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Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,460 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    Chumpski wrote: »
    Yeah they are the cheapest I could fine but I had 2 different guys out from them and they both found excuses not to do it for me as it’s a non trivial install involving trunking and going through a few rooms as fuse board at the back of the house.

    So I assume the quotes for €1400+ include a charger being provided?

    If its through a few rooms and lots of trunking is needed that's what you will pay. It will be a time consuming job.

    Who have you got quotes from?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭declan123


    Cyrus wrote: »
    Just get ei to do it for 899 , cost you 300 net.

    Did anyone get the ei one done. Were you happy with the equipment and the job in general?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,159 ✭✭✭Jofspring


    I'm paying 1399 for Zappi V2 charger + install. It's pricey enough and I probably could have got it cheaper if I looked around but my house is a new build and I'm happy enough to go with the same crowd that installed my heatpump. Fuse box is in the middle of the house too so they will have to go through a few walls to get to it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,817 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    declan123 wrote: »
    Did anyone get the ei one done. Were you happy with the equipment and the job in general?

    Yes and yes !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,817 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Jofspring wrote: »
    I'm paying 1399 for Zappi V2 charger + install. It's pricey enough and I probably could have got it cheaper if I looked around but my house is a new build and I'm happy enough to go with the same crowd that installed my heatpump. Fuse box is in the middle of the house too so they will have to go through a few walls to get to it.

    If it’s a new build double check there isn’t any trunking to a point outside there could well be for internet etc


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Cyrus wrote: »
    If it’s a new build double check there isn’t any trunking to a point outside there could well be for internet etc

    +1 to this, I was being told I'd need trunking until I spoke to the guys who wired the house and they suggested using a nearby air duct to bring the cable outside

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Cyrus wrote: »
    If it’s a new build double check there isn’t any trunking to a point outside there could well be for internet etc

    LV and ELV cables can't share a duct.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    +1 to this, I was being told I'd need trunking until I spoke to the guys who wired the house and they suggested using a nearby air duct to bring the cable outside

    They were wrong. Electrical services need to be segregated from non-electrical services.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    They were wrong. Electrical services need to be segregated from non-electrical services.

    They didn't bring the cable through the duct, they took it via the false ceiling which conceals it. Sparks signed off on it, provided signed test cert, so either they're lying and shouldn't have been certified in the first place, or they're incompetent and shouldn't have been certified in the first place

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Jofspring wrote: »
    I'm paying 1399 for Zappi V2 charger + install. It's pricey enough and I probably could have got it cheaper if I looked around but my house is a new build and I'm happy enough to go with the same crowd that installed my heatpump. Fuse box is in the middle of the house too so they will have to go through a few walls to get to it.

    Make sure you run at least two Ethernet cables from consumer unit to Zappi2


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭tweek84


    So many professionals on here talking about prices, I am sure all of your homes are up to code requiring no other work, like everything there are cowboys out there or tradesmen cutting corners i meet them daily, yes installs completed quickly but they have not met the standards required.
    Installs including chargers normally start at around 1000euro depending on the charger required including priority unit.
    Anyone charging less than the prices that risteard81 mentioned I would be raising questions


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,182 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    tweek84 wrote: »
    So many professionals on here talking about prices, I am sure all of your homes are up to code requiring no other work, like everything there are cowboys out there or tradesmen cutting corners i meet them daily, yes installs completed quickly but they have not met the standards required.
    Installs including chargers normally start at around 1000euro depending on the charger required including priority unit.
    Anyone charging less than the prices that risteard81 mentioned I would be raising questions

    And many installs don’t require a priority unit.
    Many installs are straight forward.

    Many installers are fully compliant and fitted in full accordance with the regulations but the installers charge a fairer rate.

    Price is not the only delta in deciding a cowboy.

    Can you give an example of where a quick (2 hour) install does not meet standards?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,159 ✭✭✭Jofspring


    slave1 wrote: »
    Make sure you run at least two Ethernet cables from consumer unit to Zappi2

    So get them to run 2 ethernet cables from internal fuse box out to Zappi unit?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,817 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    tweek84 wrote: »
    So many professionals on here talking about prices, I am sure all of your homes are up to code requiring no other work, like everything there are cowboys out there or tradesmen cutting corners i meet them daily, yes installs completed quickly but they have not met the standards required.
    Installs including chargers normally start at around 1000euro depending on the charger required including priority unit.
    Anyone charging less than the prices that risteard81 mentioned I would be raising questions

    Again the largest companies in the state in electric Ireland and kn are doing it for 899. So you should interrogate them then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭tweek84


    Cyrus wrote: »
    Again the largest companies in the state in electric Ireland and kn are doing it for 899. So you should interrogate them then.

    Why would I need to interrogate them? They are entitled to charge what they want, I am nearly sure electric Ireland charge more than 899 tho.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭tweek84


    Gumbo wrote: »
    And many installs don’t require a priority unit.
    Many installs are straight forward.

    Many installers are fully compliant and fitted in full accordance with the regulations but the installers charge a fairer rate.

    Price is not the only delta in deciding a cowboy.

    Can you give an example of where a quick (2 hour) install does not meet standards?

    I can’t give an example as that issue is currently being investigated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,159 ✭✭✭Jofspring


    tweek84 wrote: »
    Why would I need to interrogate them? They are entitled to charge what they want, I am nearly sure electric Ireland charge more than 899 tho.

