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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭trellheim


    This may have been posted already : Official Gov Publication on deliveries of vaccine so far

    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/2cbc2-update-on-covid-19-vaccine-deliveries-31-march-2021/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Can anyone who knows supply chains comment on why AZ are delivering in such an unusual fashion? Pfizer seem to be delivering in fairly regular numbers, but AZ can deliver 10k one week and 100k the next. What's the thinking there?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Can anyone who knows supply chains comment on why AZ are delivering in such an unusual fashion? Pfizer seem to be delivering in fairly regular numbers, but AZ can deliver 10k one week and 100k the next. What's the thinking there?

    in with the easy questions there lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,682 ✭✭✭PhoenixParker


    hmmm wrote: »
    Can anyone who knows supply chains comment on why AZ are delivering in such an unusual fashion? Pfizer seem to be delivering in fairly regular numbers, but AZ can deliver 10k one week and 100k the next. What's the thinking there?

    AZ have a factory in the Netherlands which has made a lot of vaccine but wasn't approved to supply the EU. It was stockpiled. The factory was approved last week so the stockpile is now being shipped.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,366 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1377612049753182208?s=20

    240k next week, Am I adding it up right?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    120-125k including 90k over 70s and 30 AZ


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    hynesie08 wrote: »

    Think you have doubled it.

    120 total and then he gives breakdown.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭Apogee




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    I think the posters above referring to McConkey, Staines, etc as "clowns" are bang out of order.
    It is them and their academic colleagues who have spent year studying medicine/epidemiology/pharmacy/etc and in 1 year have developed a vaccine which we were all told would take 2-3-4 years to develop.
    Without people who are so passionate about minute areas of study in these fields, what would we have done? We'd probably now be looking at far greater collateral damage of elderly and vulnerable cohorts.
    Maybe that's what some posters on here would have preferred?
    When my parents walked out of their GP yesterday having got their vaccines, I thank our lucky stars that we have these great minds to put an end to this pandemic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,366 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    120-125k including 90k over 70s and 30 AZ

    Ah, fair enough.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭Apogee


    Apogee wrote: »
    650 housebound now done (1,800 was previous estimated total).
    10 ambulances in operation - each ambulance can dose 14 per day due to restrictions on vials (presumably mRNA storage requirements?).


    Reid: 750 housebound done as of last weekend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,260 ✭✭✭Elessar


    hynesie08 wrote: »

    Surely with the 112k AZ that came in last night, they should be adding an extra ~100k to that total for next week?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,105 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Apogee wrote: »

    Consultants refer them, how challenging can that be?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Elessar wrote: »
    Surely with the 112k AZ that came in last night, they should be adding an extra ~100k to that total for next week?
    I always count their estimate as a minimum, there's no reason why we couldn't go above it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭embraer170


    Have there been any reports of the government including COVID-19 self test kits as part of its testing strategy? In Germany, you can walk into pharmacies and shops and pick up a test kit for about €5 (or a pack of five for €20-21).

    This is in addition to a free weekly professional antigen test every resident is entitled to (done at most pharmacies in addition to many dedicated testing centres etc.).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭Apogee


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Consultants refer them, how challenging can that be?


    He cited an example of where ~1,000 Cohort 4 invited, only 50% accepted immediately to take up vaccination. The remainder wished to confer with their consultants beforehand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Is the adverse effect data publicly accessible in Ireland as it is in the states?

    https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,366 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Elessar wrote: »
    Surely with the 112k AZ that came in last night, they should be adding an extra ~100k to that total for next week?

    Then there'd be outcry when we miss that target because AZ delivered 87 vaccines and an Easter egg.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    AZ have a factory in the Netherlands which has made a lot of vaccine but wasn't approved to supply the EU. It was stockpiled. The factory was approved last week so the stockpile is now being shipped.

    Has any of that been shipped yet?
    This 'big' AZ delivery we got was flagged weeks in advance. With AZ having no intentions are getting it approved until all the drama around the doses been found forced their hand. One would assume the Belgium plant is still the sole supplier to the EU.

    If the Netherlands plant is now approved and only EU and COVAX are being served by it, you would expect bigger shipments. The 112k isn't exactly a bumper delivery, 2 weeks previously they only delivered about 20k in 2 weeks. Brings March to average about 55k doses delivered to Ireland a week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭Apogee


    Sustained effect of vaccines on hospital cases:
    548891.jpg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,500 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    I think the posters above referring to McConkey, Staines, etc as "clowns" are bang out of order.
    It is them and their academic colleagues who have spent year studying medicine/epidemiology/pharmacy/etc and in 1 year have developed a vaccine which we were all told would take 2-3-4 years to develop.
    Without people who are so passionate about minute areas of study in these fields, what would we have done? We'd probably now be looking at far greater collateral damage of elderly and vulnerable cohorts.
    Maybe that's what some posters on here would have preferred?
    When my parents walked out of their GP yesterday having got their vaccines, I thank our lucky stars that we have these great minds to put an end to this pandemic.

    Those 4 lads had feck all to do with developing the vaccines.

    Nobody is criticising the people that actually developed and created them.

    Ridiculous argument.


  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Is the adverse effect data publicly accessible in Ireland as it is in the states?

    https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data

    So you can also grossly misrepresented our data also?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭Apogee


    They've administered ~55K for Mon-Wed this week. On target for 100K.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    J&J arriving by the third week in April, deliveries in April will not be significant quantity but scaling up more into June


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    So you can also grossly misrepresented our data also?

    How is the data misrepresented? I'm genuinely curious. These are all real reports as far I am aware, sourced from a government database.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    I think the posters above referring to McConkey, Staines, etc as "clowns" are bang out of order.
    It is them and their academic colleagues who have spent year studying medicine/epidemiology/pharmacy/etc and in 1 year have developed a vaccine which we were all told would take 2-3-4 years to develop.
    Without people who are so passionate about minute areas of study in these fields, what would we have done? We'd probably now be looking at far greater collateral damage of elderly and vulnerable cohorts.
    Maybe that's what some posters on here would have preferred?
    When my parents walked out of their GP yesterday having got their vaccines, I thank our lucky stars that we have these great minds to put an end to this pandemic.
    You can be a scientist without actually contributing to science - namely the vaccines in this respect.
    Does every engineer take credit for the Concorde?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    Those 4 lads had feck all to do with developing the vaccines.

    Nobody is criticising the people that actually developed and created them.

    Ridiculous argument.

    I know they didn't develop them - but do you know that they weren't involved in peer reviewing the data, efficacy, side effects etc? The vaccine effort has been one which has involved people right across the scientific and academic research community. Who is to say that the people who did develop them didn't review some paper written by one of them as they racked their brains to think what they needed to do? How well do you know their research areas/expertise?

    Calling them clowns, is ridiculous. Anyway, I'm afraid I might be arguing with.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Fantastic news from Stephen Donnelly just in " we have manged to vaccinate every over the age 100 in Leitrim who is a Tarus "


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    You can be a scientist without actually contributing to science - namely the vaccines in this respect.
    Does every engineer take credit for the Concorde?

    No, but he might have learned off what others have done in related fields, and looked at how he could make it better/what happened in that previous study in a similar field/etc.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,562 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    I know they didn't develop them - but do you know that they weren't involved in peer reviewing the data, efficacy, side effects etc?

    Yes, none of the people you listed were involved in this. It's outside the area of their expertise.

    Not that I agree with calling them clowns...


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