Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

The Big Easy · 21-04-2021 04:15PM

average_runner wrote: »

Alot harder to lose a few pounds than take a simple injection that is free.

Yes, we should always choose the easier option, that will never end badly!

FintanMcluskey · 21-04-2021 04:15PM

average_runner wrote: »

Very true. Obesity would be less of an issue if Alcohol wasn't available and sugary snacks!!!

No obesity would be less of an issue if one didn’t eat a few thousand more calories per day than required to maintain weight.

Previously it didn’t bother me what others did with their bodies until my freedom was restricted to protect them

muddypuppy · 21-04-2021 04:18PM

bear1 wrote: »

Since when is going abroad illegal?

https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-international-travel-5416194-Apr2021/

This is starting to feel like a huge middle finger to all the expat, immigrants, etc living in Ireland. Most EU countries can already travel between each others, and it will be fun to see us not being able to go abroad while most other countries have vaccine passports and so on. Double slap in the face for those that haven't seen their families in months, if not over a year.

Degag · 21-04-2021 04:18PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No obesity would be less of an issue if one didn’t eat a few thousand more calories per day than required to maintain weight.

Previously it didn’t bother me what others did with their bodies until my freedom was restricted to protect them

Kinda like people not taking vaccines?

FintanMcluskey · 21-04-2021 04:23PM

Degag wrote: »

Kinda like people not taking vaccines?

Do vaccines protect one from poor lifestyle choices?

Degag · 21-04-2021 04:24PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It wasn’t my intention to offend anyone

Buts it not a made up assumption

https://www.worldobesityday.org/assets/downloads/COVID-19_and_Obesity-The_2021_Atlas.pdf

Unfortunately closing gyms and pools for about 6 of the last 7 months won’t help this issue in Ireland

It’s time to start understanding and following science

As far as i’m aware, someone who is medically ‘obese’ can actually be a relatively fit and healthy person. At least that used to be the case. Anyhow, i’m sure there is some linkage but there are probably linkages to loads of things that we may not understand for quite a while - or indeed never.

Obesity is not ever a choice either. Yes the majority of people can probably try and do something about it but often it can something like genetics etc.

Degag · 21-04-2021 04:25PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Do vaccines protect one from poor lifestyle choices?

I didn’t think the title of this forum we are posting in was called ‘Poor Lifestyle Choices?’

Pandiculation · 21-04-2021 04:27PM

muddypuppy wrote: »

This is starting to feel like a huge middle finger to all the expat, immigrants, etc living in Ireland. Most EU countries can already travel between each others, and it will be fun to see us not being able to go abroad while most other countries have vaccine passports and so on. Double slap in the face for those that haven't seen their families in months, if not over a year.

I haven't seen my Dublin relatives in months due to the county-to-county travel restrictions, never mind my continental ones.

I think though the Government would want to be a little bit more aware that Ireland's population isn't just made up of people who were born and have always lived in Ireland and even those of us who were have many connections abroad and into continental Europe. Not everyone's disappearing off to the Costa Del Sol for the beach and beer.

I fully comprehend that we need to prevent new variants coming in, but we also need to be a lot more pragmatic about how we deal with the travel issues.

We had months and months where we left the border wide open, while countries like Germany had extensive testing in place. We kinda did a half-assed mess of sticking up a few auld posters and most people were just wandering in and out, while there are significant domestic restrictions in place.

Now we seem to have gone from that to utterly draconian implementation of travel restrictions and we never seem to have managed to get to that pragmatic level of sensible and balanced controls, where everyone entering was tested or where there was some kind of serious control of verifiable quarantine-at-home put in place.

You'd have to wonder what we're up to sometimes.

Also, the UK's measures are likely driven by Brexiteer Tories, who also were absolutely laissez faire in the initial months of this crisis and now seem to have gone hardcore too. I'm sure that's also likely driven by their politics which is a tad xenophobic, to put it mildly.

