COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

Strazdas · 15-03-2021 09:27PM

Godot. wrote: »

If Johnson & Johnson hit the ground running next month a lot can be forgiven. If they don't the EU vaccination programme is without doubt a shambles.

Look how cohesive the US's vaccination programme has been. Joint together thinking, assisting in every stage of production with the private companies... something the EU should have been doing last year but only realised it in Feburary 2021.

But the major difference is that "the EU" has absolutely no responsibility for health or for producing vaccines - it is not a government.

The US has a federal government which is directly responsible for the health of its own citizens. The EU has no authority to do what you are suggesting and nor does it vaccinate people (only the individual member states can do the above).

Apogee · 15-03-2021 09:41PM

Some info from Ray Walley/NPHET briefing:

-99% over 85s received first dose last week
-First round 2nd dose to over 85s start this week - completed within 4 weeks
-Vaccination over 80s continues
-Some over 75s will receive first doses this week but priority given to over 80s
-Still on target to complete by mid-May
-GPs supplying details of housebound to HSE
-GPs "meeting no vaccine hesitancy"
-Another clinic in Helix this weekend
-HSE putting in a 'relationship manager' for each practice
-HSE to provide more notice to GPs about definitive numbers for vaccination
-Evidence of increased number of COVID referrals by GPs, including in older people.

-130,000 doses administered to Cohort 3 as of last week.
-This week 30,000 first doses mostly for over 80s
-15,000 2nd doses for over 85s + 8,000 Moderna 2nd doses
-250 visits from NAS to housebound. 1,800 housebound identified to date.
-Approx 1000 over 70s in hospital.
-Majority of over 70s have medical/visit card (apart from 800 nationwide) and can be tracked via PCRS system by HSE - realtime tracking of administration of vaccines.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1371520231982571521

Karina Butler/NIAC on AZ clusters - Decision was not made on basis of normal clots that you would expect to see in populations. Rather in Norway, it was a cluster of 3 cases in a single hospital within a 2 week period in a younger age group.

Van.Bosch · 15-03-2021 09:44PM

Yevon wrote: »

If the EMA gives the go ahead to continue as before, they will likely be administered over next weekend when numbers usually drop due to lack of supply. Which is probably a more reasonable step than trying to get people to make their way to a MCV in the middle of the night Thursday when they can just get it Saturday/Sunday instead.

Ah yeah, was half joking. Hopefully we are back on track by Sunday with higher weekend numbers.

Bubbaclaus · 15-03-2021 09:45PM

Headshot wrote: »

Do we know when the over 70s with higher risks are due for the vaccine?

Anyone over 70 that is not in a nursing home is in Group 3 that is in progress.

VonLuck · 15-03-2021 09:49PM

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

Jaysus, looking at Facebook today a lot of people expect Michael Martin to convince Joe Biden to hand us over a couple of million jabs during the St Paddy's Day Zoom call.

It's not out of the realm of possibility. They are currently holding onto 30 million doses of AstraZeneca that they're not using. Biden has a fondness for Ireland so I'm sure he'd want to help in any way possible.

The problem is how do you sell it to the voting public. I don't think it'd ever look well selling vaccines to another country before your own is fully vaccinated.

odyssey06 · 15-03-2021 09:51PM

VonLuck wrote: »

It's not out of the realm of possibility. They are currently holding onto 30 million doses of AstraZeneca that they're not using. Biden has a fondness for Ireland so I'm sure he'd want to help in any way possible.
The problem is how do you sell it to the voting public. I don't think it'd ever look well selling vaccines to another country before your own is fully vaccinated.

He needs to invoke Roosevelt and Lend Lease and position it as either a loan deal or to shore up allies. Rather than a sell off.

Bubbaclaus · 15-03-2021 09:52PM

The only chance of the US giving us some vaccines before every American has been offered one would be if we agreed to become the 51st State.

