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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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Qrt

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stefanovich wrote: »

How is the data misrepresented? I'm genuinely curious. These are all real reports as far I am aware, sourced from a government database.

The context that all symptoms, illnesses and deaths post vaccine, irrespective of cause will be included in such reports and no analysis of the occurrence when compared with expected levels of similar illnesses is included.

The sole purpose of some in sharing such information is to give the false impression that every single report logged was caused by the vaccine

Deeper Blue

PhilOssophy wrote: »

No - nor are any of them claiming credit for it either.

Yet you were bleating about people criticising them in case they were involved?

Deeper Blue

PhilOssophy wrote: »

I know they didn't develop them - but do you know that they weren't involved in peer reviewing the data, efficacy, side effects etc? The vaccine effort has been one which has involved people right across the scientific and academic research community. Who is to say that the people who did develop them didn't review some paper written by one of them as they racked their brains to think what they needed to do? How well do you know their research areas/expertise?

Calling them clowns, is ridiculous. Anyway, I'm afraid I might be arguing with.....

Yes I'm sure Pfizer got a neuroscience associate professor from Ireland to peer review arguably the most important vaccine data in history.

PhilOssophy

Amirani wrote: »

Yes, none of the people you listed were involved in this. It's outside the area of their expertise.

Not that I agree with calling them clowns...

No - nor are any of them claiming credit for it either.

Line 2 - exactly the point I was raising.

Tacitus Kilgore

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Fantastic news from Stephen Donnelly just in " we have manged to vaccinate every over the age 100 in Leitrim who is a Tarus "

Amirani

PhilOssophy wrote: »

I know they didn't develop them - but do you know that they weren't involved in peer reviewing the data, efficacy, side effects etc?

Yes, none of the people you listed were involved in this. It's outside the area of their expertise.

Not that I agree with calling them clowns...

PhilOssophy

dominatinMC wrote: »

You can be a scientist without actually contributing to science - namely the vaccines in this respect.
Does every engineer take credit for the Concorde?

No, but he might have learned off what others have done in related fields, and looked at how he could make it better/what happened in that previous study in a similar field/etc.

yourdeadwright

Fantastic news from Stephen Donnelly just in " we have manged to vaccinate every over the age 100 in Leitrim who is a Tarus "

PhilOssophy

Deeper Blue wrote: »

Those 4 lads had feck all to do with developing the vaccines.

Nobody is criticising the people that actually developed and created them.

Ridiculous argument.

I know they didn't develop them - but do you know that they weren't involved in peer reviewing the data, efficacy, side effects etc? The vaccine effort has been one which has involved people right across the scientific and academic research community. Who is to say that the people who did develop them didn't review some paper written by one of them as they racked their brains to think what they needed to do? How well do you know their research areas/expertise?

Calling them clowns, is ridiculous. Anyway, I'm afraid I might be arguing with.....

dominatinMC

PhilOssophy wrote: »

I think the posters above referring to McConkey, Staines, etc as "clowns" are bang out of order.
It is them and their academic colleagues who have spent year studying medicine/epidemiology/pharmacy/etc and in 1 year have developed a vaccine which we were all told would take 2-3-4 years to develop.
Without people who are so passionate about minute areas of study in these fields, what would we have done? We'd probably now be looking at far greater collateral damage of elderly and vulnerable cohorts.
Maybe that's what some posters on here would have preferred?
When my parents walked out of their GP yesterday having got their vaccines, I thank our lucky stars that we have these great minds to put an end to this pandemic.

You can be a scientist without actually contributing to science - namely the vaccines in this respect.
Does every engineer take credit for the Concorde?

stefanovich

Deleted User wrote: »

So you can also grossly misrepresented our data also?

How is the data misrepresented? I'm genuinely curious. These are all real reports as far I am aware, sourced from a government database.

ACitizenErased

J&J arriving by the third week in April, deliveries in April will not be significant quantity but scaling up more into June

Apogee

They've administered ~55K for Mon-Wed this week. On target for 100K.

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stefanovich wrote: »

Is the adverse effect data publicly accessible in Ireland as it is in the states?

https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data

So you can also grossly misrepresented our data also?

