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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #7322
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    h2005 wrote: »
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/coronavirus-r-rate-school-closures-lockdown-lancet-study-b1251617.html?__twitter_impression=true

    Are we finally going to admit that schools lead to a significant hike in numbers? Once we do that at least we can begin the conversation on how we approach it (mitigate or choose to live with it). The nonsense of denying this is getting us nowhere and is only causing division.

    The study shows schools reopening increase the R number nearly as much as group gatherings.


    ... so gatherings of people in schools, increase the R number as much as gatherings of people in non-schools.

    What a shocker!

    Next we'll be told the €9 meal didnt fight off covid.


  • #7323
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,435 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    titan18 wrote: »
    At this stage I think continue with what's there til Easter, since that's only next Friday for their holidays but maybe unless cases come down, just let it at LC to go back and pull Primary.

    Pull primary? As in close primary schools for children in their formative years who already have had stop start schooling since March 2020?
    That what ya mean?


  • #7324
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,564 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    jhegarty wrote: »
    I am going assume there was less routing testing which would push up the positivity rate.

    I'd buy this if overall positives were low. But 607 is a large number, even if the denominator is potentially artificially reduced.


  • #7325
    redmgar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 681 ✭✭✭redmgar


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Pull primary? As in close primary schools for children in their formative years who already have had stop start schooling since March 2020?
    That what ya mean?

    Primary cant close again, irrespective of case numbers.


  • #7326
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,435 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    redmgar wrote: »
    Primary cant close again, irrespective of case numbers.

    100%.


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  • #7327
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,564 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Pull primary? As in close primary schools for children in their formative years who already have had stop start schooling since March 2020?
    That what ya mean?

    I don't get how people don't realise that in-person schooling is far far more important for primary school kids than Leaving Cert students.


  • #7328
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,617 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    titan18 wrote: »
    At this stage I think continue with what's there til Easter, since that's only next Friday for their holidays but maybe unless cases come down, just let it at LC to go back and pull Primary.

    Jesus wept. That's unbelievable.


  • #7329
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,435 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Amirani wrote: »
    I don't get how people don't realise that in-person schooling is far far more important for primary school kids than Leaving Cert students.

    Absolutely agree, teaching from home for primary school students is pure bull****.


  • #7330
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    tom1ie wrote: »
    100%.

    I love how everyone can quantify the damage closing schools will have on children but ignore the damage lockdowns have on the economy and individual livelyhoods and mental health.


  • #7331
    Sanjuro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    Amirani wrote: »
    I don't get how people don't realise that in-person schooling is far far more important for primary school kids than Leaving Cert students.

    My six year old is back 2 weeks now and the difference in her demeanor is immediately apparent. She's far more upbeat and full of energy... which, to be honest... is testing us in the evenings! But I'd rather have her back in school. Her school have been absolutely brilliant at all stages since last March.


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  • #7332
    pauldry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,618 ✭✭✭pauldry


    titan18 wrote: »
    At this stage I think continue with what's there til Easter, since that's only next Friday for their holidays but maybe unless cases come down, just let it at LC to go back and pull Primary.

    Thats nonsense. Kids need school.


  • #7333
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,435 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Monster249 wrote: »
    I love how everyone can quantify the damage closing schools will have on children but ignore the damage lockdowns have on the economy and individual livelyhoods and mental health.

    Sorry but kids take precedence. They are the future workforce after all and primary is an extraordinarily important time for them to develop, which has already been messed up this last year.


  • #7334
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Sorry but kids take precedence. They are the future workforce after all and primary is an extraordinarily important time for them to develop, which has already been messed up this last year.

    If we're agreeing that kids take precedent then you have to use the same logic and agree that elderly should be the least of our concern no?

    What about the impact this is having on young adults?


  • #7335
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Sorry but kids take precedence. They are the future workforce after all and primary is an extraordinarily important time for them to develop, which has already been messed up this last year.

    Not going to need a workforce if we continue with the financially reckless carry on with these lockdowns.


  • #7336
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Not going to need a workforce if we continue with the financially reckless carry on with these lockdowns.

    Exactly, for every point supporting schools taking precedent there's an equally strong point opposing it.


  • #7337
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,435 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Not going to need a workforce if we continue with the financially reckless carry on with these lockdowns.

    Listen I’m not saying we should be locked down to the extent we are, I’m simply saying primary schools CANNOT close again.


  • #7338
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Amirani wrote: »
    Martin Feely was a vascular surgeon. Completely inapplicable for anything to do with respiratory illnesses or public health. They're a famously specific specialty, hence why you don't see them speaking about healthcare outside their specialty. Feely did this based on his administrative role, not based on his medical background.

    Ronan Glynn is a member of the RCSI and the RCPI (quite uncommon for someone to achieve both). He has an incredibly accomplished medical CV; you mention that he has a BSc in Physiotherapy. You fail to mention that after that he got a Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery, PhD in Surgical Oncology and a Masters in Public Health.

    You were either unaware of that, or else you clearly have no knowledge of medical qualifications.

