COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

JTMan · 04-04-2021 07:19PM

Interesting that in the US the one shot J&J jab has become the preferred shot for the homeless.

Attempts to give Moderna or Pfizer to the homeless resulted in those giving the vaccines unable to find the person for the second dose over 40% of the time so J&J is now the preferred shot.

Maybe the Irish government could learn from this, and whenever they are planning to do street vaccines (I guess at a later stage?) then maybe it should be the J&J jab that is given.

lbj666 · 04-04-2021 07:29PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes it is women who are affected, I am on another uk site mumsnet and there is major concern from a lot of the women on there. Not hysteria but links to media etc that show that these clots appear in women of my age group so it would mean it would be a lot more likely for me than a man or older woman.

I completely get that I will be near the end of the queue if I don't take it, I am not an antivaxer, I have been actively seeking it out for my husband and father, I get the flu vaccine every year, but this is really concerning me.

I also fear I will get it Friday and our government will then do a u-turn and only use it in the older age groups.

If you are getting it Friday, you are in an at risk category you said you have athmsa and there is then good reason you have been prioritised never mind recommended to take a vacine like all of us.

Ask yourself this,
Unjabbed.
1.what are the odds of you getting covid when society starts opening up (could be quiet hard to avoid)
2. What are then the chances of a severe illness due to your asthma or worse.

Vs

Getting jabbed and getting blood clots? Specially what are the odds of a woman of child bearing age getting severely ill or dieing based on stats at the minute.

You don't need an exact approximation.

Which of the above have odds in the 1:100s to 1:1000s around and which of the above is in the 1:100,000s probably more.

The EMA said already you have more chance of getting covid and getting blood clots from that than getting blood clots from the vacines.

Wolf359f · 04-04-2021 07:30PM

JTMan wrote: »

Interesting that in the US the one shot J&J jab has become the preferred shot for the homeless.

Attempts to give Moderna or Pfizer to the homeless resulted in those giving the vaccines unable to find the person for the second dose over 40% of the time so J&J is now the preferred shot.

Maybe the Irish government could learn from this, and whenever they are planning to do street vaccines (I guess at a later stage?) then maybe it should be the J&J jab that is given.

Would make sence, homeless and perhaps the at risk groups, Roma & traveller community etc...
I doubt they will be grouped together with the rest of the population.

hmmm · 04-04-2021 07:39PM

Gottlieb's messaging has been on-point throughout this I think, and this is more of it. The US are a bit ahead of us (for the US he says Spring, for us it looks like late Summer) but the message still resonates.

https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1378724430399082497

charlie14 · 04-04-2021 08:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I just think it's a potentially very dangerous road to go down. Our ancient liberties contingent on displaying an app to do everyday activities and to take part in society. There is also the potential for it to morph into a social credit system.

I find what's going on in Israel to be horrifying. A two-tiered society. Seats in restaurants for the vaccinated only, the unvaccinated cut off from society. Once the government can coerce people into taking a medical treatment the people cease to be free.

Once there is sufficient herd immunity in the population then normal life should resume. No coercion, no threats of exclusion from activities and public places. I would have no problem with vaccination being required for international travel. That's the case already for yellow fever, for example.

I do not see how it infringing on anyone`s civil liberties to avail of a vaccine that in the last year has killed 2.85 million worldwide, when it doesn`t to do the same for something like yellow fever that kills on average 30 thousand a year.
Far as I`m concerned your civil liberties do not extend in you putting the rest of society at risk. Especially when the civil liberties of the rest of society have been put on hold to achieve herd immunity by means of vaccination.
If someone does not wish to avail of a vaccine for whatever reason, then I do not see why they should expect to partake of the liberties made possible by the vast majority that have, without, at the very least, having an up to date negative test result.

embraer170 · 04-04-2021 08:13PM

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Update: Talking to a family friend who uses the same GP practice, he is 77 and hasn't had his first dose yet, he's also been told two weeks before there is any delivery to the practice at all.

So my 73 and 74 year old parents, at a wild guess, will now be at the end of April, despite all the promises about "first dose before mid April". This is a big GPs practice by the way, nothing out of the ordinary.

My mom who is 75 and quite weak and a bad health history including a few strokes has been told end of April for the first dose (but still no appointment) This is in a very large GP practise.

