COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

titan18 · 12-04-2021 01:07PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

On this, there will be no "offer" per say

Speaking to my GP this morning she say's you'll register online, validation of details, appointment to issue then. So whenever you register when your cohort is allowed, appointment follows. If the over 65 opened tomorrow for example they can register tomorrow or register in say 3 weeks time, doesn't matter when they register, it'll be open for them as long as vaccination is on going but she would expect most to jump at the chance straight away. That's her understanding of the process that's been explained to them.

After that the only choice you have is when the appointment is issued, Yes I want the vaccine appointment or No I don't want the appointment. After that it's pure luck as to whatever vaccine you get, she say's it'll be whatever is in use in the vaccination centre you go to & in line with NIAC adivse. So say if NIAC give for example AZ cut off at 40. Someone who's 41 will turn up and it could be any of the vaccines, someone who's 39 turns up and it's one of Pfizer, Moderna or J&J for example. Which one you get is whatever one is assigned to the MVC.

There'll be no choice, someone might have a preference but they won't be able to express said preference either.

Just aside from this, she's finished the over 70s dose 1 and is planning on doing a small number of cohort 4 next week, in particular she said in practice she is focusing on patients in cohort 4 that would need more personal attention and be familiar with her & might not be comfortable with a change of setting or change of doctor etc for which it might be upsetting.

She's got an excellent set up over there

Course there's still a choice, if you turn up at the centre and they go AZ, you can turn around and walk back out. Not like they'll physically drag you into the chair to take it. You'll still need the vaccination so if there's an amount of people who wont take AZ but will take another, you just have to refuse it and wait til they allow a choice. That's obviously far easier for the younger group too as it won't be very long after most likely.

Strazdas · 12-04-2021 01:09PM

titan18 wrote: »

Course there's still a choice, if you turn up at the centre and they go AZ, you can turn around and walk back out. Not like they'll physically drag you into the chair to take it. You'll still need the vaccination so if there's an amount of people who wont take AZ but will take another, you just have to refuse it and wait til they allow a choice. That's obviously far easier for the younger group too as it won't be very long after most likely.

Well, you are informed in advance what vaccine you are receiving : if it's AZ for example, your notification text will tell you this.

snotboogie · 12-04-2021 01:12PM

12k vaccines administered on the 10th.

titan18 · 12-04-2021 01:12PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Well, you are informed in advance what vaccine you are receiving : if it's AZ for example, your notification text will tell you this.

Ah ok, even easier to not turn up then. It's obviously difficult to do it now as going to the back of the queue is a 3-4 month wait most likely. It'll be very easy for anyone in the sub 30 group to do it though if AZ isn't ruled out for them.

Sanjuro · 12-04-2021 01:18PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Having read some stories on here of GPs being very short with people and not that welcoming I do feel lucky to have a GP that's very approachable. You don't feel like a thick going down for something that you think is minor and might be a waste of her time.

My mam's friend has a GP who has never computerised. Does everything with paper and pencil. Real old school type. Unsurprisingly, it's been absolute chaos trying to get his patients vaccinated. Said friend is 75. Not a sign of getting even the first dose so far.

stephenjmcd · 12-04-2021 01:20PM

Sanjuro wrote: »

My mam's friend has a GP who has never computerised. Does everything with paper and pencil. Real old school type. Unsurprisingly, it's been absolute chaos trying to get his patients vaccinated. Said friend is 75. Not a sign of getting even the first dose so far.

No idea how anyone could work like that especially a GP

Sanjuro · 12-04-2021 01:20PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

No idea how anyone could work like that especially a GP

It's baffling.

iamwhoiam · 12-04-2021 01:24PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

No idea how anyone could work like that especially a GP

We were 40 years with such a GP . We changed over a year ago and so glad we did . The new lady is so efficient and everything computerised . I can’t get over it !

iamwhoiam · 12-04-2021 01:28PM

Strazdas wrote: »

I assume people are being contacted by their GPs anyway with an appointment? Some older people wouldn't even be online or have access to the internet. The portal is probably just an added way of making sure you get an appointment.

