seems to be no real strategy for sports apart from those which generate revenue and are done by the very wealthy, i.e. Horse racing.

People banned from going for a jog or a cycle with anyone or traveling to somewhere it's safe to have a walk for fear of being handed a €100 fine by the Gards and told to go home... No restrictions on the sale of cheap Alcohol or junk foods being delivered to your door...

22-04-2021 12:00PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

BMI >40 aged 16 - 69 are in group 4.

Yes it’s good people are being encouraged to get exercising after contracting Covid - but my point was we’ve been almost a year with the knowledge of obesity as a high or very high risk factor for a serious course of Covid. It should have been highlighted early on, how many people would be more proactive in reducing their weight with the danger being widely known?

Many people simply are not aware of the level of risk being overweight has on the outcome of a Covid infection.

At the very least a publicity campaign should have been rolled out across the media to create awareness on how to help protect against serious illness by losing weight, alongside the campaigns to protect against contracting it in the first place.

Exactly because they always say prevention is better than cure so being a healthy weight, eating properly, exercising regularly could all have been part of a campaign to keep everyone healthier and fitter. Every bit would have helped.

Boggles · 22-04-2021 12:05PM

gansi wrote: »

Exactly because they always say prevention is better than cure so being a healthy weight, eating properly, exercising regularly could all have been part of a campaign to keep everyone healthier and fitter. Every bit would have helped.

You mean like preventing the spread of the virus?

titan18 · 22-04-2021 12:09PM

gansi wrote: »

Exactly because they always say prevention is better than cure so being a healthy weight, eating properly, exercising regularly could all have been part of a campaign to keep everyone healthier and fitter. Every bit would have helped.

Ya, but closing the gyms doesn't exactly help with the losing weight part. I've gained weight and gone from being outside cohort 7 to well into cohort 7 over the year. All we've been able to do for most of the year is sit inside and eat and get fat. Going for a walk or a jog in the same 5k the whole year isn't exactly very conductive for good exercise.

SAMTALK · 22-04-2021 12:11PM

titan18 wrote: »

Ya, but closing the gyms doesn't exactly help with the losing weight part. I've gained weight and gone from being outside cohort 7 to well into cohort 7 over the year. All we've been able to do for most of the year is sit inside and eat and get fat. Going for a walk or a jog in the same 5k the whole year isn't exactly very conductive for good exercise.

On the flip side I've lost weight in the last year and walk 6 /7 times a week,
so it is not all about the gyms being closed in fairness

Boggles · 22-04-2021 12:14PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

People banned from going for a jog or a cycle with anyone

Utter falsehood, exercise with another household is and was permitted.

Jesus is it any wonder you stated yesterday you have been locked down for 13 months.

Tenzor07 wrote: »

No restrictions on the sale of cheap Alcohol or junk foods being delivered to your door...

Huh? restrictions on food during a pandemic.

Super idea.

gozunda · 22-04-2021 12:15PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

BMI >40 aged 16 - 69 are in group 4.

Yes it’s good people are being encouraged to get exercising after contracting Covid - but my point was we’ve been almost a year with the knowledge of obesity as a high or very high risk factor for a serious course of Covid. It should have been highlighted early on, how many people would be more proactive in reducing their weight with the danger being widely known?

Many people simply are not aware of the level of risk being overweight has on the outcome of a Covid infection.

At the very least a publicity campaign should have been rolled out across the media to create awareness on how to help protect against serious illness by losing weight, alongside the campaigns to protect against contracting it in the first place.

They are indeed - but that's just those in the highest bmi category. Group 4 also covers those with who are attending hospital or have had transplants etc for their condition and that includes chronic heart conditions. Otherwise those with BMI >35 Kg/m2 and other chronic heart disease fall into group 5.

It was you who bemoaned about the HSE not encouraging people to exercise after contracting covid. And that's not the case.

Stormyteacup wrote:

It’s almost as if government and NPHET are not all that concerned with the individuals outcome after contracting Covid

And remember its not only bmi which is listed as a co-morbidity.

And yes there are public campaigns to help people get fitter, loose weight. Though oddly you seemed to be solely focused on people's who may be over bmi guidelines to the absolute exclusion of every thing else as if that would stop covid in its tracks. It won't.