I just don't know what we're implementing. It seems to be utterly disjointed most of the time.

I'm not just saying this for the sake of controversy or contrarianism, but this is 100% definitely feeding into how I will be voting in any upcoming elections. I'm shocked at how badly the whole thing has been handled, particularly since last Christmas and I've definitely lost confidence in the government parties. It just feels like we're floundering and going through phases of totally underestimating the risks and then overreacting to them when what should have been blatantly obvious happens.

ingo1984 · 21-04-2021 04:30PM

muddypuppy wrote: »

This is starting to feel like a huge middle finger to all the expat, immigrants, etc living in Ireland. Most EU countries can already travel between each others, and it will be fun to see us not being able to go abroad while most other countries have vaccine passports and so on. Double slap in the face for those that haven't seen their families in months, if not over a year.

It may be a law, but no court would enforce it. Its like the 2,000 euro fine for going abroad on holidays, was scrapped after a week. I've had no problem travelling abroad to countries willing to accept travellers with a negative test and haven't seen a guard or had any hassle on my return.

facehugger99 · 21-04-2021 04:37PM

Degag wrote: »

As far as i’m aware, someone who is medically ‘obese’ can actually be a relatively fit and healthy person. At least that used to be the case. Anyhow, i’m sure there is some linkage but there are probably linkages to loads of things that we may not understand for quite a while - or indeed never.

Obesity is not ever a choice either. Yes the majority of people can probably try and do something about it but often it can something like genetics etc.

Yeah, I'm sure the ICUs were full of lads that could have played outside center for Leinster.

SAMTALK · 21-04-2021 04:39PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Yeah, I'm sure the ICUs were full of lads that could have played outside center for Leinster.

That is just being ridiculous !

M_Murphy57 · 21-04-2021 04:41PM

Degag wrote: »

As far as i’m aware, someone who is medically ‘obese’ can actually be a relatively fit and healthy person. At least that used to be the case. Anyhow, i’m sure there is some linkage but there are probably linkages to loads of things that we may not understand for quite a while - or indeed never.

Obesity is not ever a choice either. Yes the majority of people can probably try and do something about it but often it can something like genetics etc.

It doesnt matter if you are a "fit fat" person or whether it was a choice.

Covid is more likely to result in severe symptoms, hospitalization and death in obese people.

The linkages are already well understood- the risk factors are age, being non white/POC, and (untreated) diabetes. Men more at risk than women too.

But obesity and diabetes are the only factors people can at least try to control.

It's a hard one to message when you on the one hand shut gyms and ask people to stay home, non essential medical appointments stopped, but yhen also ask people to somehow exercise more and get your diabetes and obesity under control on their own.

But just because Tony didnt call it out doesnt means it's not a cause.

charlie14 · 21-04-2021 04:42PM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Sweden is curious why you didn't actually read the study.

Nothing that curious about Sweden compared to its Nordic neighbours. Other that as a report by The Spectator put it when comparing European countries on a geographic basis, that for deaths it was an "exception".

lawred2 · 21-04-2021 04:45PM

Degag wrote: »

As far as i’m aware, someone who is medically ‘obese’ can actually be a relatively fit and healthy person. At least that used to be the case. Anyhow, i’m sure there is some linkage but there are probably linkages to loads of things that we may not understand for quite a while - or indeed never.

Obesity is not ever a choice either. Yes the majority of people can probably try and do something about it but often it can something like genetics etc.

yeah but it's seriously rare like

If you're classified as medically obese - odds are you're not even close to being healthy

lawred2 · 21-04-2021 04:46PM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

It doesnt matter if you are a "fit fat" person or whether it was a choice.

Covid is more likely to result in severe symptoms, hospitalization and death in obese people.

The linkages are already well understood- the risk factors are age, being non white/POC, and (untreated) diabetes. Men more at risk than women too.