Paul Reid said there would be two ways to register . Online on the portal or we will be given a helpline phone number who will talk you through registration
The appointment will be via the portal or hepline and with a text , not via GPs

CrabRevolution · 12-04-2021 01:43PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

No idea how anyone could work like that especially a GP

I found it a bit strange how supremely confident the GPs' body was in stating that certain parts of the vaccine rollout can be handled 100% by GPs. Surely they themselves are aware of colleagues whose "database" consists of a mountain of paper folders, many of which cover patients who may not have darkened their door in years, which would have to be sorted and read through manually in order to dig out the relevant data.

I suppose they're safe in the knowledge that even if it's a failure at the GP level, the HSE will be blamed.

josip · 12-04-2021 01:48PM

Sanjuro wrote: »

My mam's friend has a GP who has never computerised. Does everything with paper and pencil. Real old school type. Unsurprisingly, it's been absolute chaos trying to get his patients vaccinated. Said friend is 75. Not a sign of getting even the first dose so far.

You'd have to wonder if GPs who are still working with paper and pencil are also overly relying on what they learned in their early days.

iamwhoiam · 12-04-2021 01:48PM

CrabRevolution wrote: »

I found it a bit strange how supremely confident the GPs' body was in stating that certain parts of the vaccine rollout can be handled 100% by GPs. Surely they themselves are aware of colleagues whose "database" consists of a mountain of paper folders, many of which cover patients who may not have darkened their door in years, which would have to be sorted and read through manually in order to dig out the relevant data.

I suppose they're safe in the knowledge that even if it's a failure at the GP level, the HSE will be blamed.

Over 70 should be ok . The HSE have a data base of over 70 because they have a Free GP card . They are assigned to a GP and the HSE were sending that list to GP of all over 70 registered in that practice

crossman47 · 12-04-2021 02:02PM

Sanjuro wrote: »

My mam's friend has a GP who has never computerised. Does everything with paper and pencil. Real old school type. Unsurprisingly, it's been absolute chaos trying to get his patients vaccinated. Said friend is 75. Not a sign of getting even the first dose so far.

I did think from the start that a number of so called problems stemmed from GPs like this.

Rebelbrowser · 12-04-2021 02:13PM

Sorry if asked already, but with everything being a bit of a moveable feast, how do they decide on cut off dates for each age cohort does anyone know? Say, to pick an example, the next cohort is 65-69 and you turn 65 on 5 May. Is it only people aged 65-69 on a given day (and, if so, what day?) or would a GP include, say, everyone turning 65 this year as its very hard to pick a date otherwise?

12-04-2021 02:17PM

CrabRevolution wrote: »

I found it a bit strange how supremely confident the GPs' body was in stating that certain parts of the vaccine rollout can be handled 100% by GPs. Surely they themselves are aware of colleagues whose "database" consists of a mountain of paper folders, many of which cover patients who may not have darkened their door in years, which would have to be sorted and read through manually in order to dig out the relevant data.

I suppose they're safe in the knowledge that even if it's a failure at the GP level, the HSE will be blamed.

Sure I had experts on here telling me everything is digitised and could be accessed to figure out the at-risk categories. :rolleyes:

Turtwig · 12-04-2021 02:20PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sure I had experts on here telling me everything is digitised and could be accessed to figure out the at-risk categories. :rolleyes:

That was in relation to coding within a patients hospital files. I don't recall any poster saying to you that gps would use those.

vienne86 · 12-04-2021 02:23PM

Rebelbrowser wrote: »

Sorry if asked already, but with everything being a bit of a moveable feast, how do they decide on cut off dates for each age cohort does anyone know? Say, to pick an example, the next cohort is 65-69 and you turn 65 on 5 May. Is it only people aged 65-69 on a given day (and, if so, what day?) or would a GP include, say, everyone turning 65 this year as its very hard to pick a date otherwise?

