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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭Apogee


    celt262 wrote: »
    That's great looks like my parents will be getting the jab in the next week or two (over 70's)

    Be careful how you interpret that HSE slide. "Over 70's" refers to all of Cohort 3, but they are still proceeding in 5 year bands. 80-84 due to start next week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 584 ✭✭✭noplacehere


    It feels like it’s crawling in terms of the bands. I know it’s going amazingly well with the number of vaccines we have but it’s sloooow. How amazing will it be to be able to say band 1 done. Band 2 done etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    I'm aware of the 80-85 band being complete already by my GP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,106 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    How long does it take for the Pfizer vaccine to offer protection once administered?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 213 ✭✭irishlad.


    I'm aware of the 80-85 band being complete already by my GP

    Same, heard of a few 80-84 done in the area and not on an emergency list either


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    an edited :) post of mine from elsewhere but I thought here possibly more apporiate


    Other conversation notes over time that I have had have with all my 80+ers...
    (no particular order/not a comprehensive list/a variety of this information wanted per person/respect their choices only some wanted it all and not all at same time!)

    what is a vaccine..
    how the different vaccines work...
    traditional versus experimental/new type vaccine definition and technology...
    dna versus rna versus mrna
    what are antibodies/t and b cells other immunity
    immunity how long it lasts whats the latest data
    whats an adenovirus ...lipids..PEG..nano particles..envelopes..proteins..crispr etc etc flip I really needed a glossary!
    the different types of covid ones now/in future potentialy estimated delievery schedule
    one failed..why?
    videos/pictures/powerpoint including hard of hearing subtitles or spending extra time or audio with a slower speaker explaining for vision impaired persons/or those with limited degrees of reading writing ability.
    one wanted the research papers on trial data
    Adverse reactions none/mild/moderate/serious
    How to deal with the above
    what it potentially does/does not do...
    reduce symtoms versus transmit/acquire covid issues
    what are non/sterilising immunity....
    ADE
    keeping yourself safe while getting vaccinated
    what if they have a needle phobia
    what group they are in
    will they have a choice
    what if the share household
    knowing their co morbidities
    data on allergys/previous adverse reactions
    what/who should be present in vacination centers
    afterwards waiting to make sure they are ok
    what is informed consent
    their right to choose
    soceity responsiblity versus/and/or body self intregrity
    are they still technicaly part of a clinical/drug study
    their worries re grandkids who are pregnant
    their worries re grandkids with special needs
    their worries re adult kids with co morbidities
    hesitancy versus rash decisions one way or other
    transportation/imobility issues to and from..
    rural versus city issues
    help formulating questions they want doctor to answer
    going through pre injection literature
    what are their fears and hopes
    their spiritual faith or religious questions
    even if its a tiny chance what if I die..yes I was asked this.. be ready for it and honest in your reply..some will be afraid to ask..listen carefully
    why some people might not want/get it or be excluded/not eligable
    how will they care for me then?
    other treatment options then
    what if they are ill at the moment/have a particular disease or are on particulars meds/psllative care
    what if they have had covid already
    what if they have tested postive recently
    what the frality index is in relation to themself
    pros and cons of waiting
    reporting adverse reactions for the benefit of all
    How to do that and check it is there
    optimnal scheduling between doses
    GDPR and their medical info
    trial data and percentages
    have non mathmathical equivalents
    animnal or not experiments in early trial stages
    what are the ingredients
    what symtoms to keep an eye on afterwards
    when to get medical help/advice
    the above versus covid symtoms
    are their differences in both of the above in older persons
    others in their peer group all types of expriences
    why some get bad side effects and others nothing/spectrum
    what can they do ie meds/practical things
    data on how many/what type of people of their age group in trials
    how long the take to kick in
    why do they keep changing interveal
    ventillation in waiting room
    can they wsit 15 minutes outside in car alone/with someone
    a check in with them list in the few days afterwards
    Do they want somebody to go with them
    what precautions will that person take to be covid free
    how data may change from clinical trials to studying it in real life in the community etc etc

    For posterity...hopefully helpful.. thanks to all posters on the thread here for pointers/links/details/debates/graphs/science/personal accounts/honesty/stats and open debates :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    No point explaining it to him. He will either not get it or decide to ignore it.

    Are you reduced to gratuitous insults, or cancel culture?

    Let's have some facts to back up your sunny view of our vaccination programme to date.

    The UK has administered over 19 million first doses and continues to administer an average of almost 330,000 doses each day,
    bbc.com/news/health-55274833

    Ireland has administered about a quarter-million first doses.
    https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/vaccinations

    So the UK have given a first dose to almost one-third of their population while we have done just one in 15 of our population.

    Is there any reason to think we will catch up with the UK? The Taoiseach says that
    by the end of March, 1.25 million vaccines will have been administered, with the three following months seeing a million doses given in each. By the end of June, 82 per cent of adults would have received at least one dose, with up to 60 per cent of adults being fully vaccinated with two doses.