What I don't get is that the same practise was extremely quick in vaccinating my (admittedly much older) father.

lbj666 · 04-04-2021 08:54PM

charlie14 wrote: »

I do not see how it infringing on anyone`s civil liberties to avail of a vaccine that in the last year has killed 2.85 million worldwide, when it doesn`t to do the same for something like yellow fever that kills on average 30 thousand a year.
Far as I`m concerned your civil liberties do not extend in you putting the rest of society at risk. Especially when the civil liberties of the rest of society have been put on hold to achieve herd immunity by means of vaccination.
If someone does not wish to avail of a vaccine for whatever reason, then I do not see why they should expect to partake of the liberties made possible by the vast majority that have, without, at the very least, having an up to date negative test result.

With civil liberties I am more concerned about how to get the surveillance license off all the curtain twitchers once this is over.

Marhay70 · 04-04-2021 09:05PM

maestroamado wrote: »

I assume the HSE are in charge of people requesting vaccine but i may be wrong.

How can people jump queue if this is managed properly.

No matter who is requesting it, it's the person who takes up the request who is dishonest.

maestroamado · 04-04-2021 09:12PM

Marhay70 wrote: »

No matter who is requesting it, it's the person who takes up the request who is dishonest.

If there was a proper system in place in the HSE it would not be possible to book an appointment so the fault lies within the system.
The appointments are arranged internally...

Gael23 · 04-04-2021 09:16PM

What’s the difference between groups 4 and 5 on the priority life?

timsey tiger · 04-04-2021 09:21PM

maestroamado wrote: »

I read an article today where Paul Reid said that people jumping the queue was "regrettable" was the word he used.
Who is responsible for this, is it him or the minister...

I find it hard to believe that nobody is calling for disiplinary action. I'd imagine a step back of 3 or 4 increments would be appropriate or maybe demotions. For the queue jumpers that is, the HSE should be allowed assume that its employees are honourable.

timsey tiger · 04-04-2021 09:27PM

lbj666 wrote: »

With civil liberties I am more concerned about how to get the surveillance license off all the curtain twitchers once this is over.

I take it you are fine with all sorts of anti-social behavour in your community. Or is it just the types you approve of?

Water John · 04-04-2021 09:50PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

I find it hard to believe that nobody is calling for disiplinary action. I'd imagine a step back of 3 or 4 increments would be appropriate or maybe demotions. For the queue jumpers that is, the HSE should be allowed assume that its employees are honourable.

Everyone is annoyed with queue jumpers, for two reasons. Firstly, the obvious one and the second is it giving oxygen to the anti brigade.
However the total number seems 200 out of 1M vaccines, so propotionality in the response.

maestroamado · 04-04-2021 10:05PM

Water John wrote: »

Everyone is annoyed with queue jumpers, for two reasons. Firstly, the obvious one and the second is it giving oxygen to the anti brigade.
However the total number seems 200 out of 1M vaccines, so propotionality in the response.

Where did you get the figure of 200, it was going on everywhere in the country.

Micky 32 · 04-04-2021 10:13PM

maestroamado wrote: »

Where did you get the figure of 200, it was going on everywhere in the country.

I personally know a couple who jumped the Q due to vaccines “left over”.

Dickie10 · 04-04-2021 10:22PM

how many were vaccineated today?

hynesie08 · 04-04-2021 10:33PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

how many were vaccineated today?

We don't find out on the day, we'll know Wednesday.

JPup · 04-04-2021 10:56PM

firemansam4 wrote: »

Again I would like to know the source of these links causing such concern? It is a worry that such sites are causing people to fear taking the vaccine.

The chances of you being in a motor collision would be far higher than the events being reported, do you still have the same fear stepping into a car or onto a bus or something?

Yet the chances of catching covid and suffering long term health problems or even death from it are much more likely and it would be a shame if many women decide to take there chances with covid over the risk of very rare blood clotting risks that are being reported.

To be fair. It’s not like it’s a few random websites and forums spreading fear here. The blood clot issue does seem to affect women of child bearing age almost exclusively and several European countries including Germany and France are advising women in that age category not to take it.

I think in this case since the lady posting here has asthma and is therefore high risk, it makes sense to go ahead with it even if it is the AstraZeneca vaccine being offered. But I would recommend discussing your concerns on the day with the doctor on duty.

