COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

Stark · 03-04-2021 03:11PM

Hard to know. Good chance the surplus in September/October will be used for schoolchildren or donated to Covax.

hmmm · 03-04-2021 03:11PM

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/30/world/americas/chile-vaccination-cases-surge.html

"While more than six million of the country’s 18 million people have been vaccinated, a surge in infections has left intensive-care units operating with few beds to spare and the system at a breaking point."

Chile has done really well to vaccinate large numbers of people, but they re-opened too early and have had to go back into lockdown.

Sono Topolino · 03-04-2021 03:16PM

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

Where was that confirmed?

No official confirmation as of yet, but my doctor friends are taking it as a given. One in particular is smug about getting the Pfizer vaccine, which seems to provide the best defense against new variants. Also this study by Charité -- Universitätsmedizin Berlin supports the position that regular booster shots will be needed until the pandemic is under control: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/03/210325115420.htm

Novavax and Moderna are developing a combined Sars-CoV-2/Influenza jab, and people in the pharma and medical establishment are operating on the basis that people who have gotten certain jabs (AstraZeneca being the main one now) are going to need to get booster shots sooner than others.

Icantthinkof1 · 03-04-2021 03:20PM

I had heard that the likelihood is we’ll be given boosters in the Autumn but had not heard that it is only for those who got the AZ vaccine

ACitizenErased · 03-04-2021 03:20PM

Sono Topolino wrote: »

No official confirmation as of yet, but my doctor friends are taking it as a given. One in particular is smug about getting the Pfizer vaccine, which seems to provide the best defense against new variants. Also this study by Charité -- Universitätsmedizin Berlin supports the position that regular booster shots will be needed until the pandemic is under control: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/03/210325115420.htm

Novavax and Moderna are developing a combined Sars-CoV-2/Influenza jab, and people in the pharma and medical establishment are operating on the basis that people who have gotten certain jabs (AstraZeneca being the main one now) are going to need to get booster shots sooner than others.

That explains the stance then

ACitizenErased · 03-04-2021 03:20PM

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

I had heard that the likelihood is we’ll be given boosters in the Autumn but had not heard that it is only for those who got the AZ vaccine

The post is nonsense, ignore it

Sono Topolino · 03-04-2021 03:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Could you get an Astra now (fully protected June/July) and when supplies are plentiful say in September/October could you get Pfzier for extra assurance?

"The best vaccine you can get is the earliest one"

Would you be allowed medically to take multiple vaccines at a point in the future?

You cannot get the Pfizer vaccine (or any vaccine for that matter) privately unless you have friends in high places. If you are going to get an additional vaccine, you'll have to obtain it through some form of government vaccination scheme.

The view at the moment is that the vaccinated are vaccinated and in no need of further protection for now. This will change in the future, of this I have no doubt. But as things stand, no official decision has been made regarding booster shots has been taken.

However, it is likely that by October the government will carry out a review and based on the evidence at that point in time, and the expected availability of booster doses, a decision will be made.

GeorgeBailey · 03-04-2021 03:25PM

Seeing people meeting out and about in the sun today I really think the rule of only meeting one other household outside was a mistake. It's quite clearly stupid and has been widely ignored for a long time anyway. But if you can, quite understandably, come to the conclusion that one of the rules is nonsense then you can dismiss the rule makers as clowns who don't have a clue and then other, more important rules, can be dismissed too.

IMO they should just be issuing general guidance re outdoor meetings. E.g, if you want to meet people please do so outside and don't gather in large groups... and for the love of jaysus don't call into someone's house afterwards for a cup of tea (or something stronger!)

03-04-2021 03:26PM

Sono Topolino wrote: »

You cannot get the Pfizer vaccine (or any vaccine for that matter) privately unless you have friends in high places. If you are going to get an additional vaccine, you'll have to obtain it through some form of government vaccination scheme.

The view at the moment is that the vaccinated are vaccinated and in no need of further protection for now. This will change in the future, of this I have no doubt. But as things stand, no official decision has been made regarding booster shots has been taken.

However, it is likely that by October the government will carry out a review and based on the evidence at that point in time, and the expected availability of booster doses, a decision will be made.

The only reason you cannot get multiple vaccines currently is supply constraints.

We will be awash with vaccines in September/October.