User142 · 15-03-2021 09:57PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

The only chance of the US giving us some vaccines before every American has been offered one would be if we agreed to become the 51st State.

8 million vaccines for the treaty ports.

Azatadine · 15-03-2021 09:59PM

The Belgian view....

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1371563480449486848?s=19

Bubbaclaus · 15-03-2021 10:03PM

Can anyone explain the 105k (so far) people in Cohort 1 that have received a dose? I thought the nursing home population was about 25k or so? Are we saying there is 80k staff there on top of this?

Monster249 · 15-03-2021 10:04PM

Azatadine wrote: »

The Belgian view....

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1371563480449486848?s=19

Yeah, they probably recognize the urgency of getting the economy open and keeping it open. We're content borrowing hundreds of millions a week 'just to be safe'

Danzy · 15-03-2021 10:14PM

VonLuck wrote: »

It's not out of the realm of possibility. They are currently holding onto 30 million doses of AstraZeneca that they're not using. Biden has a fondness for Ireland so I'm sure he'd want to help in any way possible.

The problem is how do you sell it to the voting public. I don't think it'd ever look well selling vaccines to another country before your own is fully vaccinated.

They are weeks away from having everyone at least one vaccine.

So the surplus will be up soon.

They and Britain are promising to give their massive excess to the third world, hopefully they'll side line some of that to the EU as well.

Help those who can't or won't help themselves.

It's in their interest as well economically to do so, and in the interests of the 3rd world as well.

Van.Bosch · 15-03-2021 10:23PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Can anyone explain the 105k (so far) people in Cohort 1 that have received a dose? I thought the nursing home population was about 25k or so? Are we saying there is 80k staff there on top of this?

I don’t know why but it drives me mad seeing dose 1 going up in cohort 1 & 2.

I heard initially we had 90,000 in cohort 1 inc staff and 120,000 in cohort 2.

Obviously these are the priority, I just wish we knew the total. I think I heard last week that dose 1 should be done in cohort 1 last week.

dwayneshintzy · 16-03-2021 07:46AM

Just after taking the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine this morning (not in Ireland). Apart from a slightly sore arm, no side effects. Second shot due on April 6th.

shamco · 16-03-2021 08:32AM

FFS just heard on the radio that if the EMA clear the AZ vaccine we can restart vaccinations next week. Surely we should restart immediately.

robinph · 16-03-2021 08:42AM

Apogee wrote: »

Karina Butler/NIAC on AZ clusters - Decision was not made on basis of normal clots that you would expect to see in populations. Rather in Norway, it was a cluster of 3 cases in a single hospital within a 2 week period in a younger age group.

Which absolutely needs investigating as something odd is happening. That the same batch they are blaming this on is being used across the EU without similar issues suggests it's probably something else.

Whilst they might not be currently vaccinating similar age groups across the EU, there are plenty in the UK of younger ages vaccinated, and presumably Norway has been vaccinating similar age groups across Norway.

This points to either just some freak occurrence, or something else going on at that hospital. Would be a reason to pause vaccination at that hospital, not sure there is reason to suspend across the EU/ World based on those cases though.

is_that_so · 16-03-2021 08:56AM

New Finnish company looking to develop a nasal vaccine, very early days as they are now seeking funding for clinical trials to start quite soon.

The spin-out from the Universities of Helsinki and Eastern Finland will leverage years of research to test and bring to market a nasal spray vaccine against COVID-19.

https://www.europeanpharmaceuticalreview.com/news/146970/new-finnish-company-to-develop-a-nasal-spray-vaccine-for-covid-19/

JTMan · 16-03-2021 08:58AM

What happens when nearly all of those aged 16+ get the vaccine, but yet, as many predict, Covid-19 still continues to circulate? Does it predominantly become a disease of children? (I realise that those aged 12-15 might be able to get a vaccine in late 2021).

https://twitter.com/DrZoeHyde/status/1371443128121532417

is_that_so · 16-03-2021 09:06AM

JTMan wrote: »

What happens when nearly all of those aged 16+ get the vaccine, but yet, as many predict, Covid-19 still continues to circulate? Does it predominantly become a disease of children? (I realise that those aged 12-15 might be able to get a vaccine in late 2021).

https://twitter.com/DrZoeHyde/status/1371443128121532417

Gotta say that's irresponsible and hopefully one that will come back to bite her very hard. Late 2021 is very optimistic, more like next year.

