COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

JTMan

Interesting how vaccine passports will work in the UK as reported by the Sunday Times here (paywall).

- New NHS app confirming that the holder has had the jab, a recent negative test or Covid-19 in the previous six months.
- Not required for smaller social gatherings such as pubs, restaurants, gyms, non-essential retail etc.
- Is required for larger gatherings such as concerts, cinemas, stadiums etc

Del Griffith

How is the attached possible, assuming the EU distribute vaccines per capita?

Sanjuro

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

I don't like how Leo has handled things recently any more than I respect the government at the moment.


But the simple fact is that Leo being a doctor and vaccinating patients does far more as "a leader" than the wet rag that is Micheal Martin.

Yeah, I would be in agreement with you there. Not a fan of the guy, but can't knock him for actually being there doing the front line work himself.

Dubh Geannain

Del Griffith wrote: »

How is the attached possible, assuming the EU distribute vaccines per capita?

Must have been that order of Malta

matrim

Del Griffith wrote: »

How is the attached possible, assuming the EU distribute vaccines per capita?

Do you mean malta? They went outside of the EU process

Banana Republic 1

Sanjuro wrote: »

Yeah, I would be in agreement with you there. Not a fan of the guy, but can't knock him for actually being there doing the front line work himself.

Ya the spin doctor himself mixing with the plebeians.

Del Griffith

matrim wrote: »

Do you mean malta? They went outside of the EU process

No they didn't, to the best of my knowledge anyway (I'm in Malta). Have you any link to that?

The media is saying its due to ordering the maximum amount and a streamlined process from landing to getting into arms. If accurate that is highlighting the incompetence of doing it though GP offices.

matrim

Del Griffith wrote: »

No they didn't, to the best of my knowledge anyway (I'm in Malta). Have you any link to that?

Looks like you’re right and I had misread something about it before. I can’t find mention of it either when I went to look

PhoenixParker

I think its something to do with logistics. Like pfizer can only deliver in multiples of about 20k so they deliver one 20k unit to Malta each week as that's their lower limit with the result that Malta gets a disproportionate amount of vaccine because the population is only 440000.

It's not simply getting more vaccines in arms because Ireland have over 90% in arms.

Zhane

JTMan wrote: »

Amazing what the mRNA technology, supercharged by Covid, is now able to achieve with generating an antibody response with other diseases ...

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1378470169484402693

This is amazing.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Ireland deliveries (as of Friday 26th) vs usage (as of Wednesday 31st): storage

AZ 228K vs 188k: 40k
Pf 654k vs 642k: 32k
Md 68k vs 34k: 34k

Not sure if this has been posted before.

Amazing to see how low Astra Zenaca deliveries have been over the last few weeks. Pfizer carrying the responsibility for scaling up the vaccine program.

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/2cbc2-update-on-covid-19-vaccine-deliveries-31-march-2021/

Turtwig

If Pfizer Biontech had a major supply hiccup we'd likely have been fcked with extreme restrictions until Sept or later!

timsey tiger

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Ireland deliveries (as of Friday 26th) vs usage (as of Wednesday 31st): storage

AZ 228K vs 188k: 40k
Pf 654k vs 642k: 32k
Md 68k vs 34k: 34k

Not sure if this has been posted before.

Amazing to see how low Astra Zenaca deliveries have been over the last few weeks. Pfizer carrying the responsibility for scaling up the vaccine program.

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/2cbc2-update-on-covid-19-vaccine-deliveries-31-march-2021/

I think that there was a big delivery of AZ (~100k) in week 12 hours after this data was published.

Klonker

What kind of percentage do people think we'll get for vaccine take up in our adult population? From all we are hearing its very high but this will inevitably drop as we go down the age groups.

England seem to be having problems with take up in minority groups. This should be less of an issue here as we have a much smaller minority population as a percentage.

An issue that I haven't heard much about but I think will be a bit of an issue here and in places like England is take up by Eastern Europeans of vaccines. From talking to friends a large percentage are very against the vaccines. The vaccine passports may help here though, they'd need to pay for PCR tests everytime they flew home and back otherwise. A don't know how some of those countries will deal with it back home, take will be very low. Hopefully they can get high take up in their old and vulnerable at least.

CIARAN_BOYLE

timsey tiger wrote: »

I think that there was a big delivery of AZ (~100k) in week 12 hours after this data was published.

There may have been. I'm really curious what the next weeks deliveries will look like. AZ had been promising massive deliveries to Europe in the last few days of q1 for a while.

timsey tiger

Thursdays figures published 27,710 shots approx 5% down on the week before. Very disapointing.

Dressoutlet

Klonker wrote: »

What kind of percentage do people think we'll get for vaccine take up in our adult population? From all we are hearing its very high but this will inevitably drop as we go down the age groups.

England seem to be having problems with take up in minority groups. This should be less of an issue here as we have a much smaller minority population as a percentage.

An issue that I haven't heard much about but I think will be a bit of an issue here and in places like England is take up by Eastern Europeans of vaccines. From talking to friends a large percentage are very against the vaccines. The vaccine passports may help here though, they'd need to pay for PCR tests everytime they flew home and back otherwise. A don't know how some of those countries will deal with it back home, take will be very low. Hopefully they can get high take up in their old and vulnerable at least.

