COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

Apogee · 27-02-2021 03:00PM

celt262 wrote: »

That's great looks like my parents will be getting the jab in the next week or two (over 70's)

Be careful how you interpret that HSE slide. "Over 70's" refers to all of Cohort 3, but they are still proceeding in 5 year bands. 80-84 due to start next week.

noplacehere · 27-02-2021 03:07PM

It feels like it’s crawling in terms of the bands. I know it’s going amazingly well with the number of vaccines we have but it’s sloooow. How amazing will it be to be able to say band 1 done. Band 2 done etc

ACitizenErased · 27-02-2021 03:29PM

I'm aware of the 80-85 band being complete already by my GP

Gael23 · 27-02-2021 03:39PM

How long does it take for the Pfizer vaccine to offer protection once administered?

irishlad. · 27-02-2021 03:47PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm aware of the 80-85 band being complete already by my GP

Same, heard of a few 80-84 done in the area and not on an emergency list either

speckle · 27-02-2021 03:50PM

an edited

post of mine from elsewhere but I thought here possibly more apporiate

Other conversation notes over time that I have had have with all my 80+ers...
(no particular order/not a comprehensive list/a variety of this information wanted per person/respect their choices only some wanted it all and not all at same time!)

what is a vaccine..
how the different vaccines work...
traditional versus experimental/new type vaccine definition and technology...
dna versus rna versus mrna
what are antibodies/t and b cells other immunity
immunity how long it lasts whats the latest data
whats an adenovirus ...lipids..PEG..nano particles..envelopes..proteins..crispr etc etc flip I really needed a glossary!
the different types of covid ones now/in future potentialy estimated delievery schedule
one failed..why?
videos/pictures/powerpoint including hard of hearing subtitles or spending extra time or audio with a slower speaker explaining for vision impaired persons/or those with limited degrees of reading writing ability.
one wanted the research papers on trial data
Adverse reactions none/mild/moderate/serious
How to deal with the above
what it potentially does/does not do...
reduce symtoms versus transmit/acquire covid issues
what are non/sterilising immunity....
ADE
keeping yourself safe while getting vaccinated
what if they have a needle phobia
what group they are in
will they have a choice
what if the share household
knowing their co morbidities
data on allergys/previous adverse reactions
what/who should be present in vacination centers
afterwards waiting to make sure they are ok
what is informed consent
their right to choose
soceity responsiblity versus/and/or body self intregrity
are they still technicaly part of a clinical/drug study
their worries re grandkids who are pregnant
their worries re grandkids with special needs
their worries re adult kids with co morbidities
hesitancy versus rash decisions one way or other
transportation/imobility issues to and from..
rural versus city issues
help formulating questions they want doctor to answer
going through pre injection literature
what are their fears and hopes
their spiritual faith or religious questions
even if its a tiny chance what if I die..yes I was asked this.. be ready for it and honest in your reply..some will be afraid to ask..listen carefully
why some people might not want/get it or be excluded/not eligable
how will they care for me then?
other treatment options then
what if they are ill at the moment/have a particular disease or are on particulars meds/psllative care
what if they have had covid already
what if they have tested postive recently
what the frality index is in relation to themself
pros and cons of waiting
reporting adverse reactions for the benefit of all
How to do that and check it is there
optimnal scheduling between doses
GDPR and their medical info
trial data and percentages
have non mathmathical equivalents
animnal or not experiments in early trial stages
what are the ingredients
what symtoms to keep an eye on afterwards
when to get medical help/advice
the above versus covid symtoms
are their differences in both of the above in older persons
others in their peer group all types of expriences
why some get bad side effects and others nothing/spectrum
what can they do ie meds/practical things
data on how many/what type of people of their age group in trials
how long the take to kick in
why do they keep changing interveal
ventillation in waiting room
can they wsit 15 minutes outside in car alone/with someone
a check in with them list in the few days afterwards
Do they want somebody to go with them
what precautions will that person take to be covid free
how data may change from clinical trials to studying it in real life in the community etc etc

For posterity...hopefully helpful.. thanks to all posters on the thread here for pointers/links/details/debates/graphs/science/personal accounts/honesty/stats and open debates

Caquas · 27-02-2021 03:53PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

No point explaining it to him. He will either not get it or decide to ignore it.

Are you reduced to gratuitous insults, or cancel culture?

Let's have some facts to back up your sunny view of our vaccination programme to date.

The UK has administered over 19 million first doses and continues to administer an average of almost 330,000 doses each day,
bbc.com/news/health-55274833

Ireland has administered about a quarter-million first doses.
https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/vaccinations

So the UK have given a first dose to almost one-third of their population while we have done just one in 15 of our population.

Is there any reason to think we will catch up with the UK? The Taoiseach says that

by the end of March, 1.25 million vaccines will have been administered, with the three following months seeing a million doses given in each. By the end of June, 82 per cent of adults would have received at least one dose, with up to 60 per cent of adults being fully vaccinated with two doses.

This means we will administer a million vaccines in the coming month, four times more than we have managed in the two months since the vaccines first arrived. And then we will keep that pace for the following three months.

I hate his fake precision about 82%, especially when he combines it with the vagueness of "up to 60 per cent" for the second dose. That means 4,070,000 first doses - not just 4,020,000 because that would be a mere 81%, a failure! - but anything approaching 3 million will do for the second dose.

Does anyone know how many doses we are currently administering daily?

