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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,682 ✭✭✭PhoenixParker


    titan18 wrote: »
    All you have to is get the subjects consent to avoid that. I'm pretty sure most will be fine with DOE providing their contact details to the HSE for a vaccination.

    And to do that you're back to 10 minutes per applicant for somebody to check it.

    It's all possible, but people need to stop talking about it like it's some trivial exercise that can be done, and done well, at the click of someone's fingers.

    It's a major undertaking for any categorisation that's not age or something similarly simple.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    Nah us "moaners" are more concerned about the time wasting to distract from the missed targets.
    This particular "moaner" has pointed out a bunch of times that all this is nonsense and basically busy work until we actually have supply.

    Economy on its knees, thousands out of work, thousands missing out on other health screening, missing target after target after target, Christ stop moaning. :rolleyes:
    But the time wasting would be to do it by occupation, which is what the moaners want. Doing it by age saves time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    Honestly, it's extremely difficult to do it properly using any other way.

    Let's say the teachers.
    So you set up a portal and they can register. Grand thats easy. Then you need an approval process.

    Let's say everything is wonderful and the principals in each school agree to do it. (They quite likely wouldn't, or would want extra payment, or most would but some wouldn't).

    Now you've to decide who gets it. 80% are easy. Then the subs? The cleaner? The janitor? The teacher on long term sick leave? The special needs assistants? The sub who works once a month? The sub who only worked once 3 months ago but is desperate for more hours? The person on year 3 of a 5 year career break? The person who's been on sick leave for years.

    When a principal decides to say his wife is also doing a few hours as a secretary? Or the PTA ask the principal to slip their names in . . . How does that get policed?

    For every yes you give, therell be at least 10 minutes of checking, probably at 2 levels (on top of all the actual vaccine admin).

    For every no you give, you have to have an appeals process and even then you're still risking a media flurry.

    Back of an envelope calculation for 100k people.

    90% go straight through with a 10min quick check - 15,000 man hours
    10% need an hour to check and refuse - 10,000 man hours
    Half of those appeal (4500) and need 4 hours to process - 18000 man hours

    Were at 43000 man hours to process 100k people and we have multiples of that to do.

    24 people working for a year per 100k.
    15 if we get the principals or similar to do phase 1 approval for free.

    Or we go with age and its straightforward.

    I am not advocating going back the old plan, but issues with developing a booking system based on a jaw dropping flaw in the HCW one shouldn't be part of reasoning for the new. The issue with this system came even before any sort of eligibilty screening.


    NIAC didnt base their recommendations on logictics anyway ( although if one was glaringly complicated they probably wouldnt look into it) the knock on impact is there is less to worry about potential balls ups like this thankfully.

    NIACs basis was very simple actually , other than healthcare no occupation was more at risk than the age bracket older than them in the broader community.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,062 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    And to do that you're back to 10 minutes per applicant for somebody to check it.

    Not really, unless someone very slow is checking it. I will take the assumption that DOE have everyone working for them's contact details. Get them to update consent so they can share with HSE, DOE send file to HSE with everyones contact details and HSE send out notices for vaccinations.

    Don't see the need to check it, should be a unique id for every worker anyway in the DOE.

    Their systems are probably sh1t of course, which is probably why they can't do something like that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    While we are turning the corner and starting to actually see the fabled 'ramp up' and 'game changers', we neverthless have the WHO today criticising the subpar EU rollout of vaccines. We should, of course, be comparing ourselves with the US rather than Francis Drake's crew next door, with the States now at 30% of total population partially vaccinated.

    The reasons have been discussed lots already; namely hands-off approach to ramping off production and lack of EC oversight of factories which is the main aspect IMO, and then the beaurocratic disadvantage of collective purchasing and approval but the latter was inevitable.

    So with J&J having problems in the US (Coca Cola producers thought they were making Pepsi, i.e. AZ!), how will we ensure nothing like this happens here and that there are no exports in the meantime to cover issues elsewhere? I hope the EC and EMA are on top of this now with export controls and their reported weekly/daily communication with pharmacos. Does anyone know if there are J&J exports from Europe at this time or is the supply only for Europe?

    I seem to remember that all the initial EU production of J&J went to the US.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Nope. GDPR.

    This is not correct. If it were, the principals wouldn't be able to do the same thing at school level for the same reason.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Godot.


    ...

    Trump was willing to throw billions at CureVac to move the vaccine development and production to the US. In hindsight, maybe it would've worked out better that way.

    CureVac would've been up and running months ago and even if Europe were sloppy seconds we'd probably have got it at scale long before our current reality, where it'll probably take months after June for Europe to produce large quantities.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭1huge1




    I thought we were expecting a very large amount of AZ in the final week of Q1?? We only got 12,000.


  • Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    1huge1 wrote: »
    I thought we were expecting a very large amount of AZ in the final week of Q1?? We only got 12,000.