But obesity and diabetes are the only factors people can at least try to control.

It's a hard one to message when you on the one hand shut gyms and ask people to stay home, non essential medical appointments stopped, but yhen also ask people to somehow exercise more and get your diabetes and obesity under control on their own.

But just because Tony didnt call it out doesnt means it's not a cause.

It's about time the causes of obesity was tackled head on like every other destructive personal behavior

Yet obesity gets danced around for fear of hurting people's feelings...

Degag · 21-04-2021 04:46PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Yeah, I'm sure the ICUs were full of lads that could have played outside center for Leinster.

Not what i said.

gozunda · 21-04-2021 04:59PM

zebastein wrote: »

France will announce the reopening of outdoor dining/drinking for mid-May. Though they are the most impacted European country at the moment, they plan for the future, because they are confident that the vaccination will put them in a much better position in a month time.

Ireland which had one of the lowest positivity rates for a month and a half now is still not able to plan anything. We need to wait 2/4/6 more weeks, these weeks are crucial, there are subjects of concern, ....

What in the name of dog is with the non stop Doom and Gloom or that Ireland is the Worstest country ever?

Have you been living on the moon perhaps? Ireland not planning anything wtf? Take a read.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/lockdown-restrictions-ireland-dublin-news-20428340

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40266422.html

We already have schools opened. We've already rolled back the stay at home /exercise locally restrictions etc with more rollback of restrictions to follow. We know this.

Atm France is having a ****show and has had rapidly rising case numbers And up to this they've had no roadmap at all.

Their current restrictions were extended countrywide on the 3rd of April and include a 10km restriction for any travel from a persons home except for essential reasons

A curfew for all areas of metropolitan France. Where again you can only leave your home for the specific reasons

All schools are closed etc etc

So even as they make a huhaw about easing restrictions at some point in the future - the French Government are in reality desperately backpeddling and offering that restrictions will start to be rolled back in 2-6 weeks in an effort to keep people from saying "Zoot Alors!" - and going of a bit of old rioting as the French are fairly famous for tbf.

This is what is being promised with caveats in France atm

In a televised address on 31 March, Macron announced the country could re-open "with strict rules" from mid-May – including bars, restaurants and cultural venues – that have been closed since 30 October of last year.

Primary schools are scheduled to reopen on 26 April, with junior and senior high schools opening the following week.

The implementation of the measures is expected to be complicated, while trying to maintain social distancing and sanitary protocols and ensure the prevention of a fourth wave of the virus.

Also on Tuesday, a Senate fact-finding committee recommended the gradual reopening of certain cultural venues depending on potential risks, in collaboration with local elected officials, even if the dates won't be the same for all regions.

https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20210415-macron-to-announce-roadmap-to-reopening-france-from-mid-may-covid-19-bars-restaurants-theatres

So yeah no doubt Ireland is definitely the worstest ever ...

Tenzor07 · 21-04-2021 05:02PM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

It's a hard one to message when you on the one hand shut gyms and ask people to stay home, non essential medical appointments stopped, but yhen also ask people to somehow exercise more and get your diabetes and obesity under control on their own..

Astounding the way Holohan hasn't permitted the restart of Sport and physical activity, can't even have a round of solo Golf, can't go for a group cycle or run, can't travel to somewhere less crowded for a Hike in the mountains or a cycle along the Waterford greenway if you live in Dublin...gyms closed even with restricted numbers and hygiene measures that would match an operating theater...

Regular physical activity is the prime modality for the prevention of numerous non-communicable diseases and has also been advocated for resilience against COVID-19 and other infectious diseases.

Higher level of habitual physical activity is associated with a 31% risk reduction

TomTomTim · 21-04-2021 05:02PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No obesity would be less of an issue if one didn’t eat a few thousand more calories per day than required to maintain weight.

Previously it didn’t bother me what others did with their bodies until my freedom was restricted to protect them

I honestly don't know how they manage it? Where do they even get the time? I just about hit my 2,500 everyday.