Deeper Blue

PhilOssophy wrote: »

I think the posters above referring to McConkey, Staines, etc as "clowns" are bang out of order.
It is them and their academic colleagues who have spent year studying medicine/epidemiology/pharmacy/etc and in 1 year have developed a vaccine which we were all told would take 2-3-4 years to develop.
Without people who are so passionate about minute areas of study in these fields, what would we have done? We'd probably now be looking at far greater collateral damage of elderly and vulnerable cohorts.
Maybe that's what some posters on here would have preferred?
When my parents walked out of their GP yesterday having got their vaccines, I thank our lucky stars that we have these great minds to put an end to this pandemic.

Those 4 lads had feck all to do with developing the vaccines.

Nobody is criticising the people that actually developed and created them.

Ridiculous argument.

Apogee

Sustained effect of vaccines on hospital cases:

Wolf359f

PhoenixParker wrote: »

AZ have a factory in the Netherlands which has made a lot of vaccine but wasn't approved to supply the EU. It was stockpiled. The factory was approved last week so the stockpile is now being shipped.

Has any of that been shipped yet?
This 'big' AZ delivery we got was flagged weeks in advance. With AZ having no intentions are getting it approved until all the drama around the doses been found forced their hand. One would assume the Belgium plant is still the sole supplier to the EU.

If the Netherlands plant is now approved and only EU and COVAX are being served by it, you would expect bigger shipments. The 112k isn't exactly a bumper delivery, 2 weeks previously they only delivered about 20k in 2 weeks. Brings March to average about 55k doses delivered to Ireland a week.

hynesie08

Elessar wrote: »

Surely with the 112k AZ that came in last night, they should be adding an extra ~100k to that total for next week?

Then there'd be outcry when we miss that target because AZ delivered 87 vaccines and an Easter egg.

stefanovich

Is the adverse effect data publicly accessible in Ireland as it is in the states?

https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data

Apogee

Gael23 wrote: »

Consultants refer them, how challenging can that be?

He cited an example of where ~1,000 Cohort 4 invited, only 50% accepted immediately to take up vaccination. The remainder wished to confer with their consultants beforehand.

embraer170

Have there been any reports of the government including COVID-19 self test kits as part of its testing strategy? In Germany, you can walk into pharmacies and shops and pick up a test kit for about €5 (or a pack of five for €20-21).

This is in addition to a free weekly professional antigen test every resident is entitled to (done at most pharmacies in addition to many dedicated testing centres etc.).

ACitizenErased

Elessar wrote: »

Surely with the 112k AZ that came in last night, they should be adding an extra ~100k to that total for next week?

I always count their estimate as a minimum, there's no reason why we couldn't go above it

Gael23

Apogee wrote: »

Cumulative numbers: 819,676 doses
https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1377611475074879488

Consultants refer them, how challenging can that be?

Elessar

hynesie08 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1377612049753182208?s=20

240k next week, Am I adding it up right?

Surely with the 112k AZ that came in last night, they should be adding an extra ~100k to that total for next week?

Apogee

Apogee wrote: »

650 housebound now done (1,800 was previous estimated total).
10 ambulances in operation - each ambulance can dose 14 per day due to restrictions on vials (presumably mRNA storage requirements?).

Reid: 750 housebound done as of last weekend.

hynesie08

ACitizenErased wrote: »

120-125k including 90k over 70s and 30 AZ

Ah, fair enough.

PhilOssophy

I think the posters above referring to McConkey, Staines, etc as "clowns" are bang out of order.
It is them and their academic colleagues who have spent year studying medicine/epidemiology/pharmacy/etc and in 1 year have developed a vaccine which we were all told would take 2-3-4 years to develop.
Without people who are so passionate about minute areas of study in these fields, what would we have done? We'd probably now be looking at far greater collateral damage of elderly and vulnerable cohorts.
Maybe that's what some posters on here would have preferred?
When my parents walked out of their GP yesterday having got their vaccines, I thank our lucky stars that we have these great minds to put an end to this pandemic.

Apogee

irishlad. wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1377612049753182208

Cumulative numbers: 819,676 doses
https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1377611475074879488

Danzy

hynesie08 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1377612049753182208?s=20

240k next week, Am I adding it up right?

Think you have doubled it.

120 total and then he gives breakdown.