All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

King Mob · 03-03-2021 9:54am

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe you should read the book. You appear to be obsessed with it.

And question dodged.
He does not say anything about any of the conspiracies you believe in that book.

Thanks for confirming this.

EyesClosed · 03-03-2021 9:59am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm not qualified to comment on it. All I'm saying is that it's included in the leaked game plan.

Why focus 5G out of all of the things listed in the game plan?

Is Bret Weinstein qualified to talk about a possible lab leak? And he describes himself as extremely progressive before someone says that he's a crazy right-winger.

I'm focusing on 5g because it's totally nonsense. So if you can see the 5g argument is silly... Then maybe you can realise their other scary theories are also silly.

If the evil one world government needs 5g to track us all to complete their plans... And 5g can't actually be used for tracking... Then the rest of it falls over

03-03-2021 10:11am

EyesClosed wrote: »

I'm focusing on 5g because it's totally nonsense. So if you can see the 5g argument is silly... Then maybe you can realise their other scary theories are also silly.

If the evil one world government needs 5g to track us all to complete their plans... And 5g can't actually be used for tracking... Then the rest of it falls over

As I say, I have an open mind. But all of the things with ticks next to them appear to have happened. Let's see what happens with the other things. There are more things than just 5G listed in that leaked game plan. The 5G thing being bogus doesn't mean that the other things are bogus.

Would you agree that it appears to be the case that the things with ticks next to them have happened?

EyesClosed · 03-03-2021 10:14am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

As I say, I have an open mind. But all of the things with ticks next to them appear to have happened. Let's see what happens with the other things. There are more things than just 5G listed in that leaked game plan. The 5G thing being bogus doesn't mean that the other things are bogus.

Would you agree that it appears to be the case that the things with ticks next to them have happened?

But you're totally missing the point.
Its easy to collect a bunch of things that have happened... And then make up stuff that MIGHT happen.
But when the MIGHT happen needs something that's technically impossible... Then it's nonsense.

It's like me saying world war 2 happened...so with 5g zombies will happen.

I get my tick for world war 2... So that must mean zombies is true.

This is literally the logic you are using.

King Mob · 03-03-2021 10:16am

Deleted User wrote: »

As I say, I have an open mind. But all of the things with ticks next to them appear to have happened. Let's see what happens with the other things. There are more things than just 5G listed in that leaked game plan. The 5G thing being bogus doesn't mean that the other things are bogus.

Would you agree that it appears to be the case that the things with ticks next to them have happened?

But the 5G thing is nonsense.
It's obviously nonsense.
You know it's nonsense because you can't even suggest a plausible method by which it could be used for what's it's claimed for.

If it's not nonsense, why are you continually dodging questions?

And since it is nonsense and it's included in this "leaked game plan" then yes, it makes the game plan suspect.
How can it be real if it claims something that isn't true?

03-03-2021 10:19am

EyesClosed wrote: »

But you're totally missing the point.
Its easy to collect a bunch of things that have happened... And then make up stuff that MIGHT happen.
But when the MIGHT happen needs something that's technically impossible... Then it's nonsense.

It's like me saying world war 2 happened...so with 5g zombies will happen.

I get my tick for world war 2... So that must mean zombies is true.

This is literally the logic you are using.

It'd be interesting to know when the game plan was leaked. If it was leaked in around March or April then it would suggest that it is legit.

King Mob · 03-03-2021 10:20am

Deleted User wrote: »

It'd be interesting to know when the game plan was leaked. If it was leaked in around March or April then it would suggest that it is legit.

And questions and points dodged again.
It's almost like you're not even reading the posts addressed to you.

Again, why?
Why do this to defend a believe you know is nonsense?

EyesClosed · 03-03-2021 10:22am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It'd be interesting to know when the game plan was leaked. If it was leaked in around March or April then it would suggest that it is legit.

But the game play is a random pic... Anyone could have made it up. Also can you answer my questions around 5g?

03-03-2021 10:25am

EyesClosed wrote: »

But the game play is a random pic... Anyone could have made it up. Also can you answer my questions around 5g?