    Hang on, we can all be quite the wiki wonder, of course I know this, I'm as clever as you think I am stupid. So we agree Ronan has a great CV and then so has dolores Cahill and so have many others who don't sit on NPHET and yet anyone outside of the court de jour is labelled a heretic. The question is why do these people of great standing and medical prominence, decide to flush their achievements away over what most on here call, a Threat to national health.
    It doesn't add up and yet neither does a lot of the NPHET measures either...

    separately, can I send you my CV? you'd do well in public relations and promotions.;)


  • #7339
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Listen I’m not saying we should be locked down to the extent we are, I’m simply saying primary schools CANNOT close again.

    I'm not disagreeing, I'm just saying that other facets of the economy are equally as important and have been discarded like sour milk so nothing would surprise me.


  • #7340
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,435 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Monster249 wrote: »
    If we're agreeing that kids take precedent then you have to use the same logic and agree that elderly should be the least of our concern no?

    What about the impact this is having on young adults?

    Not at all, I use the logic that the vulnerable should be protected. Kids without an education are vulnerable more so than young adults who have their education.
    That’s a hard truth but there it is.


  • #7341
    redmgar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 681 ✭✭✭redmgar


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Listen I’m not saying we should be locked down to the extent we are, I’m simply saying primary schools CANNOT close again.

    Exactly, they aren't both mutually exclusive.


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  • #7342
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,435 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Monster249 wrote: »
    I'm not disagreeing, I'm just saying that other facets of the economy are equally as important and have been discarded like sour milk so nothing would surprise me.

    Kids educations are more important than young adults outlook on things who already have gained their education.
    It’s extremely hard for all involved but there has to be a hierarchy.


  • #7343
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Kids educations are more important than young adults outlook on things who already have gained their education.
    It’s extremely hard for all involved but there has to be a hierarchy.

    Who is anyone to say that kids going to school physically rather than remotely is more important than restoring the livelyhoods of hundreds of thousands of adults, many of whom have kids and families of their own who's lives have been destroyed by these restrictions?

    Neither is quantifiable anyway so this is all down to opinion and the Government share yours so anything I say is pointless!


  • #7344
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Kids educations are more important than young adults outlook on things who already have gained their education.
    It’s extremely hard for all involved but there has to be a hierarchy.

    The hierachy is the same as ever, young adults get **** on.


  • #7345
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,564 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    rusty cole wrote: »
    Hang on, we can all be quite the wiki wonder, of course I know this, I'm as clever as you think I am stupid. So we agree Ronan has a great CV and then so has dolores Cahill and so have many others who don't sit on NPHET and yet anyone outside of the court de jour is labelled a heretic. The question is why do these people of great standing and medical prominence, decide to flush their achievements away over what most on here call, a Threat to national health.
    It doesn't add up and yet neither does a lot of the NPHET measures either...

    separately, can I send you my CV? you'd do well in public relations and promotions.;)

    I don't need Wiki, Glynn has worked with a number of friends of mine. Dolores Cahill's CV is inferior to Ronan Glynn's in medicine terms. But that's immaterial to the matter, her views are at odds to the rest of medical community (and that of her employer), that's her problem.


  • #7346
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,435 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Monster249 wrote: »
    Who is anyone to say that kids going to school physically rather than remotely is more important than restoring the livelyhoods of hundreds of thousands of adults, many of whom have kids and families of their own who's lives have been destroyed by these restrictions?

    Neither is quantifiable anyway so this is all down to opinion and the Government share yours so anything I say is pointless!

    Yeah it’s my opinion, but can you honestly say the needs of a 6 year olds education do not outweigh a twenty something with a degree, who is waiting for the economy to open back up to get a job?


  • #7347
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,617 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    No word yet on restarting AZ. Apparently there'll be a press conference at 5.30 about it. A full working day wasted. Unbelievable.


  • #7348
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,564 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    icebabycc wrote: »
    In what way? He Graduated as a physio and done a masters in oncology

    Dolores has done a degree in Molecular Genetics and has PhD in Immunology, she co-founded a biotechnology company, has research, publication and patent record high content protein/antibody arrays and their biomedical applications.

    She might be a nut case, but she's alot more qualified in the field of virology, alot more.

    As my post says, inferior in Medicine terms. The other poster was trying to espouse Cahill's medical credentials, but what you've listed are scientific qualifications more than medical. A virology qualification is not a public health qualification.

    You've left out most of Glynn's qualifications for some reason, and got 1 of the 2 you listed wrong.


  • #7349
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    No word yet on restarting AZ. Apparently there'll be a press conference at 5.30 about it. A full working day wasted. Unbelievable.

    Do you not understand? It's not about the deaths that could be prevented by making sure the vaccine gets out there into people's arms.

    It's about the Irish authorities examining the issue, and considering things, and making decisions that make it look like they are the one's making assessments, not just relying on the real experts elsewhere.:)


  • #7350
    Hooked
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,955 ✭✭✭Hooked


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    No word yet on restarting AZ. Apparently there'll be a press conference at 5.30 about it. A full working day wasted. Unbelievable.

    Only a day...

    They wasted a BLOODY YEAR and did nothing of note with the hospitals (capacity).

    This virus is nowhere near as deadly as our piss-poor health system would have us believe!


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  • #7351
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1372946245883473925


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