OwenM · 21-04-2021 05:10PM

Degag wrote: »

As far as i’m aware, someone who is medically ‘obese’ can actually be a relatively fit and healthy person. At least that used to be the case. Anyhow, i’m sure there is some linkage but there are probably linkages to loads of things that we may not understand for quite a while - or indeed never.

Obesity is not ever a choice either. Yes the majority of people can probably try and do something about it but often it can something like genetics etc.

Nonsense, apart from some very rare conditions, it is a choice.

gozunda · 21-04-2021 05:11PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Astounding the way Holohan hasn't permitted the restart of Sport and physical activity, can't even have a round of solo Golf, can't go for a group cycle or run, can't travel to somewhere less crowded for a Hike in the mountains or a cycle along the Waterford greenway if you live in Dublin...gyms closed even with restricted numbers and hygiene measures that would match an operating theater...

Eh?

Maybe you missed the news too?

From next Monday, April 26. (Thats just five days away btw) Outdoor sports facilities can reopen (e.g. pitches, golf courses and tennis courts, other facilities as appropriate). Activities should take place between a maximum of two households.

Outdoor visitor attractions can reopen (i.e. zoos, open pet farms, heritage sites. Including take-away services.

You can also go to any less crowded location within your country plus 20 km whether that's a beach, a mountain or forest for a hike. And if you live in Waterford you can go for cycle on the greenway if you live there. Ditto the canal trackways in Dublin etc etc etc

Gyms remain an outlier due to known issues of increased risks as a indoor location. That said- nothing stopping you doing workouts outside or at home.

Boggles · 21-04-2021 05:14PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

gyms closed even with restricted numbers and hygiene measures that would match an operating theater...

Some lad in spandex power lifting himself into a hernia?

Pandiculation · 21-04-2021 05:31PM

I wonder if they could open gyms in areas like fairly unused office multi-story carparks. LOADS of ventilation due to open sides, but they'd be dry enough to have equipment and they're usually well lit.

There must be buildings around, both private and public, with big empty spaces like that.

If people would just agree to not shower on site and go home. Yeah it's a bit smelly, but it's not that bad. You'd do an outdoor workout and go home, so why not an outdoor gym?

I'm sure some enterprising individual could also look at maybe placing gym equipment under some kind of roof structures, but fully outdoors with no sides.

The weather's not THAT bad at the moment - it's just its usual showery self.

zebastein · 21-04-2021 05:36PM

gozunda wrote: »

What in the name of dog is with the non stop Doom and Gloom or that Ireland is the Worstest country ever?

Have you been living on the moon perhaps? Ireland not planning anything wtf? Take a read.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/lockdown-restrictions-ireland-dublin-news-20428340

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40266422.html

We already have schools opened. We've already rolled back the stay at home /exercise locally restrictions etc with more rollback of restrictions to follow. We know this.

Atm France is having a ****show with rapidly rising case numbers And up to this they've had no roadmap at all.

Their current restrictions were extended countrywide on the 3rd of April and include a 10km restriction for any travel from a persons home except for essential reasons

A curfew for all areas of metropolitan France. Where again you can only leave your home for the specific reasons

All schools are closed etc etc

So even as they make a huhaw about easing restrictions at some point in the future - the French Government are in reality desperately backpeddling and offering that restrictions will start to be rolled back in 2-6 weeks in an effort to keep people from saying "Zoot Alors!" - and going of a bit of old rioting as the French are fairly famous for tbf.

This is what is being promised with caveats in France atm

https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20210415-macron-to-announce-roadmap-to-reopening-france-from-mid-may-covid-19-bars-restaurants-theatres

So yeah no doubt Ireland is definitely the worstest ever ...

Maybe France did not have a Roadmap in March because they had everything open as usual.