Kivaro · 04-04-2021 11:11PM

JPup wrote: »

To be fair. It’s not like it’s a few random websites and forums spreading fear here. The blood clot issue does seem to affect women of child bearing age almost exclusively and several European countries including Germany and France are advising women in that age category not to take it.

I think in this case since the lady posting here has asthma and is therefore high risk, it makes sense to go ahead with it even if it is the AstraZeneca vaccine being offered. But I would recommend discussing your concerns on the day with the doctor on duty.

Yes, for the lady concerned about her asthma condition and getting the Astrazenca vaccine, there will be a doctor in the vaccination centre who is there specifically to answer those types of questions.

Wolf359f · 04-04-2021 11:20PM

JPup wrote: »

To be fair. It’s not like it’s a few random websites and forums spreading fear here. The blood clot issue does seem to affect women of child bearing age almost exclusively and several European countries including Germany and France are advising women in that age category not to take it.

I think in this case since the lady posting here has asthma and is therefore high risk, it makes sense to go ahead with it even if it is the AstraZeneca vaccine being offered. But I would recommend discussing your concerns on the day with the doctor on duty.

That's the thing, the benefits far outweigh the risk from AZ.
However, once all underlying conditions are vaccinated and we get down to the younger cohorts with no underlying condition, that discussion will appear again.

maestroamado · 04-04-2021 11:26PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I personally know a couple who jumped the Q due to vaccines “left over”.

I personally know quite a few HSE admin staff who have had vaccine....

ACitizenErased · 04-04-2021 11:30PM

maestroamado wrote: »

I personally know quite a few HSE admin staff who have had vaccine....

The complaining about workers essential to the operation of our health service getting the vaccine before anyone else is beyond old at this stage

theguzman · 04-04-2021 11:32PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The complaining about workers essential to the operation of our health service getting the vaccine before anyone else is beyond old at this stage

The only thing HSE admin workers are good at is draining funds out of the healthcare system, the vast majority of them should be fired.

ACitizenErased · 04-04-2021 11:35PM

theguzman wrote: »

The only thing HSE admin workers are good at is draining funds out of the healthcare system, the vast majority of them should be fired.

Real original, good effort

Van.Bosch · 04-04-2021 11:44PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The complaining about workers essential to the operation of our health service getting the vaccine before anyone else is beyond old at this stage

Honest question - do you think a HSE worker who 100% works from home should get the vaccine (cohort 2) ahead of someone in cohort 4 for example?

ACitizenErased · 04-04-2021 11:45PM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Honest question - do you think a HSE worker who 100% works from home should get the vaccine (cohort 2) ahead of someone in cohort 4 for example?

If it means they can get back into the hospital and get the health system up and running again then yup. And it's not like they're getting it 'before' group 4, they're running concurrently.

nibtrix · 04-04-2021 11:50PM

Gael23 wrote: »

What’s the difference between groups 4 and 5 on the priority life?

Group 4 is aged 16-69 at VERY high risk.
Group 5 is aged 65-69 at high risk.

You can click in and see the specific lists of conditions that define VERY high risk and High risk here https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/rollout/rollout.html

Micky 32 · 04-04-2021 11:50PM

maestroamado wrote: »

I personally know quite a few HSE admin staff who have had vaccine....

The people i know are ordinary joe soaps and got it before the general public were eligible.

Wolf359f · 04-04-2021 11:59PM

eagle eye wrote: »

It's a big concern for women. It'd make sense to offer them the Pfizer vaccine just for peace of mind.

But men are also at risk, albeit a much smaller risk. But not to offer men Pfizer would be an issue.
It's a concern for women, I think after all at risk with underlying conditions are done, then with the younger women, don't offer them a choice, just only allow them have Pfizer. Bringing a choice into it then makes it even more complicated.
Women get a choice but men don't?
Woman's body, Woman's choice, Men don't get a say?

maestroamado · 05-04-2021 12:00AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The complaining about workers essential to the operation of our health service getting the vaccine before anyone else is beyond old at this stage

I am stating facts that HSE office staff are getting the vaccine which has being confirmed as not front line staff.
Paul Reid said it was "regrettable" today. These are facts.
Where do you see a complaint in this....

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