COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

Nqp15hhu · 09-03-2021 06:05AM

astrofool wrote: »

I think it's been pretty much wall to wall coverage on slow vaccine rollout and supply chain issues, most comparisons have been with the UK instead of NI, but they happen pretty frequently.

What's important is that the most vulnerable who had the highest % of dying have been vaccinated, we're now building on top of a solid base, the risk drops off exponentially for the groups as we work down, once group 3-6 are done (probably sometime in April), the program is really about stopping the spread and reducing the small remaing % risk of people dying (remembering that each % is a human life for every 100 people who catch the disease).

Northern Ireland is in the U.K. we have the same rate as the rest of the country.

NeuralNetwork · 09-03-2021 06:19AM

Is there a particular reason why Ireland opted out of extra Moderna vaccines?

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-countries-moderna-coronavirus-vaccine-order/

“According to the document, 16 countries opted out of the vaccine top-up, including: Poland, Romania, Belgium, Greece, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Ireland, Lithuania, Slovenia, Latvia, Estonia, Cyprus, Luxembourg and Malta.”

stefanovich · 09-03-2021 08:47AM

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

Is there a particular reason why Ireland opted out of extra Moderna vaccines?

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-countries-moderna-coronavirus-vaccine-order/

“According to the document, 16 countries opted out of the vaccine top-up, including: Poland, Romania, Belgium, Greece, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Ireland, Lithuania, Slovenia, Latvia, Estonia, Cyprus, Luxembourg and Malta.”

Not exactly the richest set of countries. Money?

09-03-2021 08:51AM

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

Is there a particular reason why Ireland opted out of extra Moderna vaccines?

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-countries-moderna-coronavirus-vaccine-order/

“According to the document, 16 countries opted out of the vaccine top-up, including: Poland, Romania, Belgium, Greece, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Ireland, Lithuania, Slovenia, Latvia, Estonia, Cyprus, Luxembourg and Malta.”

I think it is right there in the article - the extra doses will be too late - we will have 80% plus of the population vaccinated with Pfizer J&J et al continuing to supply vaccines that will sort the rest of the population. These are not doses that ara available now. It is at least Q3 before they come on stream, by which time Curevac will also be available

SnuggyBear · 09-03-2021 09:07AM

Haven't been keeping up with the progress. When are the over 70s supposed to be done now?

Elessar · 09-03-2021 09:11AM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Haven't been keeping up with the progress. When are the over 70s supposed to be done now?

Mid May for full vaccination.

With the pace it's going it seems like almost everyone in the country is either elderly or has serious health problems.

Dhenalau · 09-03-2021 09:15AM

Is is a joke as expected:
Around 3% of population fully vaccinated, Dept says
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0304/1200975-hse-coronavirus-briefing/

My wife older parents 78 and 80 (in Meath) are still waiting for their vaccine call

I do not understand why Nphet is even thinking of easing the restriction for vaccinated people when we are at such a low rate...
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/nphet-to-examine-potential-of-additional-freedoms-for-people-vaccinated-1093051.html

Irish Stones · 09-03-2021 09:16AM

Dressoutlet wrote: »

And there's still people saying there's no point taking the vaccine because they don't stop transmission.

They never said the vaccine stops transmission.

Irish Stones · 09-03-2021 09:18AM

chrisbonnie wrote: »

https://www.rt.com/russia/517540-italy-eu-sputnik-vaccine-production/

Italy have signed a deal to produce the sputnik vaccine. Interesting times.

If it true we don't have any facilities here in Ireland that can produce vaccines?

It will take months/a year at least to see the first vial coming out of an Italian facility. When the first vial comes out, that kind of vaccine will be obsolete.

eoinbn · 09-03-2021 09:19AM

Elessar wrote: »

Mid May for full vaccination.

With the pace it's going it seems like almost everyone in the country is either elderly or has serious health problems.

If AZ is approved for the over 70s then first doses could be done much earlier but second doses would be pushed out until June/July.

Irish Stones · 09-03-2021 09:24AM

stefanovich wrote: »

Not exactly the richest set of countries. Money?

Aren't Belgium and Luxembourg rich?

GeorgeBailey · 09-03-2021 09:29AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Yes. And we should start opening up pubs and restaurants and shops etc for everyone who is vaccinated.

No. Not until everyone has been offered a vaccine. Otherwise it makes a mockery of the whole "we're all in this together". And it'd be likely to lead to wholesale abandonment of social distancing measures.

jackryan34 · 09-03-2021 09:41AM

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

No. Not until everyone has been offered a vaccine. Otherwise it makes a mockery of the whole "we're all in this together". And it'd be likely to lead to wholesale abandonment of social distancing measures.

Why vaccination only?

They only have antibodies for the spike protein.Not the whole virus

People who got a natural infection recently are far less likely to transmit the virus and get infected again than the vaccinated.

Its why they dont have to self isolate after being in contact with a confirmed pcr covid case and vaccinated do

If youve got your full vaccine dosages and sit for a meal with a confirmed pcr covid case for a long time do you have to self isolate for 2 weeks?

09-03-2021 09:42AM

Dhenalau wrote: »

Is is a joke as expected:
Around 3% of population fully vaccinated, Dept says
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0304/1200975-hse-coronavirus-briefing/

My wife older parents 78 and 80 (in Meath) are still waiting for their vaccine call

I do not understand why Nphet is even thinking of easing the restriction for vaccinated people when we are at such a low rate...
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/nphet-to-examine-potential-of-additional-freedoms-for-people-vaccinated-1093051.html

Why not?

is_that_so · 09-03-2021 09:44AM

Dhenalau wrote: »

Is is a joke as expected:
Around 3% of population fully vaccinated, Dept says
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0304/1200975-hse-coronavirus-briefing/

My wife older parents 78 and 80 (in Meath) are still waiting for their vaccine call

I do not understand why Nphet is even thinking of easing the restriction for vaccinated people when we are at such a low rate...
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/nphet-to-examine-potential-of-additional-freedoms-for-people-vaccinated-1093051.html

The under 80s are not being done yet. There are also currently doing about 4 groups simultaneously. Examining the potential doesn't mean they'll recommend doing it.

