The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

dobman88 wrote: »

Well you just said he had to block plenty of people so why say it if you dont know? I'm sure he has better things to do than to reply to me on Twitter.

You seem to speak for other posters a lot. I dont know if he has received abuse. What I do know is he blocked a poster from here for asking why he was ill prepared in an important debate, that doesn't constitute abuse surely? Asking a simple question.

He doesn't need to block anyone that just disagrees with him either tho. If he does get abuse, that person deserves to be blocked, yes.

He blocked people for abuse he was receiving. That's not right. There's no way of dressing that up.

tritium wrote: »

Probably, in one report he claimed that


Even though it’s pretty easy to show that per capita (which mentioning schools implies) dublin receive less than the rest of Leinster. I dont doubt John knows that given the career he has so he either hasn’t done his homework or is deliberately misrepresenting things.

The East Leinster project doesn't include Offaly or Westmeath and the funding was never done on a per capita basis.

ArielAtom wrote: »

Connellan did block me. There was zero abuse as alluded by another poster, Connellan just was not up for logical debate. But to use the angle that I abused Connellan suits the other posters rhetoric. The arguments are now a busted flush.

You can't even respond to any of my posts because of the schooling you received earlier in the thread. The lack of condemnation of the abuse John Connellan has received is very telling here.

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dobman88 wrote: »

Are you referring to the 1 poster on here that was blocked who has already clarified he did not abuse Connellan or how do you know he blocked people? I've had a look and nothing on his feed to suggest he blocked a load of people.

I agree, nobody should be subject to abuse online.

The message that is being put as a subtly as a sledgehammer is that I was blocked due to abuse. It could not be further from the truth. If it’s suits a poster that has been schooled by the majority on here. A busted flush. And they know it. The poster with no allegiance to a county, or not he will admit to. Must be really embarrassed of their roots. You can’t take them seriously anymore.

ArielAtom wrote: »

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The message that is being put as a subtly as a sledgehammer is that I was blocked due to abuse. It could not be further from the truth. If it’s suits a poster that has been schooled by the majority on here. A busted flush. And they know it. The poster with no allegiance to a county, or not he will admit to. Must be really embarrassed of their roots. You can’t take them seriously anymore.

The quote function must be broken for you on my posts?

Enquiring wrote: »

The East Leinster project doesn't include Offaly or Westmeath and the funding was never done on a per capita basis.

And he possibly thought he was being quite cute with that sly piece of selective data

From the GAA 2019 annual report, page 196
Games development allocations by county

Offaly. €212594
Westmeath. €243372
Dublin. €1337630


From the CSO
5-14 year olds by county based on 2016 census
Offaly. 12096
Westmeath. 13311
Dublin. 168828

The numbers don’t support him, Connellans statement was more about rhetoric than facts

tritium wrote: »

And he possibly thought he was being quite cute with that sly piece of selective data

From the GAA 2019 annual report, page 196
Games development allocations by county

Offaly. €212594
Westmeath. €243372
Dublin. €1337630


From the CSO
5-14 year olds by county based on 2016 census
Offaly. 12096
Westmeath. 13311
Dublin. 168828

The numbers don’t support him, Connellans statement was more about rhetoric than facts

It's like we have gone back in time here. This has been busted a long time ago. The only sly bit of selective data is coming from yourself. The funding isn't divided on a per capita basis. It never has been. Do you want me to quote you the Dublin and Cork comparisons again?

Dublin are still receiving far more than everyone else after already having 2 decades of the disparity.

tritium wrote: »

Simple question

Connellan made a very specific statement

Is that supported by those figures

In case you missed it, this was his quote



And the figures are what you responded too

John Connellan can speak for himself. I've already stated that I disagree with his analysis and using per capita figures is not the way the funding has been split. As you know, everyone has been receiving in and around the same apart from Dublin.

Enquiring wrote: »

John Connellan can speak for himself. I've already stated that I disagree with his analysis and using per capita figures is not the way the funding has been split. As you know, everyone has been receiving in and around the same apart from Dublin.

And another part of your argument falls apart

Tell me so, per capita doesn’t float your boat, even though the figure I’ve given reflect basically the target group for this funding. And you state you disagree with Connellan, so registered player approaches are out.

What approach do you think is “fair” for allocating gd funding

He was probably using that 30,000 figure for registered kids in dublin that gets trotted out here on a regular basis

Enquiring wrote: »

My argument has stayed the same throughout and you haven't been able to touch it. Or have you found an excuse for Dublin have many multiples the number of coaches Cork have with around the same number of youth teams and players?

I disagree with Connellan stating that funding should be stopped in Dublin. The 4 new counties should continue to receive funding.

You’re not answering how funding should be allocated. That was the question you were asked

Enquiring wrote: »

My argument has stayed the same throughout and you haven't been able to touch it. Or have you found an excuse for Dublin have many multiples the number of coaches Cork have with around the same number of youth teams and players?

I disagree with Connellan stating that funding should be stopped in Dublin. The 4 new counties should continue to receive funding.

What 4 new counties ? Dublin is one County and i believe will stay that way

ShyMets wrote: »

You spoke about the funding being fair. In your mind what does fair look like

Like with Dublin in 2002, each county will have their own task force set up to best identify what is needed to improve all areas of Gaelic games, participation, especially female participation, hurling, football, camógie, elite standards etc.

This will all have to be costed of course but it's important to get one key element right in my opinion. Now this is going to sound absurd to those who want the status quo to remain. If there's an imbalance in the funding, it should be in favour of the weaker counties, the ones without natural advantages. For some reason, the GAA decided to do the opposite two decades ago. They over funded Dublin to the detriment of all others.

Now, obviously without any analysis done as yet, the details of what each county will get can't be known. The vision would be that every county would have an equal opportunity to compete in all competitions. Of course there is always population differences but that can be overcome. If it's population and resources that are lacking, then it's almost impossible.

Each county will have officials put in place to oversee the implementation of the plan created for their county. They will have targets and standards to maintain. Other things like caps on spending, pooled sponsorship etc will also need to be looked at.

That's a basic outline of what I view as a fair system that we should have in place.

tritium wrote: »

Already asked repeatedly and no meaningful answer forthcoming. He apparently will use some sort of secret case by case formula that makes everything work.

He does assure us that they’ll only be a small difference between the coaches each county will get. I suspect given his concern for cork (pop 550k) and the coaches they need that will lead to a consequent windfall for Leitrim (32k population), possibly even a personal coach for every child. Why that’s fair? Who knows. I suspect even Leitrim would see it as a waste

In reality I suspect there is no plan apart from making sure his own county are top of the pile. If they can’t win on the field of play they’ll try to win in the boardrooms.

Wrong again. You're consistent in that if nothing else.

The funding disparity apologists see a vision of continuing with one county having an income of 5 and 6 million more than most others and spending close to 4 million on player development yearly. I don't think you'll have any answer as to why you think that would lead to fair competitions?

In fact it's not the only thing you can't answer. Why Cork with a similar amount of youth teams and players have access to fractions of the number of coaches available to Dublin for example.