COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

PhoenixParker · 01-04-2021 10:49AM

titan18 wrote: »

All you have to is get the subjects consent to avoid that. I'm pretty sure most will be fine with DOE providing their contact details to the HSE for a vaccination.

And to do that you're back to 10 minutes per applicant for somebody to check it.

It's all possible, but people need to stop talking about it like it's some trivial exercise that can be done, and done well, at the click of someone's fingers.

It's a major undertaking for any categorisation that's not age or something similarly simple.

CrabRevolution · 01-04-2021 10:51AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Nah us "moaners" are more concerned about the time wasting to distract from the missed targets.
This particular "moaner" has pointed out a bunch of times that all this is nonsense and basically busy work until we actually have supply.

Economy on its knees, thousands out of work, thousands missing out on other health screening, missing target after target after target, Christ stop moaning. :rolleyes:

But the time wasting would be to do it by occupation, which is what the moaners want. Doing it by age saves time.

lbj666 · 01-04-2021 10:51AM

PhoenixParker wrote: »

Honestly, it's extremely difficult to do it properly using any other way.

Let's say the teachers.
So you set up a portal and they can register. Grand thats easy. Then you need an approval process.

Let's say everything is wonderful and the principals in each school agree to do it. (They quite likely wouldn't, or would want extra payment, or most would but some wouldn't).

Now you've to decide who gets it. 80% are easy. Then the subs? The cleaner? The janitor? The teacher on long term sick leave? The special needs assistants? The sub who works once a month? The sub who only worked once 3 months ago but is desperate for more hours? The person on year 3 of a 5 year career break? The person who's been on sick leave for years.

When a principal decides to say his wife is also doing a few hours as a secretary? Or the PTA ask the principal to slip their names in . . . How does that get policed?

For every yes you give, therell be at least 10 minutes of checking, probably at 2 levels (on top of all the actual vaccine admin).

For every no you give, you have to have an appeals process and even then you're still risking a media flurry.

Back of an envelope calculation for 100k people.

90% go straight through with a 10min quick check - 15,000 man hours
10% need an hour to check and refuse - 10,000 man hours
Half of those appeal (4500) and need 4 hours to process - 18000 man hours

Were at 43000 man hours to process 100k people and we have multiples of that to do.

24 people working for a year per 100k.
15 if we get the principals or similar to do phase 1 approval for free.

Or we go with age and its straightforward.

I am not advocating going back the old plan, but issues with developing a booking system based on a jaw dropping flaw in the HCW one shouldn't be part of reasoning for the new. The issue with this system came even before any sort of eligibilty screening.

NIAC didnt base their recommendations on logictics anyway ( although if one was glaringly complicated they probably wouldnt look into it) the knock on impact is there is less to worry about potential balls ups like this thankfully.

NIACs basis was very simple actually , other than healthcare no occupation was more at risk than the age bracket older than them in the broader community.

titan18 · 01-04-2021 10:53AM

PhoenixParker wrote: »

And to do that you're back to 10 minutes per applicant for somebody to check it.

Not really, unless someone very slow is checking it. I will take the assumption that DOE have everyone working for them's contact details. Get them to update consent so they can share with HSE, DOE send file to HSE with everyones contact details and HSE send out notices for vaccinations.

Don't see the need to check it, should be a unique id for every worker anyway in the DOE.

Their systems are probably sh1t of course, which is probably why they can't do something like that.

timsey tiger · 01-04-2021 10:57AM

Gile_na_gile wrote: »

While we are turning the corner and starting to actually see the fabled 'ramp up' and 'game changers', we neverthless have the WHO today criticising the subpar EU rollout of vaccines. We should, of course, be comparing ourselves with the US rather than Francis Drake's crew next door, with the States now at 30% of total population partially vaccinated.

The reasons have been discussed lots already; namely hands-off approach to ramping off production and lack of EC oversight of factories which is the main aspect IMO, and then the beaurocratic disadvantage of collective purchasing and approval but the latter was inevitable.

So with J&J having problems in the US (Coca Cola producers thought they were making Pepsi, i.e. AZ!), how will we ensure nothing like this happens here and that there are no exports in the meantime to cover issues elsewhere? I hope the EC and EMA are on top of this now with export controls and their reported weekly/daily communication with pharmacos. Does anyone know if there are J&J exports from Europe at this time or is the supply only for Europe?

I seem to remember that all the initial EU production of J&J went to the US.

timsey tiger · 01-04-2021 11:00AM

PhoenixParker wrote: »

Nope. GDPR.

This is not correct. If it were, the principals wouldn't be able to do the same thing at school level for the same reason.

Godot. · 01-04-2021 11:05AM

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

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Trump was willing to throw billions at CureVac to move the vaccine development and production to the US. In hindsight, maybe it would've worked out better that way.

CureVac would've been up and running months ago and even if Europe were sloppy seconds we'd probably have got it at scale long before our current reality, where it'll probably take months after June for Europe to produce large quantities.

1huge1 · 01-04-2021 11:07AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/fergalbowers/status/1377321721322168324?s=21

I thought we were expecting a very large amount of AZ in the final week of Q1?? We only got 12,000.

01-04-2021 11:10AM

1huge1 wrote: »

I thought we were expecting a very large amount of AZ in the final week of Q1?? We only got 12,000.

Tweet says 'up to last Friday'. Still five days left in the month after that.

rameire · 01-04-2021 11:20AM

11698 doses on Monday 29.3.21.
2 thousand more than last monday.
819,676 total doses.