If the game plan was leaked in March or April of last year then do you think it could be argued that it's legit?

I don't know enough about 5g to be able to comment on it. I don't know. But, as I said, just because the 5g thing doesn't mean that the other things are.

Timberrrrrrrr · 03-03-2021 10:27am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If the game plan was leaked in March or April of last year then do you think it could be argued that it's legit?

I don't know enough about 5g to be able to comment on it. I don't know. But, as I said, just because the 5g thing doesn't mean that the other things are.

It's not a "game plan" though, it's a list that someone has knocked together at home to suck in gullible fools, and it's obviously working.

King Mob · 03-03-2021 10:27am

Deleted User wrote: »

If the game plan was leaked in March or April of last year then do you think it could be argued that it's legit?

And if it wasn't?
Maybe this is something you should actually look into before believing.

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't know enough about 5g to be able to comment on it. I don't know. But, as I said, just because the 5g thing doesn't mean that the other things are.

So you can't answer the questions.
So we can conclude that the claims about 5G are nonsense.
Great.

If the game plan is real, why does it claim something that is obviously not true?

EyesClosed · 03-03-2021 10:28am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If the game plan was leaked in March or April of last year then do you think it could be argued that it's legit?

I don't know enough about 5g to be able to comment on it. I don't know. But, as I said, just because the 5g thing doesn't mean that the other things are.

The game plan is a random pic... Show me who leaked it and when... Twitter doesn't count as a source. If the answer here is you don't know... Then that surely shows its nonsense. You whole theory is based on an IF. If my brother was a girl he'd be my sister... See how silly basing theories on a random what if is?

And yes 5g being wrong very much means everything else is wrong... I've explained this to you twice now... I think you're ignoring it cause you don't want it to be wrong.

03-03-2021 10:40am

EyesClosed wrote: »

The game plan is a random pic... Show me who leaked it and when... Twitter doesn't count as a source. If the answer here is you don't know... Then that surely shows its nonsense. You whole theory is based on an IF. If my brother was a girl he'd be my sister... See how silly basing theories on a random what if is?

And yes 5g being wrong very much means everything else is wrong... I've explained this to you twice now... I think you're ignoring it cause you don't want it to be wrong.

Bu there's a lot of ifs and maybes when it comes to conspiracy hypotheses. All we can do is examine the evidence and speculate.

I'll do a bit research on the leaked game plan to try to find out when it was leaked.

EyesClosed · 03-03-2021 10:48am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Bu there's a lot of ifs and maybes when it comes to conspiracy hypotheses. All we can do is examine the evidence and speculate.

I'll do a bit research on the leaked game plan to try to find out when it was leaked.

Your source can't be twitter or a YouTube video.

So are you willing to admit that 5g scares are nonsense?

King Mob · 03-03-2021 10:54am

Deleted User wrote: »

Bu there's a lot of ifs and maybes when it comes to conspiracy hypotheses. All we can do is examine the evidence and speculate.

But you don't examine anything it seems. When you're asked to examine something with any level of critical thinking, you ignore and run away.
You haven't provided any evidence for anything. And when you're asked to provide evidence, you ignore, lie and run away.
And you don't speculate. When you're asked to give an opinion or elaborate on what you think of belief, you lie and deflect and run away.

Deleted User wrote: »

I'll do a bit research on the leaked game plan to try to find out when it was leaked.

No, you won't. You're going to run away and pretend that these points weren't brought up.
You will do no research on this "game plan" you will not bother to find out where it came from. You know that doing any of these things would just disprove it.
So you are just going to run away again.
And you'll probably come back again, pretending to be a new poster and make the same claim all over again because you think people are going to fall for that.

robinph · 03-03-2021 11:07am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Bu there's a lot of ifs and maybes when it comes to conspiracy hypotheses. All we can do is examine the evidence and speculate.

I'll do a bit research on the leaked game plan to try to find out when it was leaked.

How about starting with how 5G is meant to be controlling people, or how it is the source of covid? Let us know what you find.