My question is a medical question, not a supply question.

timsey tiger · 03-04-2021 03:28PM

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

Seeing people meeting out and about in the sun today I really think the rule of only meeting one other household outside was a mistake. It's quite clearly stupid and has been widely ignored for a long time anyway. But if you can, quite understandably, come to the conclusion that one of the rules is nonsense then you can dismiss the rule makers as clowns who don't have a clue and then other, more important rules, can be dismissed too.

IMO they should just be issuing general guidance re outdoor meetings. E.g, if you want to meet people please do so outside and don't gather in large groups... and for the love of jaysus don't call into someone's house afterwards for a cup of tea (or something stronger!)

... and pick up your f'ing rubbish, you brought it with you you can take it home with you. :pac:

Sono Topolino · 03-04-2021 03:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The only reason you cannot get multiple vaccines is supply constraints.

We will be awash with vaccines in September/October.

Most of those will go to Covax. In addition to that, the vaccines have been purchased by the HSE and there is no private market for them at the moment. I am not sure where you will obtain your preferred vaccine, unless public policy allows you to get revaccinated.

timsey tiger · 03-04-2021 03:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The only reason you cannot get multiple vaccines currently is supply constraints.

We will be awash with vaccines in September/October.

My question is a medical question, not a supply question.

Hopefully not, there will be plenty of people in still in need of vaccines in other countries.

GeorgeBailey · 03-04-2021 03:33PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

... and pick up your f'ing rubbish, you brought it with you you can take it home with you. :pac:

... and the dog sh!te too. There's so much of it around these days and it's utterly disgusting

03-04-2021 03:36PM

Sono Topolino wrote: »

Most of those will go to Covax. In addition to that, the vaccines have been purchased by the HSE and there is no private market for them at the moment. I am not sure where you will obtain your preferred vaccine, unless public policy allows you to get revaccinated.

Exactly, six months is a long time in a pandemic.

GeorgeBailey · 03-04-2021 03:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Exactly, six months is a long time in a pandemic.

Equally, pandemics make six months feel like a long time.

ACitizenErased · 03-04-2021 03:52PM

Given the thread is also named testing procedures, I'd like to question the government's slack response to antigen testing.
My brother lives in Southern Germany. Wife had a fever today. Brother went down to Aldi, bought two antigen tests for 7.50 each. 95% sensitivity and specificity. Results within 15 minutes, both negative.
The fact we don't have these available here is utterly ridiculous.

iamwhoiam · 03-04-2021 03:53PM

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

Seeing people meeting out and about in the sun today I really think the rule of only meeting one other household outside was a mistake. It's quite clearly stupid and has been widely ignored for a long time anyway. But if you can, quite understandably, come to the conclusion that one of the rules is nonsense then you can dismiss the rule makers as clowns who don't have a clue and then other, more important rules, can be dismissed too.

IMO they should just be issuing general guidance re outdoor meetings. E.g, if you want to meet people please do so outside and don't gather in large groups... and for the love of jaysus don't call into someone's house afterwards for a cup of tea (or something stronger!)

We are actually safer in my back garden than in packed parks around here in Dublin
Even if I meet a friend and sit on a bench its a bit close . In my garden I can have 3 metres distance , on comfy chairs and fleece rugs .
No we are not in the house or drinking from the same cup , we are not daft !

Strazdas · 03-04-2021 03:53PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

Hopefully not, there will be plenty of people in still in need of vaccines in other countries.

As people have been pointing out, none of us will be safe until the entire planet is vaccinated (otherwise we'd still be at huge risk of new variants coming in and infecting people all over again, even if they have been vaccinated).

Probes · 03-04-2021 03:55PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Given the thread is also named testing procedures, I'd like to question the government's slack response to antigen testing.
My brother lives in Southern Germany. Wife had a fever today. Brother went down to Aldi, bought two antigen tests for 7.50 each. 95% sensitivity and specificity. Results within 15 minutes, both negative.
The fact we don't have these available here is utterly ridiculous.

Is it 95% only at a certain stage of the illness though? I think the thing is that they miss a lot of the early and asymptomatic cases, that’s why they should do the PCR test.

ACitizenErased · 03-04-2021 03:59PM

Probes wrote: »

Is it 95% only at a certain stage of the illness though? I think the thing is that they miss a lot of the early and asymptomatic cases, that’s why they should do the PCR test.

If you're infectious (shedding virus) they'll detect it. That usually starts 2-3 days before symptoms.

Turtwig · 03-04-2021 04:04PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Given the thread is also named testing procedures, I'd like to question the government's slack response to antigen testing.
My brother lives in Southern Germany. Wife had a fever today. Brother went down to Aldi, bought two antigen tests for 7.50 each. 95% sensitivity and specificity. Results within 15 minutes, both negative.
The fact we don't have these available here is utterly ridiculous.