Stark · 01-04-2021 11:27AM

Pity they don't show the estimated size of the cohorts on that dashboard.

snotboogie · 01-04-2021 11:28AM

rameire wrote: »

11698 doses on Monday 29.3.21.
2 thousand more than last monday.
819,676 total doses.

That's disappointing, thought we'd be hitting at least 20k on weekdays from now on. 0.2% is a poor number for a weekday.

GLaDOS · 01-04-2021 11:31AM

Mondays are usually a bit lower than other weekdays, I actually think that's the highest Monday to date. Tuesday-Friday seem to be the big hitting days.

ACitizenErased · 01-04-2021 11:32AM

WHO has called the EUs vaccine rollout 'unacceptably slow'. Not sure what they expect the EU to do about it, the EU don't make vaccines

astrofool · 01-04-2021 11:34AM

GLaDOS wrote: »

Mondays are usually a bit lower than other weekdays, I actually think that's the highest Monday to date. Tuesday-Friday seem to be the big hitting days.

It's also good from a vaccinator perspective if Monday's are low as it means the previous weeks supply has been used (they usually get delivered on Monday), and that we have excess vaccinator capacity to use as supply increases.

Danzy · 01-04-2021 11:38AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

WHO has called the EUs vaccine rollout 'unacceptably slow'. Not sure what they expect the EU to do about it, the EU don't make vaccines

It's always someone else's fault.

Lucas Hood · 01-04-2021 11:39AM

GLaDOS wrote: »

Mondays are usually a bit lower than other weekdays, I actually think that's the highest Monday to date. Tuesday-Friday seem to be the big hitting days.

It is the highest monday so far.
2286 more than the previous highest Monday 8th March.

We are averaging 18461 vaccines administered per day over the past 7 days up to Monday.

Gael23 · 01-04-2021 11:39AM

April deliveries revised down to 860k

Bubbaclaus · 01-04-2021 11:46AM

Gael23 wrote: »

April deliveries revised down to 860k

200k a week so for the month.

vienne86 · 01-04-2021 11:49AM

rameire wrote: »

11698 doses on Monday 29.3.21.
2 thousand more than last monday.
819,676 total doses.

I always like the updates in this format - where do you find it?

Sanjuro · 01-04-2021 11:50AM

vienne86 wrote: »

I always like the updates in this format - where do you find it?

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-vaccination-programme-dashboard.html

hmmm · 01-04-2021 11:53AM

More good news from Pfizer/Biontech, they've updated their Phase 3 results
https://investors.pfizer.com/investor-news/press-release-details/2021/Pfizer-and-BioNTech-Confirm-High-Efficacy-and-No-Serious-Safety-Concerns-Through-Up-to-Six-Months-Following-Second-Dose-in-Updated-Topline-Analysis-of-Landmark-COVID-19-Vaccine-Study/default.aspx

"From the 927 confirmed symptomatic cases of COVID-19 in the trial, 850 cases of COVID-19 were in the placebo group and 77 cases were in the BNT162b2 group"

"In South Africa, where the B.1.351 lineage is prevalent and 800 participants were enrolled, nine cases of COVID-19 were observed, all in the placebo group, indicating vaccine efficacy of 100%"

"Vaccine safety has now been evaluated in more than 44,000 participants aged 16 years and older with more than 12,000 vaccinated participants having at least six months of follow-up after their second dose."

Vaccine continues to provide effective protection after 6 months.

RTE Headline later today "Vaccine provides protection for 6 months"

Tyrone212 · 01-04-2021 11:56AM

Vaccine exports were released the other week. EU has exported over 70m. Usa has a vaccine export ban. UK exported 0. Weird the WHO decides to criticise the EU ahead of others.

josip · 01-04-2021 11:59AM

Gael23 wrote: »

April deliveries revised down to 860k

Although any downward revision is disappointing, that 860k is as many vaccines as we administered during Q1.
And all those Q1 vaccines have made a massive difference to our society.

Our elderly in nursing homes are no longer dying en masse
HCWs are protected and hospital staffing shortages aren't a concern.
Elderly can finally emerge from their cocoons at home
Grandparents can again meet grandkids without worry
People of all ages at high risk are being vaccinated.

Imagine a similar level of new positives in a month's time

timsey tiger · 01-04-2021 12:00PM

Tyrone212 wrote: »

Vaccine exports were released the other week. EU has exported over 70m. Usa has a vaccine export ban. UK exported 0. Weird the WHO decides to criticise the EU ahead of others.

They might be referring to the numbers of vaccines, delivered but not yet used is various EU countries, which is at scandelous levels.

hmmm · 01-04-2021 12:01PM

Variants variants variants.

https://twitter.com/SquawkCNBC/status/1377575706952138759

1huge1 · 01-04-2021 12:01PM

Flying Fox wrote: »

Tweet says 'up to last Friday'. Still five days left in the month after that.

Thank you, my mistake

Bubbaclaus · 01-04-2021 12:01PM

If the Ro was exactly 1.0 under a certain lockdown level, and 10% of the population got vaccinated with a 90% effective vaccine, that would effectively reduced the Ro to 0.91 then wouldn't it? Keeping everything else constant.

marno21 · 01-04-2021 12:02PM

Is it confirmed 860k deliveries in April or 860k to be administered?

Does that include the big AstraZeneca delivery planned for this week?

Tyrone212 · 01-04-2021 12:02PM

Gael23 wrote: »

April deliveries revised down to 860k

From what?

COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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