Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Charles Babbage wrote: »

The young are being vaccinated so that they do not spread a potentially fatal disease to other people. It is perfectly reasonable to expect people to not threaten other people with death unnecessarily.



Suicide has not increased during the pandemic



https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/suicides-have-not-increased-during-pandemic-figures-indicate-1.4492985


https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56818876

Reasonableness rests on proportionality though. You say, correctly, that it is perfectly reasonable to expect people to not threaten other people with death unnecessarily. This principle, in any sensible society, is subject to and guided by the idea that what is reasonable should also be proportionate.

On a proportionality basis, if the old and vulnerable are given a vaccine then the necessity for younger people to have it is diminished quite significantly (much like the flu vaccine). It would therefore be wrong if we end up in a context where either: (a) strict restrictions continue until the young are vaccinated, long after the vulnerable have been vaccinated or (b) the young are consigned to virtual second class status in terms of civil liberties by virtue of not being vaccinated.

The argument of reasonableness around keeping others from danger should not be allowed to spill into overkill. The vaccination of the young should be promoted if the benefits outweigh the risks — but I would not be comfortable with vaccination of the young being a prerequisite for the enjoyment of civil liberties either for society as a whole or for young people to enjoy the freedoms bestowed on the older vaccinated population.

average_runner wrote: »

I have no issue with people not taking it, but ye should sign an agreement that ye won't take up a hospital bed or a bed in an ICU if you get the virus.

Should we get fat people to sign something similar if they don't agree to lose a few pounds?

facehugger99 wrote: »

Should we get fat people to sign something similar if they don't agree to lose a few pounds?

Jesus thats some whataboutery..even for boards.

The difference between those and the vaccine, is that all of those things depends on will power and the perfect human. There is no need for will power on the vaccine, as it is there for you already.

Now maybe the government should make smoking and drinking illegal, that would stop the above you posted.

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Carphone warehouse closing isn't exactly "Nothing to do with the lockdown" when it obviously is...

We've been in Lockdown for 13 months, people terrified to leave their homes and not permitted to travel to the high street or shopping centres... So what do they do? Order online..
With everyone ordering online it will be hard to get them back out purchasing locally and supporting jobs..

Less/no footfall in towns - Business close


Very sad to see in my local shopping centre where the Travel agents and the phone store is now boarded up due to the never ending lockdown..

So by that logic, why aren't eir, 3, virgin mobile and all the Chinese phone shops closing down?

Carphone warehouse failed because it was an outdated business model. It failed in the uk and it failed here.

Tenzor07 wrote: »

We've been in Lockdown for 13 months

Have you?

That would explain a lot actually.

showpony1 wrote: »

Michael saying everyone will receive a vaccine by June, won't happen but sure why not say it anyway nothing will happen when it doesn't.

Where did he say that? The message of 80% by June doesn’t seem to have changed.

average_runner wrote: »

Nothing to do with lockdown. They closed them down in the UK before lockdown started and said Ireland will also go that way before lockdown started.
Was in a shopping centre at the weekend, Boots, Easons, cafes were all packed, Car phone empty, 3 and eir a queue out side it

Both Lockdown and Brexit are still contributing factors to the loss of physical retail as people order online, that's a fact.
Peoples behaviors have changed now due to the ongoing restrictions...
I'd attribute Easons, and Boots being packed as due to bored browsers, however people will just go online to buy expense items like phones.
Cafe's? Can't be ordered online!

facehugger99 wrote: »

Should we get fat people to sign something similar if they don't agree to lose a few pounds?

As mad as it sounds a covid would be much less an issue of obesity wasn’t as prevalent

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

As mad as it sounds a covid would be much less an issue of obesity wasn’t as prevalent

Very true. Obesity would be less of an issue if Alcohol wasn't available and sugary snacks!!!

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

As mad as it sounds a covid would be much less an issue of obesity wasn’t as prevalent

Really? By what percentage? Because i don’t think it’d have much of an affect at all.

Sure, Covid would be much less of an issue if we didn’t live into our 80’s too. I guess we should all die younger should we?

Degag wrote: »

Really? By what percentage? Because i don’t think it’d have much of an affect at all.

Sure, Covid would be much less of an issue if we didn’t live into our 80’s too. I guess we should all die younger should we?

The CDC found close to 80% of hospitalisations were overweight or obese.

Degag wrote: »

Really? By what percentage? Because i don’t think it’d have much of an affect at all.

Sure, Covid would be much less of an issue if we didn’t live into our 80’s too. I guess we should all die younger should we?

It wasn’t my intention to offend anyone

Buts it not a made up assumption

https://www.worldobesityday.org/assets/downloads/COVID-19_and_Obesity-The_2021_Atlas.pdf

As we show in this report, increased bodyweight is the second greatest predictor of hospitalisation and a high risk of death for people suffering from COVID-19. Only old age rates as a higher risk factor.
The unprecedented economic costs of COVID-19 are largely due to the measures taken to avoid the excess hospitalisation and need for treatment of the disease. Reducing one major risk factor, overweight, would have resulted in far less stress on health services and reduced the need to protect those services from being overwhelmed.
We show that in those countries where overweight affects only a minority of the adult population, the rates of death from COVID-19 are typically less than one tenth the levels found in countries where overweight affects the majority of adults.
We also show that the drivers of overweight – especially high levels of consumption of processed foods – are associated with mortality from COVID-19.

Unfortunately closing gyms and pools for about 6 of the last 7 months won’t help this issue in Ireland

It’s time to start understanding and following science