The Nal · 03-03-2021 11:16am

robinph wrote: »

How about starting with how 5G is meant to be controlling people, or how it is the source of covid? Let us know what you find.

And how it causes cancer.

Its its why they're cutting down trees.

And how its easier to track people via 5G with social distancing.

Lets not forget, that a lot of these conspiraloons quietened down when the fact that 5G and 5Ghz wifi wasn't the same thing was explained to them. People believed that their wifi routers were going to kill them. lol.

runawaybishop · 03-03-2021 11:17am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Bu there's a lot of ifs and maybes when it comes to conspiracy hypotheses. All we can do is examine the evidence and speculate.

I'll do a bit research on the leaked game plan to try to find out when it was leaked.

Looking forward to seeing you examine the evidence. First time for anything I guess.

03-03-2021 11:20am

robinph wrote: »

How about starting with how 5G is meant to be controlling people, or how it is the source of covid? Let us know what you find.

I've already said that I'm not familiar with 5g. I don't why you continue to focus on it. There are people who are qualified to talk about how it could, or could not, be used to control people. I'm focusing on doing research on the leaked game plan.

Is Bret Weinstein qualified to talk about the virus being potentially leaked from a lab?

03-03-2021 11:21am

runawaybishop wrote: »

Looking forward to seeing you examine the evidence. First time for anything I guess.

And if I get a direct quote I expect the usual "that person is an idiot", "he didn't say that", "I don't believe they said that" etc.

robinph · 03-03-2021 11:24am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I've already said that I'm not familiar with 5g. I don't why you continue to focus on it. There are people who are qualified to talk about how it could, or could not, be used to control people. I'm focusing on doing research on the leaked game plan.

Is Bret Weinstein qualified to talk about the virus being potentially leaked from a lab?

We're willing to help explain it to you. Show us what it is that you belive 5G is doing to people, we first need to know what exactly is is that you think though.

You brought up a list of items that have you worried, one of those included 5G. What exactly about it has you worried and why?

03-03-2021 11:28am

robinph wrote: »

We're willing to help explain it to you. Show us what it is that you belive 5G is doing to people, we first need to know what exactly is is that you think though.

You brought up a list of items that have you worried, one of those included 5G. What exactly about it has you worried and why?

I'm not worried about 5g. There are far worse things in the game plan than 5g.

robinph · 03-03-2021 11:28am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And if I get a direct quote I expect the usual "that person is an idiot", "he didn't say that", "I don't believe they said that" etc.

Which is why we're focusing on the 5G as that is something scientific, rather than someones random predictions about future use of masks for reasons that your not willing to tell us about.

If we stick to the 5G then you can show us the scientific research that backs up how it is being used to control people and how it is creating covid. We can then work through that to see if it's likely to be true or not.

robinph · 03-03-2021 11:30am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm not worried about 5g. There are far worse things in the game plan than 5g.

So is the claims of 5G controlling people correct or not?
What about 5G being the source of the spread of covid?

If these are not true then why are they included in the plan you linked to. If they are true then it is surely one of the simpler things for you to prove of all the stuff in the plan.

Trying to make it easy for you here.

Edit: Curious about what bits of the plan are worse than mobile phone masts being used for mind control and spreading covid to people. Is the bit about wearing masks somehow scarier than mind control systems?

03-03-2021 11:33am

robinph wrote: »

Which is why we're focusing on the 5G as that is something scientific, rather than someones random predictions about future use of masks for reasons that your not willing to tell us about.

If we stick to the 5G then you can show us the scientific research that backs up how it is being used to control people and how it is creating covid. We can then work through that to see if it's likely to be true or not.

I don't believe it will be used to control people. I had never heard of 5g until all of this began.

It's the mask thing in the leaked game plan that is most concerning. That's why I'm doing research on it. It would help if a single country in the world would get rid of masks completely. That would mean the mask thing is bogus. But none has. Texas lifted it, but private businesses can still impose mask requirements. And of course people have to wear them on public transport as per federal law.

King Mob · 03-03-2021 11:34am

Deleted User wrote: »

And if I get a direct quote I expect the usual "that person is an idiot", "he didn't say that", "I don't believe they said that" etc.

