COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

gandalfio · 02-04-2021 09:59AM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/01/pfizer-vaccine-has-91-efficacy-for-up-to-six-months-trial-shows

Will this affect our rollout now that everyone vaccinated in January will need to be done again in July, February again in August etc etc?

02-04-2021 10:05AM

gandalfio wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/01/pfizer-vaccine-has-91-efficacy-for-up-to-six-months-trial-shows

Will this affect our rollout now that everyone vaccinated in January will need to be done again in July, February again in August etc etc?

No. That only shows that protection lasts at least 6 months. It doesn't mean protection stops at 6 months

Happydays2020 · 02-04-2021 10:10AM

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

It’s clearer than that with Pfizer protection goes from 95 to 91% in 6 months

Which incredible

Is it based on the recommended two doses 3 weeks apart?

gandalfio · 02-04-2021 10:14AM

Hardyn wrote: »

No. That only shows that protection lasts at least 6 months. It doesn't mean protection stops at 6 months

'In a statement released on Thursday, the companies reported efficacy of 91.3% against any symptoms of the disease in participants assessed up to six months after their second shot. The level of protection is only marginally lower than the 95% achieved soon after vaccination.
The findings are the first to demonstrate that the vaccine remains effective for many months, an outcome that doctors and scientists had desperately hoped for because it suggests that people being vaccinated now should be protected at least until the autumn when boosters may be ready.'

stephenjmcd · 02-04-2021 10:18AM

seamus wrote: »

Seriously like. The amount of people dying to shout "shambles!" over minor clerical issues is insanely frustrating.

There are lots of reasons why this might occur, most of which have perfectly satisfactory explanations when you're trying to embark on the largest and fastest vaccination programme this country has ever seen.

Once again, we need to avoid letting perfect be the enemy of good. Mistakes will happen, they will cost money. Provided they have no significant impact on the speed of rollout, then let's not get hung up on it.

If the HSE delayed vaccinations until they had a perfect IT system set up and ready to go, people would be going mental at the delays. When they move forward with the programme despite IT systems not being rock solid, people criticise them for being a mess. Can't win.

Yes, this is also happening in other countries. No, they are not ultra-slick operations without mistakes happening. No, we are not uniquely served by incompetent public servants.

Absolutely this 100%

I also find it funny that people are saying oh these loopholes in the IT system shouldn't happen, when for a good few weeks people in the Republic were looking to exploit the vaccine rollout in NI by registering online for a vaccine there. Double standards

stephenjmcd · 02-04-2021 10:20AM

gandalfio wrote: »

'In a statement released on Thursday, the companies reported efficacy of 91.3% against any symptoms of the disease in participants assessed up to six months after their second shot. The level of protection is only marginally lower than the 95% achieved soon after vaccination.
The findings are the first to demonstrate that the vaccine remains effective for many months, an outcome that doctors and scientists had desperately hoped for because it suggests that people being vaccinated now should be protected at least until the autumn when boosters may be ready.'

They only have data for about 6 months at the moment.

They can't say yeah this lasts 1 year for example. In 6 months time it could be yup the vaccine offers at least 1 years protection and so on as time goes by

Sanjuro · 02-04-2021 10:21AM

The outrage over a couple of clerical errors is a little much to be honest. Big picture, they're trying to vaccinate an entire country with a double dose vaccine in as quick a manner as possible. While also dealing with infections, testing and administering care. To expect everything to go off without some hitches is frankly delusional.

02-04-2021 10:30AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

They only have data for about 6 months at the moment.

They can't say yeah this lasts 1 year for example. In 6 months time it could be yup the vaccine offers at least 1 years protection.

As far as I know there are milestones at 6,12 and 24 months.

stephenjmcd · 02-04-2021 10:31AM

Hardyn wrote: »

As far as I know there are milestones at 6,12 and 24 months.

Would make sense for sure

lbj666 · 02-04-2021 11:04AM

TheDriver wrote: »

Yes. The Govt decided Mon to renege on their promise to Gardai, educaton staff, postmen, bus drivers etc.

Other than healthcare, no occupation is at more risk of severe illness than someone in the general population in the age bracket above them.