Anecdotally, none of my Eastern European friends/neighbours/Parents of my children's friends/husbands coworkers are getting any vaccine and most think it's a Scamdemic to control us

JTMan

Klonker wrote: »

What kind of percentage do people think we'll get for vaccine take up in our adult population? From all we are hearing its very high but this will inevitably drop as we go down the age groups.

According to a survey, in February 2021:
- 77% will take it.
- 15% are unsure.
- 6% will refuse to take it.
- More will refuse in younger age groups.

Regarding the 15% ... Once we are done with the 77%, we need to educate (advertisements etc) and incentivise the 15%. In Israel, municipalities have given out free drinks, pizza and cholent, a traditional beef stew, as an enticement. In Dubai, some restaurants have offered discounts of up to 20% for those who have received their shots.

In the US, there has been a slight reduction in vaccine hesitancy in recent weeks. Hopefully the same will happen here.

1huge1

timsey tiger wrote: »

Thursdays figures published 27,710 shots approx 5% down on the week before. Very disapointing.

You sure?, I thought Thursday the 25th had 27,490 vaccines distributed.

Lucas Hood

timsey tiger wrote: »

Thursdays figures published 27,710 shots approx 5% down on the week before. Very disapointing.

Nonsense. There was 27915 done. An increase not a decrease.

stephenjmcd

timsey tiger wrote: »

Thursdays figures published 27,710 shots approx 5% down on the week before. Very disapointing.

Might need to recheck your numbers for Thursday

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/vaccination-programme-dashboard-as-of-01-april-2021.pdf

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/vaccination-programme-dashboard-as-of-25-march-2021.pdf

Apogee

It's not straightforward to make direct comparisons between days, as the numbers keep changing.

Number of doses administered for Thur 25th March was initially reported as 27,427. But by the following Wed, that number had increased to 28,870. We can't see what happens after that.

So Holy Thurs number of 27,710 compares very well, assuming it'll also increase over the next few days.

Mon-Thur: 83,900

higster

Anyone have an idea how “selection” for cohort 4 is done. I’ve type2 diabetes and last blood test would be over the HbA1C ≥58mmol/mol cut off going by the hse web page. Same page says Hospital or disability services will contact you when it’s your turn to be vaccinated...my clinic hasn’t been run for over a year and next appoit is January! Doc has said done through clinic and she is concentrating on over 70s and then retiring 😖. Tried to get onto clinic via phone with no luck. Any ideas what should/can do? Thanks.

hynesie08

Paul Reid saying we administered over 30000 vaccine doses on Good Friday.

1huge1

hynesie08 wrote: »

Paul Reid saying we administered over 30000 vaccine doses on Good Friday.

To reach the 860k target for this month (down from 1m), we need to average 28.66k over the month, this bodes well for meeting that target at least.

charlie14

JTMan wrote: »

According to a survey, in February 2021:
- 77% will take it.
- 15% are unsure.
- 6% will refuse to take it.
- More will refuse in younger age groups.

Regarding the 15% ... Once we are done with the 77%, we need to educate (advertisements etc) and incentivise the 15%. In Israel, municipalities have given out free drinks, pizza and cholent, a traditional beef stew, as an enticement. In Dubai, some restaurants have offered discounts of up to 20% for those who have received their shots.

In the US, there has been a slight reduction in vaccine hesitancy in recent weeks. Hopefully the same will happen here.

I would have no problem with attempting to educate that 15%, but I would most definitely draw the line at offering them "free" goodies at taxpayers expense to avail of a vaccine that is also being provided "free" of charge at taxpayers expense.


If for whatever reason they do not wish to avail of a vaccine that is for the benefit of the rest of population, then they should be made very much aware that the benefits the rest of the population will gain from being vaccinated will not be extended to them or the 6% who say they will refuse to avail of the vaccine, other than from them having up to date negative test results.

Elessar

Cool video showing how Pfizer make their vaccine in Belgium:

https://www.independent.ie/videos/pfizer-shows-how-they-produce-their-covid-19-vaccine-for-worldwide-distribution-40268560.html

irishlad.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit#gid=502588836

Half of all over 70's have now got their first dose

hmmm

charlie14 wrote: »

If for whatever reason they do not wish to avail of a vaccine that is for the benefit of the rest of population, then they should be made very much aware that the benefits the rest of the population will gain from being vaccinated will not be extended to them or the 6% who say they will refuse to avail of the vaccine, other than from them having up to date negative test results.

I can't see any moral justification for adhering to restrictions once everyone has been offered a vaccine and has received one, but there is the practical problem of a large unvaccinated group filling up our hospitals.

Other countries are in intensive discussions about vaccine passports as a means of reducing the risk from unvaccinated people, but I don't find much discussion in Ireland. This is like the vaccines all over again - vaccine passports are more-than-likely inevitable, it's not acceptable for the government to wait until June/July to start considering this. They should be doing this now.

Bubbaclaus

irishlad. wrote: »

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit#gid=502588836

Half of all over 70's have now got their first dose

The CSO estimated 496k over 70s in Ireland for 2020. If we say that 25k or so of them are in nursing homes, the group 4 figure is probably closer to 475k and first doses might start to taper off at the 450k mark (assuming 5% of that age group won't take the vaccine might be high, but there will be a certain amount that won't for whatever reason).

Looking good to have all the over 70s first dosed soon in any case.