But this hasn't happened.
You rarely provide direct quotes when asked and you've been shown to lie and mispresent things people actual say.
And the odd time they did actually say it, it's because they are a crank with no authority.

If you don't like people pointing out when you do this, stop doing it.

King Mob · 03-03-2021 11:35am

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't believe it will be used to control people. I had never heard of 5g until all of this began.

So the game plan is wrong about 5G.
Why?

robinph · 03-03-2021 11:44am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't believe it will be used to control people. I had never heard of 5g until all of this began.

It's the mask thing in the leaked game plan that is most concerning. That's why I'm doing research on it. It would help if a single country in the world would get rid of masks completely. That would mean the mask thing is bogus. But none has. Texas lifted it, but private businesses can still impose mask requirements. And of course people have to wear them on public transport as per federal law.

You know what 3G is right, it's the radio signals your phone uses so you can make calls and connect to the Internet.
4G is a faster version of the same thing.
5G is another faster version of the same thing again.

So you have stated that you don't believe that 5G is being used to control people, or that it is being used to spread the virus. Why then was it included in the plan that you posted a few pages back?

If it isn't being used to control people, why have they said that it is? If they were lying about that in the plan then what other things were they lying about?

Timberrrrrrrr · 03-03-2021 11:54am

Dunno why you're bothering lads, that poster never answered questions on his last account, obvious to all he won't answer any on this account or indeed his next account. A pure WUM who will just keep going around in circles spouting the same shìte day in day out.

King Mob · 03-03-2021 12:22pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Dunno why you're bothering lads, that poster never answered questions on his last account, obvious to all he won't answer any on this account or indeed his next account. A pure WUM who will just keep going around in circles spouting the same shìte day in day out.

Demonstrates to others the levels of dishonesty inherent in a lot of conspiracy theories and how really basic questions kinda ruins them.

EyesClosed · 03-03-2021 12:41pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't believe it will be used to control people. I had never heard of 5g until all of this began.

It's the mask thing in the leaked game plan that is most concerning. That's why I'm doing research on it. It would help if a single country in the world would get rid of masks completely. That would mean the mask thing is bogus. But none has. Texas lifted it, but private businesses can still impose mask requirements. And of course people have to wear them on public transport as per federal law.

OK so the 5g thing is wrong... Brilliant.
Why should we trust anything else in the post so?

namloc1980 · 03-03-2021 1:20pm

Deleted User wrote: »

If the game plan was leaked in March or April of last year then do you think it could be argued that it's legit?

I don't know enough about 5g to be able to comment on it. I don't know. But, as I said, just because the 5g thing doesn't mean that the other things are.

So you believe a screenshot on Twitter that the WEF have literally called their evil plan to take over the world the "WEF Technocratic Gameplan"? :pac: Is there anything you don't believe? I'm certain if in the middle of that "gameplan" someone put "Release unicorns into every garden in the world" you would absolutely swallow it hook, line and sinker without question.

robinph · 03-03-2021 1:50pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A mutated new strain is included in the leaked WEF technocratic game plan: https://twitter.com/TradCatKnight/status/1352332152768241666

I don't know whether the roadmap is legit or not, but the points there are ticks next appear to have all happened.

So I was bored for 5 seconds there and Googled her name. Seems that she's an osteopath who made some claims about the vaccines last June.

Quite why anyone would take the opinion of an osteopath regarding vaccine safety, or 5G mobile technology, or anything other than why it is that their knee hurts, I don't know:

https://www.bbc.com/news/53525002

Maybe consider their restaurant recommendations, but certainly nothing much else without good reason.

Edit: Seems that she was also at the Maga rally / insurrection warm up show on 6th January.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en/article/88avy5/a-qanon-doctor-who-spoke-at-the-capitol-riots-said-the-covid-vaccine-is-a-witches-brew

The Nal · 03-03-2021 2:16pm

robinph wrote: »

Quite why anyone would take the opinion of an osteopath regarding vaccine safety, or 5G mobile technology, or anything other than why it is that their knee hurts, I don't know:

Because she has "Dr" in front of her name and some people are very gullible.