SJFly · 02-04-2021 11:26AM

Managing the rollout by anything other than age will be impossible to manage. We've seen how the hcw category has ballooned, and there's no reason to believe the same won't happen in the other categories. It will result in healthy young adults being vaccinated before the older population who are actually at risk of dying. I think the age categories are the fairest way to go.

irishlad. · 02-04-2021 11:29AM

Tuesday's numbers up: 20,134 vaccinated. Highest Tuesday so far

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit#gid=1219026690

funnydoggy · 02-04-2021 11:32AM

irishlad. wrote: »

Tuesday's numbers up: 20,134 vaccinated. Highest Tuesday so far

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit#gid=1219026690

History Queen · 02-04-2021 11:37AM

lbj666 wrote: »

Other than healthcare, no occupation is at more risk of severe illness than someone in the general population in the age bracket above them.

According to this study that isn't the case. I read it a few days ago. I think it was transport workers in particular that were seen as being at increased risk though socioecomic factors also play a role.

https://oem.bmj.com/content/early/2020/12/01/oemed-2020-106731

PMBC · 02-04-2021 11:38AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Depends on how fast group 6 goes

How many people in the 65-69 population group?

josip · 02-04-2021 11:42AM

Results on the ground are definitely showing good progress and I agree that criticism is unwarranted.
However, questions do have to be asked about how this could have happened and this has more to do with the IT system than clerical staff.

Why does the IT System allow someone who has already been vaccinated to be assigned an appointment for another round of vaccinations within this timeframe?
How many of the 572 no-shows yesterday were due to double bookings/prior vaccinations?

The HSE are using our unique IHIs at the backend, not the Irish National ID of, "Pat the Bollix, Kerry", so either:

many earlier vaccinations were not recorded properly or
the IT system does not perform any check of previous Covid vaccination/appointment allocation when allocating an appointment.

I definitely think there is scope for improvement in the IT support systems.
Is it safe for people to get 2 Pfizer and 2 AZ shots within 4 months for example?

lbj666 · 02-04-2021 11:43AM

History Queen wrote: »

According to this study that isn't the case. I read it a few days ago. I think it was transport workers in particular that were seen as being at increased risk though socioecomic factors also play a role.

https://oem.bmj.com/content/early/2020/12/01/oemed-2020-106731

How does it correlate with Irish statistics.

Garlinge · 02-04-2021 11:45AM

So they are working on over 70's cohort now. How long before move to next group? Will jabs be done on Bank holidays ie today and Monday?

is_that_so · 02-04-2021 11:47AM

PMBC wrote: »

How many people in the 65-69 population group?

Could be 200K so with supplies supposedly increasing it would take at most at two weeks.

is_that_so · 02-04-2021 11:50AM

Garlinge wrote: »

So they are working on over 70's cohort now. How long before move to next group? Will jabs be done on Bank holidays ie today and Monday?

65-69 are pencilled for 3rd week in April I believe via the new portal. They are still doing 1-4 anyway and will be for a bit.

02-04-2021 11:50AM

is_that_so wrote: »

supposedly

Yeah we'll see.

PhoenixParker · 02-04-2021 11:51AM

PMBC wrote: »

How many people in the 65-69 population group?

200-220k according to the census

is_that_so · 02-04-2021 11:52AM

11521323 wrote: »

Yeah we'll see.

Pfizer are pretty reliable and you'd expect J&J to deliver their first tranche. As always it's what AZ do.

History Queen · 02-04-2021 11:58AM

lbj666 wrote: »

How does it correlate with Irish statistics.

I don't know. I'm not sure we've been keeping stats re occupation? Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong. Some participants in the study were Irish but not sure what proportion.

crossman47 · 02-04-2021 12:01PM

Garlinge wrote: »

So they are working on over 70's cohort now. How long before move to next group? Will jabs be done on Bank holidays ie today and Monday?

Yes. I know people scheduled for tomorrow and Sunday.

Widescreen · 02-04-2021 12:02PM

wish I was 65 now and not in nine months time!

Scuid Mhór · 02-04-2021 12:04PM

So when are Cohort 7 scheduled to start? Early May?

is_that_so · 02-04-2021 12:07PM

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

So when are Cohort 7 scheduled to start? Early May?

Think Donnelly will be publishing a list of estimated dates "within a week". If 65-69 are mid-April that sounds about right.

Scuid Mhór · 02-04-2021 12:11PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Think Donnelly will be publishing a list of estimated dates "within a week". If 65-69 are mid-April that sounds about right.

Thanks is_that_so. I appreciate your posts on covid/the vaccines generally.

JP Liz V1 · 02-04-2021 01:10PM

I'm waiting to hear of arrests, fines, firings or suspensions for the Coombe and Beacon staff for vaccine thieves

COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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