    Ya it says starts at €499 after grant or €1,099 before on electric Ireland website.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,817 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    tweek84 wrote: »
    Why would I need to interrogate them? They are entitled to charge what they want, I am nearly sure electric Ireland charge more than 899 tho.

    Well you said anyone doing it for less than 1000 would raise questions?

    They do the tethered eo mini for 899 and the untethered pro for 1099.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,817 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Jofspring wrote: »
    Ya it says starts at €499 after grant or €1,099 before on electric Ireland website.

    See my post above.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭tweek84


    Cyrus wrote: »
    Well you said anyone doing it for less than 1000 would raise questions?

    They do the tethered eo mini for 899 and the untethered pro for 1099.

    Read my post again.
    I said anyone charging less than what risteard81 mentioned I would be asking questions, he said 450 for install only.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,231 ✭✭✭Kramer


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    LV and ELV cables can't share a duct.

    Can one not run an ethernet cable to a Zappi then, alongside the mains voltage supply cable, if they share a duct?
    If so, how come the new UK EV charge point cable integrates both?
    Would fitting that single cable here, through a duct/conduit, be prohibited?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,231 ✭✭✭Kramer


    tweek84 wrote: »
    Read my post again.
    I said anyone charging less than what risteard81 mentioned I would be asking questions, he said 450 for install only.

    Why would one need to question the competence of any genuine SAFE Electric registered electrician?
    They're qualified, registered, regulated & their work is frequently audited.

    Because they're "too cheap"? :rolleyes:.

    Really knocking into protectionism/monopoly/cartel like behaviour here...............

    As with everything guys & gals, shop around :). When the electricians blatantly ripping people off get a reputation, they'll lose business & either charge fairly, or go broke.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Kramer wrote: »
    Can one not run an ethernet cable to a Zappi then, alongside the mains voltage supply cable, if they share a duct?
    If so, how come the new UK EV charge point cable integrates both?
    Would fitting that single cable here, through a duct/conduit, be prohibited?

    They're insulated for the highest voltage present and also shielded.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,231 ✭✭✭Kramer


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    They're insulated for the highest voltage present and also shielded.

    What about running a normal CAT5/CAT6 ethernet, cable alongside the supply cable to a Zappi though?
    Kramer wrote: »
    Can one not run an ethernet cable to a Zappi then, alongside the mains voltage supply cable, if they share a duct?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Jofspring wrote: »
    So get them to run 2 ethernet cables from internal fuse box out to Zappi unit?

    Yes, this will future proof your setup should you even need PV generation integrated into the Zappi, cost should be immaterial


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,182 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    tweek84 wrote: »
    Read my post again.
    I said anyone charging less than what risteard81 mentioned I would be asking questions, he said 450 for install only.

    He said €450 plus VAT including a priority device but ignore the posts to clarify this.
    Risteard81 wrote: »
    It's not all labour. The standard installation charge is for all aspects apart from the chargepoint (or load management device where required). So there are substantial materials costs involved. And as I pointed out, it's never 2 hours labour.

    Commercial installations are often around a grand installation costs.

    The new 5th Edition Wiring Rules also substantially increase the cable costs (along with the current high prices for copper).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Gumbo wrote: »
    He said €450 plus VAT including a priority device but ignore the posts to clarify this.

    I never suggested that it included a priority unit.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,182 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    I never suggested that it included a priority unit.

    That’s perfect so.
    So this agrees with my pricing of €600 inclusive of vat in one of my examples yet you classed that as cheap and went about never reducing prices etc

    For a 2 hour install including an outdoor socket I think this was a fair price.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Gumbo wrote: »
    That’s perfect so.
    So this agrees with my pricing of €600 inclusive of vat in one of my examples yet you classed that as cheap and went about never reducing prices etc

    For a 2 hour install including an outdoor socket I think this was a fair price.

    You are clueless about costs associated with electrical installation and therefore should not be commenting on it. Are you a Registered Electrical Contractor? (The correct answer is that no, you are not.)


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,182 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    You are clueless about costs associated with electrical installation and therefore should not be commenting on it. Are you a Registered Electrical Contractor? (The correct answer is that no, you are not.)

    :D

    Cartel exposed :):)

    I’ve have 6 EVSE installations on properties over the last 4 years. They’ve been done by 3 different registered contractors and all Certs issued with grants paid out.

    Just because we rumble you about your attitude to pricing doesn’t mean we are wrong.

    You continue along your path. That works for you.

    But for the rest of us in the real world, I’d rather pay the person that’s fair and those lads have been called back for every other electrical works I’m involved in. Continued business and a good relationship. I don’t question what they charge because they’ve already built up that trust and I don’t question them when they say somethings needs to be upgraded.

    So I may be clueless in your eyes about the costs associated in drilling a hole, connecting a RCBO, pushing a cable through and fixing an EVSE to a wall using a template that’s included in the chargers box :) and testing of equipments but you have a cheek to come on here and announce that no domestic install takes 2 hours and is a day long exercise is laughable.

    I and many other posters, have had similar experiences.

    In fact, one install took an hour as the builder had the cable run already. Mr. Sparky just had to connect to the EVSE, for the RCBO and work on the CU. Following testing all complete and certified. Excellent efficiency.


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