This "Dr" thing is a regular tactic. No one bothers to check what they're actually a doctor of.

bigsuge1 · 03-03-2021 5:05pm

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/mar/03/global-lockdown-every-two-years-needed-to-meet-paris-co2-goals-study

I wouldn’t bet against on/off lock downs being the new norm with stuff like this being regurgitated more and more by news outlets and powerful people such as this forums favourite villains such as Billy Gates and co. We will all be used to it by the time that becomes the new pandemic in their eyes.

Would love to be wrong but it seems inevitable.

Dohnjoe · 03-03-2021 5:10pm

bigsuge1 wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/mar/03/global-lockdown-every-two-years-needed-to-meet-paris-co2-goals-study

I wouldn’t bet against it on/off lock downs being the new norm with stuff like this being regurgitated more and more by news outlets and powerful people such as this forums favourite villain Billy Gates. It’s inevitable isn’t it? We will all be used to it by the time that becomes the new pandemic in their eyes.

Not quite sure I get the point on this

Lockdowns are used to reduce the spread of the virus, however as a side-effect, due to e.g. less traffic on the roads during the period, carbon emissions also naturally dropped.

The article is claiming that we need the equivalent of that every 2 years for the next decade just to stay within "safe" limits. Maybe I am understanding you wrong, but are you suggesting that governments all over the world will secretly manufacture reasons to have lockdowns just to hit that target within a decade?

robinph · 03-03-2021 5:11pm

Yay, new poster.

What is the claim here?

namloc1980 · 03-03-2021 5:54pm

bigsuge1 wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/mar/03/global-lockdown-every-two-years-needed-to-meet-paris-co2-goals-study

I wouldn’t bet against on/off lock downs being the new norm with stuff like this being regurgitated more and more by news outlets and powerful people such as this forums favourite villains such as Billy Gates and co. We will all be used to it by the time that becomes the new pandemic in their eyes.

Would love to be wrong but it seems inevitable.

Working from home, move to electric mass transport etc will surely be accelerated to reduce carbon emissions. There won't be on and off lockdowns forever - that's just ludicrous. Of course the conspiracy theorists will claim this is evidence of an evil agenda and that shady characters like George Soros and Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates are behind it all.

aido79 · 03-03-2021 6:41pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If the game plan was leaked in March or April of last year then do you think it could be argued that it's legit?

I don't know enough about 5g to be able to comment on it. I don't know. But, as I said, just because the 5g thing doesn't mean that the other things are.

Does this "game plan" trump the economic policies of every country in the world?
I really don't understand how it can work. Maybe you can explain it a little bit better for me?
Apparently we aren't going to own anything but we will be happy? Is that true?

Dohnjoe · 03-03-2021 6:53pm

aido79 wrote: »

Apparently we aren't going to own anything but we will be happy? Is that true?

A Danish MP wrote about it and someone in the WEF office tweeted it, so that's it, straight into global worldwide legislation for every country.

Paragraph 1, section 1: "You won't own anything by 2030"

Might as well start selling up your possessions now while they are worth something..

Dohnjoe · 03-03-2021 6:58pm

And I almost forgot, a "New World Order" is coming because children used the phrase in a song. I love the comic book villain scenarios that conjures up, all the world leaders sat around in a hollowed out volcano:

"Sir we need to secretly drop clues that we are about to take over the world"

- "Uh why?"

"That doesn't matter right now, Johnson has a fiendish plan to put it in a children's song, that will make it extra sinister"

- Evil laughter all around

PintOfView · 03-03-2021 8:08pm

sabat wrote: »

You have no interest in these topics. Why are you here? If conspiracy theorists are sad saps then the the people who follow them around obsessively trying to gain some imaginary status boost must truly be the dregs.

It sounds like you'd prefer to just hear from people who agree you, and that's natural.
One consequence would be, if you're wrong you'll never find out, but that's your own business.