Boggles · 22-04-2021 12:16PM

titan18 wrote: »

Ya, but closing the gyms doesn't exactly help with the losing weight part. I've gained weight and gone from being outside cohort 7 to well into cohort 7 over the year. All we've been able to do for most of the year is sit inside and eat and get fat. Going for a walk or a jog in the same 5k the whole year isn't exactly very conductive for good exercise.

Another person confined to 5km for a whole year?

Where in the name of Jesus are ye getting your information from?

I think I have actually identified a large part of the problem here.

franciscanpunk · 22-04-2021 12:17PM

Just looking at some figures i seen in article there, the north has about 60% of adults with a fiirst dose. Why is there no demand for easing of restrictions up there? They seem to be relatively happy keep restrictions in place.

Is it they dont want to be seen to be doing the same as England? same with Scotland and Wales will they remain with restrictions longer than England to see how it goes. I have never actually seen anything in any UK country about a public and business demand or even a want to ease restrictions?
all areas have similar vaccine levels i assume

titan18 · 22-04-2021 12:17PM

SAMTALK wrote: »

On the flip side I've lost weight in the last year and walk 6 /7 times a week,
so it is not all about the gyms being closed in fairness

Fair play, i was doing well before last March by going to a PT but then that all got closed down and it's been tough. I've never been the best on controlling the food so I was losing weight by out exercising it. Not much of a runner as I hate it, so been a long year of putting on weight for me. If gyms had been open, I'd at least have had that option to lose weight there.

SAMTALK · 22-04-2021 12:19PM

Boggles wrote: »

Another person confined to 5km for a whole year?

Where in the name of Jesus are ye getting your information from?

I think I have actually identified a large part of the problem here.

All the talk about NPHET and Government being over the top with anything they do and yet when people are giving out about them it's all exaggerated and OTT
and mis information

Nothing about the vaccines being rolled out and how it will impact us in the next few months

titan18 · 22-04-2021 12:19PM

Boggles wrote: »

Another person confined to 5km for a whole year?

Where in the name of Jesus are ye getting your information from?

I think I have actually identified a large part of the problem here.

Tbf, out of the 13 months, the non 5k part was effectively last July, August and September, and some of the early months were 2k, so it's been pretty much the best part of a year restricted to that for exercise.

SAMTALK · 22-04-2021 12:21PM

titan18 wrote: »

Fair play, i was doing well before last March by going to a PT but then that all got closed down and it's been tough. I've never been the best on controlling the food so I was losing weight by out exercising it. Not much of a runner as I hate it, so been a long year of putting on weight for me. If gyms had been open, I'd at least have had that option to lose weight there.

I get that some people like the gym and find any other excercise is not for them but don't let it get to you. Hopefully you will get back to the gym in the next few weeks and get back on track. Good luck

Stormyteacup · 22-04-2021 12:22PM

gozunda wrote: »

They are indeed - but that's just those in the highest bmi category. Group 4 also covers those with who are attending hospital or have had transplants etc for their condition and that includes chronic heart conditions. Otherwise those with BMI >35 Kg/m2 and other chronic heart disease fall into group 5.

It was you who bemoaned about the HSE not encouraging people to exercise after contracting covid. And that's not the case.

And remember its not only bmi which is listed as a co-morbidity.

And yes there are public campaigns to help people getting fitter, loose weight. Though oddly you seemed to be solely focused on people's who may be over bmi guidelines to the absolute exclusion of every thing else as if tgat would stop covid in its tracks. It won't.

No you are incorrect I wasn’t moaning about the HSE not encouraging people to exercise after contracting Covid.

I was criticising the lack of awareness that being overweight will increase your risk of serious illness after contracting Covid.

Clearly being overweight is not the only risk factor for serious illness. However it is in the top three alongside heart disease and age.

It has nothing to do with stopping Covid in its tracks. It’s about giving people the information to best protect themselves from serious illness should they be unfortunate enough to contract Covid.

gozunda · 22-04-2021 12:23PM

franciscanpunk wrote: »

Just looking at some figures i seen in article there, the north has about 60% of adults with a fiirst dose. Why is there no demand for easing of restrictions up there? They seem to be relatively happy keep restrictions in place.

Is it they dont want to be seen to be doing the same as England? same with Scotland and Wales will they remain with restrictions longer than England to see how it goes. I have never actually seen anything in any UK country about a public and business demand or even a want to ease restrictions?
all areas have similar vaccine levels i assume

I suppose like the south and according to some on this thread - it's mainly because of the historical influence of the Catholic Church which makes for a complient population.