I disagree. Open to correction but as I understand it.
Antigen can work in serialised context on a population where you're repeating the test on the individuals a few times. Antigen in the context of your brothers individual usage is not reliable enough. We have excellent PCR testing here. Antigen can compliment that. If we do use mass antigen testing people, including their medical practitioners, need to be made aware of its limitations and the narrow testing windows for a reliable result.

People should be able to buy the test privately if they wish. Public expenditure in a non serialised context I'm not convinced of.

03-04-2021 04:09PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Given the thread is also named testing procedures, I'd like to question the government's slack response to antigen testing.
My brother lives in Southern Germany. Wife had a fever today. Brother went down to Aldi, bought two antigen tests for 7.50 each. 95% sensitivity and specificity. Results within 15 minutes, both negative.
The fact we don't have these available here is utterly ridiculous.

Not sure were you have been looking.

On sale in ireland since last summer:

https://mybio.ie/

ACitizenErased · 03-04-2021 04:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Not sure were you have been looking.

On sale in ireland since last summer:

https://mybio.ie/

In Aldi? Centra? The ones you linked cost €110.

Call me Al · 03-04-2021 04:57PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Given the thread is also named testing procedures, I'd like to question the government's slack response to antigen testing.
My brother lives in Southern Germany. Wife had a fever today. Brother went down to Aldi, bought two antigen tests for 7.50 each. 95% sensitivity and specificity. Results within 15 minutes, both negative.
The fact we don't have these available here is utterly ridiculous.

I think this is precisely why we haven't had antigen testing .
They want those who are symptomatic to get a PCR test and not be testing themselves at home with these.

Rebelbrowser · 03-04-2021 05:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Not sure were you have been looking.

On sale in ireland since last summer:

https://mybio.ie/

Anyone bought these? Would be tempted. I get the downsides but I can think of a few times in the last year when they would have been handy in my house (and before you ask 4 of the 5 people in my house have gone for tests at various times and we would do again - this wouldn't be to replace getting testing when symptomatic or a close contact).

03-04-2021 05:25PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

In Aldi? Centra? The ones you linked cost €110.

10 per pack.

Works out at €11 per test as opposed to your €7.50 test.

Comparable.

03-04-2021 05:27PM

Rebelbrowser wrote: »

Anyone bought these? Would be tempted. I get the downsides but I can think of a few times in the last year when they would have been handy in my house (and before you ask 4 of the 5 people in my house have gone for tests at various times and we would do again - this wouldn't be to replace getting testing when symptomatic or a close contact).

I bought them.

They are grand to use.

Also for curiosity bought antibody tests to see if i had previous covid infection.

Unfortunately negative for antibodies

Chris Avasarala · 03-04-2021 05:58PM

Sono Topolino wrote: »

No official confirmation as of yet, but my doctor friends are taking it as a given. One in particular is smug about getting the Pfizer vaccine, which seems to provide the best defense against new variants. Also this study by Charité -- Universitätsmedizin Berlin supports the position that regular booster shots will be needed until the pandemic is under control [removed]

Novavax and Moderna are developing a combined Sars-CoV-2/Influenza jab, and people in the pharma and medical establishment are operating on the basis that people who have gotten certain jabs (AstraZeneca being the main one now) are going to need to get booster shots sooner than others.

I have just created this account to object to the nonsense and misinformation you are spreading in this thread about the AstraZeneca vaccine. I'm not sure who your doctor friends are, or if they exist anywhere except your head, but they should know better than to share their speculations with you.

Shame on you.

Sono Topolino · 03-04-2021 06:06PM

Chris Avasarala wrote: »

I have just created this account to object to the nonsense and misinformation you are spreading in this thread about the AstraZeneca vaccine. I'm not sure who your doctor friends are, or if they exist anywhere except your head, but they should know better than to share their speculations with you.

Shame on you.

If you would like to point out something I have said empirically wrong, be my guest and I will accept my error freely. But I do not believe anything I have said can be proven false.

Chris Avasarala · 03-04-2021 06:14PM

Sono Topolino wrote: »

If you would like to point out something I have said empirically wrong, be my guest and I will accept my error freely. But I do not believe anything I have said can be proven false.

You're speculating and spreading FUD. It cannot be disproven, but you have no evidence for any of the things you are saying.

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