However an important reason why these things should not go unchallenged in a public forum is the fact that last September the OP said
"you should join the demonstrations next Saturday at 2.00pm at the Customs House and the Dáil in Dublin.".
This was at a time when the virus was circulating, and large gatherings were prohibited to try to keep it in check.

So it's all very well if you say "we just want to have fun, and play on our own, and if we're wrong so what".
But some of this can affect things in the real world!

If your unchallenged words made more people believe this sort of thing,
and they then also turned up at marches,
and helped spread the virus,
then it stops just being a bit of fun for you, and turns into a danger for the rest of the community, and lengthens the lockdown, etc.

PintOfView · 03-03-2021 8:24pm

Deleted User wrote: »

As I say, I have an open mind. But all of the things with ticks next to them appear to have happened. Let's see what happens with the other things. There are more things than just 5G listed in that leaked game plan. The 5G thing being bogus doesn't mean that the other things are bogus.

Would you agree that it appears to be the case that the things with ticks next to them have happened?

I just had a look at "the leaked WEF technocratic game plan" on that twitter page, and it brought a smile to my face.

Do you really think that is a "leaked game plan"?
Do you really think it looks like something leaked from the WEF or anywhere else?

Where does it say it's leaked, is it not just something done up by tradcatknight to discuss with his/her guest on the podcast?

PintOfView · 03-03-2021 8:39pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Because they haven't announced the changes yet. But we can surmise that they will change the world given that Klaus Schwab has repeatedly said that going back to normal will not happen and that the changes will cause people to speak of BC and AC.

But they will be announced in August.

What makes Schwab's opinion on going back to normal any more important than say the Taoiseach, or Leo Varadkar, or Simon Covney, or Macron, or Merkel, etc?
What power does Schwab have? He's not even in government anywhere!

What's happening in the world is out there for all to see, and lots of people have opinions on what the future might bring, Schwab is just one more.

As regards people speaking of BC and AC, I hadn't heard of that till you mentioned it. However Covid has been a pretty big event, and will leave a mark, even if only on the working from home side of things, and perhaps we will be advised to wear masks if new strains of covid or flu start to circulate in Winter, so it's not a surprising concept of BC vs AC.

And, just on wearing masks, I think you may misunderstand the purpose of masks.
I noticed you asked before, why don't they let us take our chances if we don't want to wear masks.

The point is that your low tech cloth mask protects other people from your exhaled virus, it doesn't protect you!
The higher spec N95 masks would protect you from other people's virus, but are more expensive,
and ironically may offer less protection to other people if you had the virus.

aido79 · 03-03-2021 8:51pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

A Danish MP wrote about it and someone in the WEF office tweeted it, so that's it, straight into global worldwide legislation for every country.

Paragraph 1, section 1: "You won't own anything by 2030"

Might as well start selling up your possessions now while they are worth something..

It must be true if it's on Twitter. I that's been the main source of information used by conspiracy theorists on this thread.

Might be time to get the house valued...before it starts to drop in value after the big announcement in September.

Fighting Tao · 03-03-2021 9:24pm

I’ve yet to hear why The Great Reset author Klaus Schwab who is 82 wants to rule the world with his cronies. Why? To what benefit? Why would he be arsed at his age?

aido79 · 03-03-2021 9:32pm

Fighting Tao wrote: »

I’ve yet to hear why The Great Reset author Klaus Schwab who is 82 wants to rule the world with his cronies. Why? To what benefit? Why would he be arsed at his age?

George Soros is 90...age doesn't seem to be holding him back either.

Dohnjoe · 03-03-2021 10:20pm

aido79 wrote: »

George Soros is 90...age doesn't seem to be holding him back either.

Adrenochrome

JJayoo · 03-03-2021 11:08pm

aido79 wrote: »

George Soros is 90...age doesn't seem to be holding him back either.

Do lizard people live longer than regular hoomans?

robinph · 03-03-2021 11:17pm

JJayoo wrote: »

Do lizard people live longer than regular hoomans?

How do the lizard people control people via 5G? Surely their claws won't work on the phone touchscreens?

All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

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