... oh wait

22-04-2021 12:23PM

franciscanpunk wrote: »

Just looking at some figures i seen in article there, the north has about 60% of adults with a fiirst dose. Why is there no demand for easing of restrictions up there? They seem to be relatively happy keep restrictions in place.

Is it they dont want to be seen to be doing the same as England? same with Scotland and Wales will they remain with restrictions longer than England to see how it goes. I have never actually seen anything in any UK country about a public and business demand or even a want to ease restrictions?
all areas have similar vaccine levels i assume

Do you not watch the news? Northern Ireland starting to ease restrictions over the next few weeks starting tomorrow

titan18 · 22-04-2021 12:23PM

SAMTALK wrote: »

I get that some people like the gym and find any other excercise is not for them but don't let it get to you. Hopefully you will get back to the gym in the next few weeks and get back on track. Good luck

Ya, I hope so. To me exercise is a lot easier in classes where there's a bit of social activity or with a personal trainer so I'm hoping if I get vaccinated next month, I'm good for June if gyms reopen then (not sure are they being included with hairdressers as personal services or not)

gozunda · 22-04-2021 12:24PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

No you are incorrect I wasn’t moaning about the HSE not encouraging people to exercise after contracting Covid.

I was criticising the lack of awareness that being overweight will increase your risk of serious illness after contracting Covid.

Clearly being overweight is not the only risk factor for serious illness. However it is in the top three alongside heart disease and age.

It has nothing to do with stopping Covid in its tracks. It’s about giving people the information to best protect themselves from serious illness should they be unfortunate enough to contract Covid.

Oh yes you were ....

Stormyteacup wrote:

It’s almost as if government and NPHET are not all that concerned with the individuals outcome after contracting Covid

Stormyteacup · 22-04-2021 12:29PM

gozunda wrote: »

Oh yes you were ....

Ah I see. To explain, when I say outcome after contracting Covid I mean risk of hospitalisation or not, risk of ICU admittance and risk of death.

Boggles · 22-04-2021 12:40PM

titan18 wrote: »

Tbf, out of the 13 months, the non 5k part was effectively last July, August and September, and some of the early months were 2k, so it's been pretty much the best part of a year restricted to that for exercise.

TBF.

8th of June to 21st of October, December and currently most of April.

If you were confined to 5km for the past 12/13 months, that was by choice.

Parachutes · 22-04-2021 12:46PM

Boggles wrote: »

Another person confined to 5km for a whole year?

Where in the name of Jesus are ye getting your information from?

I think I have actually identified a large part of the problem here.

Sorry you could go to the shop too :rolleyes:

Stop trying to move the goalposts. We’ve been under one form of restriction or another for 13 months.

Boggles · 22-04-2021 12:58PM

titan18 wrote: »

Going for a walk or a jog in the same 5k the whole year isn't exactly very conductive for good exercise.

Parachutes wrote: »

Sorry you could go to the shop too :rolleyes:

Stop trying to move the goalposts. We’ve been under one form of restriction or another for 13 months.

Sorry did just leg out to the car park with the goal posts whilst simultaneously telling me not to move them?

Unique.

charlie14 · 22-04-2021 12:59PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

It's a sound strategy for reopening the country and living with the Virus, just makes no sense to punish areas where Covid is well under control.. Trust the people and have some faith in them Charlie!

But, the attitude you've spoken about here is typical of the way NPHET and Govt. have treated the Irish people through all this, i.e. Like Children who cannot be trusted..

Bottom line is we need a path out of Covid Lockdown and regionally tailored restrictions are the way out of it and back to some sort or normality...

It`s a sound strategy for opening the country if the numbers stay as they are and there are enough people vaccinated to keep numbers at a minimum so we do not have to go into another lockdown.

Your hodgepodge of "Green Zones" of small towns and villages scattered around the country with enforcement by these communities is not going to achieve that.
There are few things I enjoy more than a good session in small towns and villages. I am also enough of a realist to know that a local, or the son or daughter of a local, walking into a pub, restaurant or shop with friends from outside this "Green Zone" is not going to be refused service.
From someone who asked me did I know small local communities to believe otherwise is bonkers.

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