    Tweet says 'up to last Friday'. Still five days left in the month after that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭rameire


    11698 doses on Monday 29.3.21.
    2 thousand more than last monday.
    819,676 total doses.

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    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,208 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Pity they don't show the estimated size of the cohorts on that dashboard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,816 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    rameire wrote: »
    11698 doses on Monday 29.3.21.
    2 thousand more than last monday.
    819,676 total doses.

    548867.PNG

    That's disappointing, thought we'd be hitting at least 20k on weekdays from now on. 0.2% is a poor number for a weekday.


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,251 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Mondays are usually a bit lower than other weekdays, I actually think that's the highest Monday to date. Tuesday-Friday seem to be the big hitting days.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    WHO has called the EUs vaccine rollout 'unacceptably slow'. Not sure what they expect the EU to do about it, the EU don't make vaccines :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,507 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    GLaDOS wrote: »
    Mondays are usually a bit lower than other weekdays, I actually think that's the highest Monday to date. Tuesday-Friday seem to be the big hitting days.

    It's also good from a vaccinator perspective if Monday's are low as it means the previous weeks supply has been used (they usually get delivered on Monday), and that we have excess vaccinator capacity to use as supply increases.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    WHO has called the EUs vaccine rollout 'unacceptably slow'. Not sure what they expect the EU to do about it, the EU don't make vaccines :confused:

    It's always someone else's fault.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,206 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    GLaDOS wrote: »
    Mondays are usually a bit lower than other weekdays, I actually think that's the highest Monday to date. Tuesday-Friday seem to be the big hitting days.

    It is the highest monday so far.
    2286 more than the previous highest Monday 8th March.

    We are averaging 18461 vaccines administered per day over the past 7 days up to Monday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,105 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    April deliveries revised down to 860k


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Gael23 wrote: »
    April deliveries revised down to 860k

    200k a week so for the month.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,076 ✭✭✭✭vienne86


    rameire wrote: »
    11698 doses on Monday 29.3.21.
    2 thousand more than last monday.
    819,676 total doses.

    548867.PNG

    I always like the updates in this format - where do you find it?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    More good news from Pfizer/Biontech, they've updated their Phase 3 results
    https://investors.pfizer.com/investor-news/press-release-details/2021/Pfizer-and-BioNTech-Confirm-High-Efficacy-and-No-Serious-Safety-Concerns-Through-Up-to-Six-Months-Following-Second-Dose-in-Updated-Topline-Analysis-of-Landmark-COVID-19-Vaccine-Study/default.aspx

    "From the 927 confirmed symptomatic cases of COVID-19 in the trial, 850 cases of COVID-19 were in the placebo group and 77 cases were in the BNT162b2 group"

    "In South Africa, where the B.1.351 lineage is prevalent and 800 participants were enrolled, nine cases of COVID-19 were observed, all in the placebo group, indicating vaccine efficacy of 100%"

    "Vaccine safety has now been evaluated in more than 44,000 participants aged 16 years and older with more than 12,000 vaccinated participants having at least six months of follow-up after their second dose."

    Vaccine continues to provide effective protection after 6 months.

    RTE Headline later today "Vaccine provides protection for 6 months"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    Vaccine exports were released the other week. EU has exported over 70m. Usa has a vaccine export ban. UK exported 0. Weird the WHO decides to criticise the EU ahead of others.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,672 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Gael23 wrote: »
    April deliveries revised down to 860k


    Although any downward revision is disappointing, that 860k is as many vaccines as we administered during Q1.
    And all those Q1 vaccines have made a massive difference to our society.
    • Our elderly in nursing homes are no longer dying en masse
    • HCWs are protected and hospital staffing shortages aren't a concern.
    • Elderly can finally emerge from their cocoons at home
    • Grandparents can again meet grandkids without worry
    • People of all ages at high risk are being vaccinated.
    Imagine a similar level of new positives in a month's time :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    Vaccine exports were released the other week. EU has exported over 70m. Usa has a vaccine export ban. UK exported 0. Weird the WHO decides to criticise the EU ahead of others.

    They might be referring to the numbers of vaccines, delivered but not yet used is various EU countries, which is at scandelous levels.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭1huge1


    Flying Fox wrote: »
    Tweet says 'up to last Friday'. Still five days left in the month after that.

    Thank you, my mistake


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    If the Ro was exactly 1.0 under a certain lockdown level, and 10% of the population got vaccinated with a 90% effective vaccine, that would effectively reduced the Ro to 0.91 then wouldn't it? Keeping everything else constant.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,709 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Is it confirmed 860k deliveries in April or 860k to be administered?

    Does that include the big AstraZeneca delivery planned for this week?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    Gael23 wrote: »
    April deliveries revised down to 860k

    From what?


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