Happydays2020 · 09-03-2021 09:46AM

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

No. Not until everyone has been offered a vaccine. Otherwise it makes a mockery of the whole "we're all in this together". And it'd be likely to lead to wholesale abandonment of social distancing measures.

Why? Do you want to keep everything shut and the young people face the debt? Older people cannot enjoy themselves while young people remain miserable.

Shutting businesses is extraordinary. People will need to realise that things have to open up as soon as possible.

Anything that can safely open things up should be on the table even if there are restrictions still on some other people.

Cork2021 · 09-03-2021 09:50AM

I do like being positive, but it does look like we’re being screwed by AstraZeneca, we face vaccine shortfalls UK gets increases

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1369073411113299968?s=21

is_that_so · 09-03-2021 09:52AM

Cork2021 wrote: »

I do like being positive, but it does look like we’re being screwed by AstraZeneca, we face vaccine shortfalls UK gets increases

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1369073411113299968?s=21

Everyone apart from the UK is being screwed by them. I do hope that some doses are making their way to COVAX.

Cork2021 · 09-03-2021 09:54AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Everyone apart from the UK is being screwed by them. I do hope that some doses are making their way to COVAX.

Us as in EU Is what I meant

is_that_so · 09-03-2021 09:56AM

Cork2021 wrote: »

Us as in EU Is what I meant

I think there's a lot of robbing Peter to pay Paul in their management of deliveries worldwide at present.

SnuggyBear · 09-03-2021 09:57AM

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

No. Not until everyone has been offered a vaccine. Otherwise it makes a mockery of the whole "we're all in this together". And it'd be likely to lead to wholesale abandonment of social distancing measures.

So your version of all in this together is to keep business closed and people out of work while other people can work away at home?

wadacrack · 09-03-2021 10:03AM

Given how effective this vaccine is. Some good news this week about J & J would be really welcome

is_that_so · 09-03-2021 10:05AM

wadacrack wrote: »

Given how effective this vaccine is. Some good news this week about J & J would be really welcome

FDA approval suggests it is a given, but some Ts and Is to be taken care of!

jackryan34 · 09-03-2021 10:23AM

"jackryan34 wrote:

If you've got your full vaccine dosages and sit for a meal with a confirmed pcr covid case for a long time do you have to self isolate for 2 weeks?

Can anyone answer this?

Can't see it on HSE site

odyssey06 · 09-03-2021 10:28AM

jackryan34 wrote: »

Can anyone answer this?

Can't see it on HSE site

You should assume yes you have to self-isolate.
Vaccines do not guarantee prevention of transmission.

is_that_so · 09-03-2021 10:29AM

jackryan34 wrote: »

Dont really get it either

If all the vulnerable are vaccinated why do any businesses need to be closed?

Vulnerable are protected and others will be in little danger from the virus

Why would you only let vaccinated mingle in restaurants?

Vaccine doesn't stop transmission completely, they are incredibly effective at keeping people out of hospital and non vulnerable are more likely to have no symptoms than be sick so no threat to health service

Who's more likely to use the health service vaccinated 65+ year olds or healthy young non vaccinated people

And if we are going down that vaccinated only route in restaurants, cinemas.etc

Why didn't we let people under 25 into restaurants, cinemas etc all along, they are at less danger of dieing of Covid than vaccinated 70 year olds

We dont discriminate by age but we discriminate by pharmacology?

The problem with this idea of vaccinated people getting preferences is that there is a view that this is over once we complete Groups 1-8 or maybe even after Group 4 so it will be very hard to convince people to continue. They certainly won't tolerate a scenario where large numbers will be prevented from doing specific activities.

seamus · 09-03-2021 10:44AM

jackryan34 wrote: »

Can anyone answer this?

Can't see it on HSE site

This question hasn't been answered yet, I expect they have yet to update their guidance.

For the time being if you're a close contact, then your vaccination status will be irrelevant. This is because you may still be capable of transmitting the infection even if you're vaccinated/asymptomatic. So close contacts will still have to restrict movements and get tested twice.

As time moves on it'll likely be updated. Probably just a single test after 7 days and if that's negative then you're grand.

lee_baby_simms · 09-03-2021 10:47AM

Should this be a cause for concern? I hope not.

https://wkzo.com/2021/03/08/vaccine-response-may-be-weaker-in-elderly-merck-drug-shows-promise-in-reducing-virus-level/

ACitizenErased · 09-03-2021 10:51AM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Should this be a cause for concern? I hope not.

https://wkzo.com/2021/03/08/vaccine-response-may-be-weaker-in-elderly-merck-drug-shows-promise-in-reducing-virus-level/

That's only measuring antibody levels, there is way more to immunity than just antibodies. Also hasn't been peer reviewed yet so massive pinch of salt.

stephenjmcd · 09-03-2021 10:54AM

wadacrack wrote: »

Given how effective this vaccine is. Some good news this week about J & J would be really welcome

Approval is basically a given after the FDA said yes, however J&J flagged previously that regardless of approval it'll be into April before deliveries begin so there'll be little way to go yet with it.

COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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