Speaking about the current restrictions in France in 2021:

- A total of 4 weeks national "lockdown". As you said they have a perimeter of 10km, but what you don't mention is that barbers/book shops... are open. To be compared to 4 months of strict lockdown in Ireland

- Shops have been fully open 3months + 1 month in click and collect. What about Ireland?

- Schools have been closed 1 week in total (they just extended the easter holidays of one week). Care for small children never closed.

The thing that you call a ****show does not translate in an increase of death. They have been stable over the last 4months, slightly decreasing.

Back to my point: I am not saying Ireland is the worst ever, but definitely the most cautious. Maybe you are happy that we ""already"" have the schools opened after months without school, and the right to go 20km instead of 5km. No shop, no personal services, no sport, no museum, no library.

But my opinion (and I am still allowed to have one) is that the country has been stable over the last 1-2months in terms of cases, and there is very little being reopened. There is close to nothing interesting in April for the majority of people. GAA, horse races and Zoos opened, how many jobs will be back in April ? 1% ? Not even a click and collect to save the retail economy.

I reiterate my message: we are 10days before May and they are not going to announce what restrictions will be eased before thursday or Friday next week, so that is basically announcing it 4days in advance. Maybe I am living on the moon but on my moon if you cannot tell what happen in 10days you cannot really say you have a plan.

Now if you happy that it takes 2months to move from level 5 to level 4 by easing one restriction every week good for you.

21-04-2021 05:38PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Do vaccines protect one from poor lifestyle choices?

Have actually heard of slimming jabs that people take to get thin. It’s a first world problem though obesity, in tandem with Netflix, takeaway and junk food. Lockdowns won’t have helped either. Filters down to kids too not exercising enough instead stuck on a screen, bad for their body, their eyes etc possibly munching away on junk as well. Bad habits being set up for life.

Penfailed · 21-04-2021 05:52PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Astounding the way Holohan hasn't permitted the restart of Sport and physical activity, can't even have a round of solo Golf, can't go for a group cycle or run, can't travel to somewhere less crowded for a Hike in the mountains or a cycle along the Waterford greenway if you live in Dublin...gyms closed even with restricted numbers and hygiene measures that would match an operating theater...

Substitute 'the government' for 'Holohan' and you might have a point.

Degag · 21-04-2021 05:55PM

OwenM wrote: »

Nonsense, apart from some very rare conditions, it is a choice.

So, what i said yeah?

The Big Easy · 21-04-2021 05:57PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Astounding the way Holohan hasn't permitted the restart of Sport and physical activity, can't even have a round of solo Golf, can't go for a group cycle or run, can't travel to somewhere less crowded for a Hike in the mountains or a cycle along the Waterford greenway if you live in Dublin...gyms closed even with restricted numbers and hygiene measures that would match an operating theater...

Obviously the new sport is winding up anyone who might want to return to some semblance of normality!

Unfortunately it's unlikely to be any good for mind, body or spirit!

Tenzor07 · 21-04-2021 05:57PM

Pandiculation wrote: »

I wonder if they could open gyms in areas like fairly unused office multi-story carparks. LOADS of ventilation due to open sides, but they'd be dry enough to have equipment and they're usually well lit.
There must be buildings around, both private and public, with big empty spaces like that.
If people would just agree to not shower on site and go home. Yeah it's a bit smelly, but it's not that bad. You'd do an outdoor workout and go home, so why not an outdoor gym?.

Most gyms these days are all in massive warehouse style industrial units that were previously used by businesses, and don't have showers either, they are well ventilated and it's easy to maintain 2m distance, very little risk as those attending are in the lower risk age groups...

not all gyms have fancy showers and changing rooms...

Tenzor07 · 21-04-2021 06:00PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Substitute 'the government' for 'Holohan' and you might have a point.

You can see where people get the idea that Holohan is the Marionettist in Govt. policy for the last year... and when they try create their own policies such as MHQ it blows up in their faces..

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