Godot. · 16-03-2021 09:09AM

shamco wrote: »

FFS just heard on the radio that if the EMA clear the AZ vaccine we can restart vaccinations next week. Surely we should restart immediately.

Urgh, surely not true. Tiresome, endless bureaucracy.

robinph · 16-03-2021 09:10AM

JTMan wrote: »

What happens when nearly all of those aged 16+ get the vaccine, but yet, as many predict, Covid-19 still continues to circulate? Does it predominantly become a disease of children? (I realise that those aged 12-15 might be able to get a vaccine in late 2021).

https://twitter.com/DrZoeHyde/status/1371443128121532417

Possibly, but the existing vaccines will have been trialed on younger age groups by then and with most of the adult population vaccinated and hopefully not transmitting it around its not going to be able to get as far among the younger population. Kids aren't travelling huge distances on their own every day and have far less spread out social circles. Maybe you need to do testing before inter school sports competitions happen, but if adults aren't transmitting it around the country/ world at that point then kids aren't going to be either. Becomes a lot more manageable if all adults are breaks in the chain of transmission.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 16-03-2021 09:14AM

robinph wrote: »

Which absolutely needs investigating as something odd is happening. That the same batch they are blaming this on is being used across the EU without similar issues suggests it's probably something else.

Whilst they might not be currently vaccinating similar age groups across the EU, there are plenty in the UK of younger ages vaccinated, and presumably Norway has been vaccinating similar age groups across Norway.

This points to either just some freak occurrence, or something else going on at that hospital. Would be a reason to pause vaccination at that hospital, not sure there is reason to suspend across the EU/ World based on those cases though.

Might be a risk factor that is being vaccinated for in Norway that aren't being vaccinated for elsewhere.

We might come out of this with a line in the manual, don't vaccinate someone prone to blood clots or someone on drug x and everyone getting the vaccine might be asked have you a history with blood clots.

is_that_so · 16-03-2021 09:16AM

Godot. wrote: »

Urgh, surely not true. Tiresome, endless bureaucracy.

Probably next week unless something alarming emerges.

stephenjmcd · 16-03-2021 09:21AM

shamco wrote: »

FFS just heard on the radio that if the EMA clear the AZ vaccine we can restart vaccinations next week. Surely we should restart immediately.

Well you've to schedule people in again & then distribute supplies, can't start that process until Thursday or Friday once they get the go ahead so yeah it'll be over the weekend into early next week.

leahyl · 16-03-2021 09:49AM

There was a GP on with Rachel English on Morning Ireland and I thought he spoke very well and certainly would allay any fears someone might have about taking the AstraZeneca vaccine. He was to the point and balanced.

Mark1916 · 16-03-2021 10:49AM

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1371759257004171266?s=21

stephenjmcd · 16-03-2021 10:52AM

Mark1916 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1371759257004171266?s=21

About an extra 100k doses so. Pfizer are scheduled for just over 2 million doses to Ireland in Q2 out of an estimated 3.8 million. They're doing alot of the heavy lifting

is_that_so · 16-03-2021 10:58AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

About an extra 100k doses so. Pfizer are scheduled for just over 2 million doses to Ireland in Q2 out of an estimated 3.8 million. They're doing alot of the heavy lifting

All of it!

ACitizenErased · 16-03-2021 11:03AM

God bless BioNTech. And Pfizer too.

funnydoggy · 16-03-2021 11:04AM

I feel sorry for Oxford tbh

COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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