    This means we will administer a million vaccines in the coming month, four times more than we have managed in the two months since the vaccines first arrived. And then we will keep that pace for the following three months.

    I hate his fake precision about 82%, especially when he combines it with the vagueness of "up to 60 per cent" for the second dose. That means 4,070,000 first doses - not just 4,020,000 because that would be a mere 81%, a failure! - but anything approaching 3 million will do for the second dose.

    Does anyone know how many doses we are currently administering daily?


  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Caquas wrote: »
    Are you reduced to gratuitous insults, or cancel culture?

    Let's have some facts to back up your sunny view of our vaccination programme to date.

    The UK has administered over 19 million first doses and continues to administer an average of almost 330,000 doses each day,
    bbc.com/news/health-55274833

    Ireland has administered about a quarter-million first doses.
    https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/vaccinations

    So the UK have given a first dose to almost one-third of their population while we have done just one in 15 of our population.

    Is there any reason to think we will catch up with the UK? The Taoiseach says that


    This means we will administer a million vaccines in the coming month, four times more than we have managed in the two months since the vaccines first arrived. And then we will keep that pace for the following three months.

    I hate his fake precision about 82%, especially when he combines it with the vagueness of "up to 60 per cent" for the second dose. That means 4,070,000 first doses - not just 4,020,000 because that would be a mere 81%, a failure! - but anything approaching 3 million will do for the second dose.

    Does anyone know how many doses we are currently administering daily?

    The issue is not capacity to administer the vaccine, its supplies into the country. How many times do this need to be repeated? Over 1million flu vaccines were administered in 6 weeks in the autumn, without vaccination centres.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭Doc07


    ingalway wrote: »
    I had the Astrazenica yesterday. Arm was sore and slight muscle pain to start with until 12 hours later then it really kicked off! Terrible night - freezing cold then really hot, really bad body aches and arm feels like a massive knife was stabbed into it. Almost 26 hours later still feel very tired and sore but I'm sure no where near as bad as getting Covid so well worth it long term I hope.
    I keep hearing that people who got the Pfizer had very little reaction to first jab but much worse on the second. I'm hoping that the second Astrazenica will be much easier. As it's a 12 week wait too soon to know yet how people are reacting.
    Very glad not to be working this weekend.

    Thanks for sharing your experience. Of course individual experience will differ but of it’s any comfort the trials showed more intense reactions after 1st does of AZ so hopefully your second dose will be milder reaction or none at all.

    And it’s the opposite for the mRNA vaccines, more frequent and intense reactions after 2nd dose.

    All told though, after more than 50 million across US, UK and EU (and plenty more worldwide but don’t have much figures/info to hand) the vaccines have been very safe and early results looking good regards real world effectiveness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Maxface


    Although there are many complaints about the slowness of the roll out, it's no harm to keep them on their toes but more importantly the government should be happy that the vast majority are impatient as the alternative as seen in other countries of more reluctance is going to complicate things for others later in the summer.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,185 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Gael23 wrote: »
    How long does it take for the Pfizer vaccine to offer protection once administered?


    There is more data since I had my Pfizers, but the rule-of-thumb we worked out was -


    Approx 10 - 14 days after Dose 1 you are at least 50% protected
    Approx 5 days after Dose 2 you are at least 95% protected


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 875 ✭✭✭mean gene


    whos next 75 to 80 year olds ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭ingalway


    Doc07 wrote: »
    Thanks for sharing your experience. Of course individual experience will differ but of it’s any comfort the trials showed more intense reactions after 1st does of AZ so hopefully your second dose will be milder reaction or none at all.

    And it’s the opposite for the mRNA vaccines, more frequent and intense reactions after 2nd dose.

    All told though, after more than 50 million across US, UK and EU (and plenty more worldwide but don’t have much figures/info to hand) the vaccines have been very safe and early results looking good regards real world effectiveness.
    I'm taking comfort from the fact/illusion that my immune system must be in great shape to get such a strong reaction?
    No complaints at all as I'm delighted to get it so soon but it really would be a nice bonus if the second jab has less side effects.
    I think the overall safety and effectiveness cannot be in doubt at this stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,581 ✭✭✭JTMan


    FT on the J&J production problems here (paywall):

    - Johnson & Johnson’s Covid-19 vaccine supplier Catalent had to resort to checking vials by hand for two weeks. Automated visual verification line not working.
    - Staff moved from other parts of the company to complete the vital checks manually.
    - J&J had to scale up its vaccine substance manufacturing from a small facility to a large one in the Netherlands. While far faster than usual, took longer than hoped for.
    - “To accelerate production and expand capacity, we have entered into new agreements with established manufacturers".
    - But still confident of delivering 100m by June 2021 in the US and 200m doses in 2021 in the EU.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭eigrod


    I'm aware of the 80-85 band being complete already by my GP

    My Dad is 94 and hasn’t been vaccinated yet. Rural east Cork.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Germany reconsidering it’s use of AZ in over 65s

    https://twitter.com/darreneuronews/status/1365700275516952577?s=21


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,450 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Germany reconsidering it’s use of AZ in over 65s

    https://twitter.com/darreneuronews/status/1365700275516952577?s=21

    Talk about shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.:eek:

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,805 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    My other half got vaccine (AZ) on Friday afternoon as did some of his colleagues.
    He is in his 30s and works in healthcare.
    He really isn't great today shivering and aching all over and hasn't left bed. A few others complaining of similar things today. Hopefully he gets over it pretty quickly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭embraer170


    eigrod wrote: »
    My Dad is 94 and hasn’t been vaccinated yet. Rural east Cork.

