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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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  • #9632
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Wow, didn't think they would go with 60's.

    Well that's going to set us back a little seeing as the 60s are to be the ones called forward shortly

    They are in a difficult situation here now. Do they avoid giving any over 60s any the other vaccines and give them only Astra Zenica? This would mean 55-59 will probably be vaccinated before 60-69. Feels like Ireland are being overly cautious as usual.


  • #9633
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    they'll have to divert all remaining over 70s and the 60-69 to get AZ. We'll end up with AZ sitting around otherwise.

    If they'd gone 55+ (like France), that would bring in another 300,000 people for AZ. Surprised they've gone to 60


  • #9634
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    they'll have to divert all remaining over 70s and the 60-69 to get AZ. We'll end up with AZ sitting around otherwise.

    It’s a ****ing joke!!! I haven’t been this angry in long long time! So we’ll just wait and twiddle our thumbs so! AZ were the saviours now the clowns!


  • #9635
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,790 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    they'll have to divert all remaining over 70s and the 60-69 to get AZ. We'll end up with AZ sitting around otherwise.

    Perfectly doable - I imagine they will be able to use up their entire AZ supply in coming months no matter what.


  • #9636
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 939 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    they'll have to divert all remaining over 70s and the 60-69 to get AZ. We'll end up with AZ sitting around otherwise.

    We're only a few days short of the target to have all over 70's offered a first dose, there may not be enough over 70's to avoid a stockpile building.


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  • #9637
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,790 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Klonker wrote: »
    They are in a difficult situation here now. Do they avoid giving any over 60s of the other vaccines and give them only Astra Zenica? This would mean 55-59 will probably be vaccinated before 60-69. Feels like Ireland are being overly cautious as usual.

    Not necessarily - their attitude is that the vaccines are all in and around the same standard in terms of effectiveness, so they can give the over 60s any vaccine and whatever is available (as the first dose).


  • #9638
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭Miike


    Strazdas wrote: »
    As far as I know, no person who has received an AZ vaccine has developed blood clots after the second dose - therefore getting the follow up AZ dose 12 weeks later should not be an issue, no matter what their age.

    The official line is because of the limited experience in second dose candidates it cannot be ruled out :rolleyes: I'll take my chances with the second dose if that's an option.


  • #9639
    Sky King
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Sky King


    They'd hardly make it available privately to anyone who wants to roll the one in a hundred thousand dice?!?


  • #9640
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,468 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Perfectly doable - I imagine they will be able to use up their entire AZ supply in coming months no matter what.

    Highly unlikely to be honest.

    We're down to the age 70 bracket now so there's only 60-69 to be called forward that could now get AZ. It's not going to take months to get them done


  • #9641
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,790 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    If they'd gone 55+ (like France), that would bring in another 300,000 people for AZ. Surprised they've gone to 60

    On the other hand, it's almost a stroke of luck that only about 20% of Irish people are getting AZ - makes it much easier to manage.


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  • #9642
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Strazdas wrote: »
    As far as I know, no person who has received an AZ vaccine has developed blood clots after the second dose - therefore getting the follow up AZ dose 12 weeks later should not be an issue, no matter what their age.

    Problem is very few have gotten a second dose. Not enough to make a like for like comparison with the first dose. It'd be a while yet before risk for second dose is quantified.


  • #9643
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,468 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Not necessarily - their attitude is that the vaccines are all in and around the same standard in terms of effectiveness, so they can give the over 60s any vaccine and whatever is available (as the first dose).

    Would be surprised now if an operational decision wasn't taken to reduce the use of Pfizer to ensure the supply is there to move to the 50-59 age group in the next few weeks.

    Moderna don't deliver in big numbers & J&J aren't going to deliver in big numbers for a while yet


  • #9644
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,500 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    What about people under 60 that have already gotten one dose of AZ?


  • #9645
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 939 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This is also going to cause an enormous headache in that the 60-69 group likely won't have their second dose until August/September.