I was wondering that, not in relation to myself though. I have a friend turning 70 in the last week of April, but an article in the Irish Times on Saturday says IMO says anyone turning 70 in April should be included in Cohort 3.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/gps-advised-not-to-administer-astrazeneca-jab-until-committee-reports-back-1.4534281

Where would it end though......how about someone now 69, but 70 by the time they get vaccinated?

Rebelbrowser · 12-04-2021 02:28PM

vienne86 wrote: »

I was wondering that, not in relation to myself though. I have a friend turning 70 in the last week of April, but an article in the Irish Times on Saturday says IMO says anyone turning 70 in April should be included in Cohort 3.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/gps-advised-not-to-administer-astrazeneca-jab-until-committee-reports-back-1.4534281

Where would it end though......how about someone now 69, but 70 by the time they get vaccinated?

Exactly. I have self interest I should say as turning 45 in late summer!

ACitizenErased · 12-04-2021 02:31PM

NIAC to recommend restriction of AstraZeneca vaccine for over-60s
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0412/1209247-coronavirus-vaccine-ireland/

stephenjmcd · 12-04-2021 02:32PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

NIAC to recommend restriction of AstraZeneca vaccine for over-60s
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0412/1209247-coronavirus-vaccine-ireland/

Wow, didn't think they would go with 60's.

Well that's going to set us back a little seeing as the 60s are to be the ones called forward shortly

12-04-2021 02:33PM

Christ, have they a figure on how many under 60's have been given their first dose of it?

Cork2021 · 12-04-2021 02:34PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

NIAC to recommend restriction of AstraZeneca vaccine for over-60s
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0412/1209247-coronavirus-vaccine-ireland/

Not being funny or anything, but are they having a fûcking laugh?? This is a serious **** up! How many over 60’s have been given 1’shot of either Pfizer/Moderna and how many have 2? This is just seriously slowing things down!

Miike · 12-04-2021 02:35PM

I dread to imagine what their plan is for people waiting on their second dose (myself included). If they take the route of offering a single Pfizer dose as the prime booster (as opposed to full schedule of 2 doses) or J&J I'm going to be fairly miffed.

vienne86 · 12-04-2021 02:35PM

So having already decided it wouldn't be given to 70+, that just leaves the 60-69s to get it.

stephenjmcd · 12-04-2021 02:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Christ, have they a figure on how many under 60's have been given their first dose of it?

Plenty, most countries though are going ahead with the dose 2 if they've already got dose 1.

The mix and match isn't approved, would be shocked if it was implemented here. Can't see an issue with going ahead with dose 2 for those that have had 1

12-04-2021 02:36PM

Cork2021 wrote: »

Not being funny or anything, but are they having a fûcking laugh?? This is a serious **** up! How many over 60’s have been given 1’shot of either Pfizer/Moderna and how many have 2? This is just seriously slowing things down!

It basically limits it to people from 60 - 69. A lot of whom may now turn it down.

ACitizenErased · 12-04-2021 02:36PM

they'll have to divert all remaining over 70s and the 60-69 to get AZ. We'll end up with AZ sitting around otherwise.

Strazdas · 12-04-2021 02:37PM

Miike wrote: »

I dread to imagine what their plan is for people waiting on their second dose (myself included). If they take the route of offering a single Pfizer dose as the prime booster (as opposed to full schedule of 2 doses) or J&J I'm going to be fairly miffed.

As far as I know, no person who has received an AZ vaccine has developed blood clots after the second dose - therefore getting the follow up AZ dose 12 weeks later should not be an issue, no matter what their age.

12-04-2021 02:38PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Plenty, most countries though are going ahead with the dose 2 if they've already got dose 1.

The mix and match isn't approved, would be shocked if it was implemented here

I wonder will many refuse the second dose if we go ahead with them.

Van.Bosch · 12-04-2021 02:39PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

they'll have to divert all remaining over 70s and the 60-69 to get AZ. We'll end up with AZ sitting around otherwise.

Time for a new roadmap!

COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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