    Has he been given a date?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭Icantthinkof1


    gmisk wrote: »
    My other half got vaccine (AZ) on Friday afternoon as did some of his colleagues.
    He is in his 30s and works in healthcare.
    He really isn't great today shivering and aching all over and hasn't left bed. A few others complaining of similar things today. Hopefully he gets over it pretty quickly.

    Hope he feels better soon. The side effects I experienced (mainly nausea and muscle aches) went after around 36hours I just spent most of that time resting on the couch.
    My colleagues who experienced side effects were ok again- ranging from 8hours to 48 hours.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,368 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,805 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Hope he feels better soon. The side effects I experienced (mainly nausea and muscle aches) went after around 36hours I just spent most of that time resting on the couch.
    My colleagues who experienced side effects were ok again- ranging from 8hours to 48 hours.
    Ah thanks for that.
    Glad you better.

    We were kind of expecting it really so plenty of food in the house and I am popping up with constant cups of tea :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,450 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    Grandparents got it today. 80-85 group, not in nursing home/hospital setting. Delighted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭Apogee


    mean gene wrote: »
    whos next 75 to 80 year olds ?

    Over 80's next - ads running today on radio



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Caquas


    The issue is not capacity to administer the vaccine, its supplies into the country. How many times do this need to be repeated?

    I'll give this one more shot, but it is galling to be constantly accused of not understanding the precise issue that I raised (at post no. 1987).

    Whether the delay in our vaccine rollout is due to the level of supplies coming into the country is an entirely secondary issue and it is nonsense to claim, as Embraer187 did, that "Ireland is doing exceptionally well on the vaccine roll out" because we have used almost all our available supplies.

    It disturbs me that so many posters here fail to understand this point. It seems that what matters to them is that blame should not attach to those administering the vaccines, even if our rollout is clearly lagging behind our nearest neighbour.

    Imagine a business with the hottest new product in the world. People are literally begging for the stuff. The retail manager says to the CEO "I know we have only met a fraction of the demand and our nearest competitor has sold 10 times more than us but we're really doing exceptionally well. Look - our shelves are almost empty!

    Or is this the normal business model of the HSE? Look at those waiting lists! :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Caquas wrote: »
    I'll give this one more shot, but it is galling to be constantly accused of not understanding the precise issue that I raised (at post no. 1987).

    Whether the delay in our vaccine rollout is due to the level of supplies coming into the country is an entirely secondary issue and it is nonsense to claim, as Embraer187 did, that "Ireland is doing exceptionally well on the vaccine roll out" because we have used almost all our available supplies.

    It disturbs me that so many posters here fail to understand this point. It seems that what matters to them is that blame should not attach to those administering the vaccines, even if our rollout is clearly lagging behind our nearest neighbour.

    Imagine a business with the hottest new product in the world. People are literally begging for the stuff. The retail manager says to the CEO "I know we have only met a fraction of the demand and our nearest competitor has sold 10 times more than us but we're really doing exceptionally well. Look - our shelves are almost empty!

    Or is this the normal business model of the HSE? Look at those waiting lists! :confused:

    Christ you are incredibly uninformed


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 213 ✭✭irishlad.


    Caquas wrote: »
    I'll give this one more shot, but it is galling to be constantly accused of not understanding the precise issue that I raised (at post no. 1987).

    Whether the delay in our vaccine rollout is due to the level of supplies coming into the country is an entirely secondary issue and it is nonsense to claim, as Embraer187 did, that "Ireland is doing exceptionally well on the vaccine roll out" because we have used almost all our available supplies.

    It disturbs me that so many posters here fail to understand this point. It seems that what matters to them is that blame should not attach to those administering the vaccines, even if our rollout is clearly lagging behind our nearest neighbour.

    Imagine a business with the hottest new product in the world. People are literally begging for the stuff. The retail manager says to the CEO "I know we have only met a fraction of the demand and our nearest competitor has sold 10 times more than us but we're really doing exceptionally well. Look - our shelves are almost empty!

    Or is this the normal business model of the HSE? Look at those waiting lists! :confused:

    But it still boils down to supply, whether its the hottest product in town or a vaccine.

    We've all had a go at the HSE at some point in time, but this is not one of those times.


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