    Meanwhile basically every other adult age group will in theory (if supplies hold up) be covered by two doses or single dose J & J before them...


  • #9646
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,790 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Highly unlikely to be honest.

    We're down to the age 70 bracket now so there's only 60-69 to be called forward that could now get AZ. It's not going to take months to get them done

    But there must be many hundreds of thousands of people in Ireland in that bracket - most people are not dead by the age of 70.

    Also, there appears to be no issue with giving AZ as a second dose (so all of those hundreds of thousands will require their second dose).


  • #9647
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭Miike


    Deeper Blue wrote: »
    What about people under 60 that have already gotten one dose of AZ?

    No one knows at the moment. I wouldn't be remotely surprised if when the announcement is officially made that they don't even reference this specific issue.


  • #9648
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    How far could this set us back?


  • #9649
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    How much slower will it be now?
    Looking at in now only positive I can see is that the younger generation will he fully vaccinated faster, the generation under 45 which is driving case numbers! But have we enough??


  • #9650
    brendanwalsh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭brendanwalsh


    At this stage AstraZeneca is absolutely fcking worthless.


  • #9651
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    This is also going to cause an enormous headache in that the 60-69 group likely won't have their second dose until August/September.

    Meanwhile basically every other adult age group will in theory (if supplies hold up) be covered by two doses or single dose J & J before them...

    I very much doubt they'd leave the 60-69 group waiting just so they could use up all AZ doses. We know we'll have a surplus of vaccines at the end of this, and it's likely AZ will make up the majority of those. They'll be donated to Covax.


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  • #9652
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,790 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    How far could this set us back?

    Not that much I would think. The main people disrupted will be under 60s with underlying conditions, but it shouldn't take 'too' long to divert vaccine supplies in the various different directions.


  • #9653
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,251 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Is the NIACs recommendation likely to be implemented as is, or is there room for leeway?

    Over 60s seems a bit over-cautious for me.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • #9654
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Miike wrote: »
    No one knows at the moment. I wouldn't be remotely surprised if when the announcement is officially made that they don't even reference this specific issue.

    They should at least offer you the choice of getting your next dose as AZ. Mix and match could throw up another very rare reaction for all we know and where would that leave the programme?


  • #9655
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    We were due 813,000 AZ on Q2

    Now they can only be used in 60-69 year olds

    Disaster when reopening economy is linked to vaccination program


  • #9656
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,785 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Not that much I would think. The main people disrupted will be under 60s with underlying conditions, but it shouldn't take 'too' long to divert vaccine supplies in the various different directions.
    Where exactly is it supposed to go when the over 60s are done? I don't understand why you're downplaying this so much


  • #9657
    brendanwalsh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭brendanwalsh


    Anyone who got their first Az shot would rightly refuse the second shot at this point too


  • #9658
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,785 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    brendanwalsh wrote: »
    Anyone who got their first Az shot would rightly refuse the second shot at this point too
    why?


  • #9659
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    We need the official statement. I'd be stunned if cohort 4 and 7 are restricted from AZ. It may be RTÉ getting the lines crossed.


  • #9660
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,729 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Deeper Blue wrote: »
    What about people under 60 that have already gotten one dose of AZ?

    They have to send it back.


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  • #9661
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭Miike


    Turtwig wrote: »
    They should at least offer you the choice of getting your next dose as AZ. Mix and match could throw up another very rare reaction for all we know and where would that leave the programme?

    Mix and match hasn't been studied at all. We have zero trial data using mRNA vaccines as a prime booster and J&J is currently under review for clotting events. If it's going to be J&J just give me my second AZ dose.

    I either want the option of having my second dose or else having a full schedule of Pfizer or Moderna (not a single dose prime booster). I'm willing to perish on that rock too. I work in a high risk clinical environment. I want assurances that I'm being offered the opportunity to mount a robust immune response based on evidence and not whim.


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