27-02-2021 04:23PM

Caquas wrote: »

Are you reduced to gratuitous insults, or cancel culture?

Let's have some facts to back up your sunny view of our vaccination programme to date.

The UK has administered over 19 million first doses and continues to administer an average of almost 330,000 doses each day,
bbc.com/news/health-55274833

Ireland has administered about a quarter-million first doses.
https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/vaccinations

So the UK have given a first dose to almost one-third of their population while we have done just one in 15 of our population.

Is there any reason to think we will catch up with the UK? The Taoiseach says that

This means we will administer a million vaccines in the coming month, four times more than we have managed in the two months since the vaccines first arrived. And then we will keep that pace for the following three months.

I hate his fake precision about 82%, especially when he combines it with the vagueness of "up to 60 per cent" for the second dose. That means 4,070,000 first doses - not just 4,020,000 because that would be a mere 81%, a failure! - but anything approaching 3 million will do for the second dose.

Does anyone know how many doses we are currently administering daily?

The issue is not capacity to administer the vaccine, its supplies into the country. How many times do this need to be repeated? Over 1million flu vaccines were administered in 6 weeks in the autumn, without vaccination centres.

Doc07 · 27-02-2021 04:52PM

ingalway wrote: »

I had the Astrazenica yesterday. Arm was sore and slight muscle pain to start with until 12 hours later then it really kicked off! Terrible night - freezing cold then really hot, really bad body aches and arm feels like a massive knife was stabbed into it. Almost 26 hours later still feel very tired and sore but I'm sure no where near as bad as getting Covid so well worth it long term I hope.
I keep hearing that people who got the Pfizer had very little reaction to first jab but much worse on the second. I'm hoping that the second Astrazenica will be much easier. As it's a 12 week wait too soon to know yet how people are reacting.
Very glad not to be working this weekend.

Thanks for sharing your experience. Of course individual experience will differ but of it’s any comfort the trials showed more intense reactions after 1st does of AZ so hopefully your second dose will be milder reaction or none at all.

And it’s the opposite for the mRNA vaccines, more frequent and intense reactions after 2nd dose.

All told though, after more than 50 million across US, UK and EU (and plenty more worldwide but don’t have much figures/info to hand) the vaccines have been very safe and early results looking good regards real world effectiveness.

Maxface · 27-02-2021 04:53PM

Although there are many complaints about the slowness of the roll out, it's no harm to keep them on their toes but more importantly the government should be happy that the vast majority are impatient as the alternative as seen in other countries of more reluctance is going to complicate things for others later in the summer.

Chris_5339762 · 27-02-2021 04:55PM

Gael23 wrote: »

How long does it take for the Pfizer vaccine to offer protection once administered?

There is more data since I had my Pfizers, but the rule-of-thumb we worked out was -

Approx 10 - 14 days after Dose 1 you are at least 50% protected
Approx 5 days after Dose 2 you are at least 95% protected

mean gene · 27-02-2021 04:55PM

whos next 75 to 80 year olds ?

ingalway · 27-02-2021 05:01PM

Doc07 wrote: »

Thanks for sharing your experience. Of course individual experience will differ but of it’s any comfort the trials showed more intense reactions after 1st does of AZ so hopefully your second dose will be milder reaction or none at all.

And it’s the opposite for the mRNA vaccines, more frequent and intense reactions after 2nd dose.

All told though, after more than 50 million across US, UK and EU (and plenty more worldwide but don’t have much figures/info to hand) the vaccines have been very safe and early results looking good regards real world effectiveness.

I'm taking comfort from the fact/illusion that my immune system must be in great shape to get such a strong reaction?
No complaints at all as I'm delighted to get it so soon but it really would be a nice bonus if the second jab has less side effects.
I think the overall safety and effectiveness cannot be in doubt at this stage.

JTMan · 27-02-2021 05:16PM

FT on the J&J production problems here (paywall):

- Johnson & Johnson’s Covid-19 vaccine supplier Catalent had to resort to checking vials by hand for two weeks. Automated visual verification line not working.
- Staff moved from other parts of the company to complete the vital checks manually.
- J&J had to scale up its vaccine substance manufacturing from a small facility to a large one in the Netherlands. While far faster than usual, took longer than hoped for.
- “To accelerate production and expand capacity, we have entered into new agreements with established manufacturers".
- But still confident of delivering 100m by June 2021 in the US and 200m doses in 2021 in the EU.

eigrod · 27-02-2021 05:24PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm aware of the 80-85 band being complete already by my GP

My Dad is 94 and hasn’t been vaccinated yet. Rural east Cork.

ACitizenErased · 27-02-2021 05:30PM

Germany reconsidering it’s use of AZ in over 65s

https://twitter.com/darreneuronews/status/1365700275516952577?s=21

brickster69 · 27-02-2021 05:34PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Germany reconsidering it’s use of AZ in over 65s

https://twitter.com/darreneuronews/status/1365700275516952577?s=21

Talk about shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.:eek:

gmisk · 27-02-2021 05:39PM

My other half got vaccine (AZ) on Friday afternoon as did some of his colleagues.
He is in his 30s and works in healthcare.
He really isn't great today shivering and aching all over and hasn't left bed. A few others complaining of similar things today. Hopefully he gets over it pretty quickly.

embraer170 · 27-02-2021 05:49PM

eigrod wrote: »

My Dad is 94 and hasn’t been vaccinated yet. Rural east Cork.

Has he been given a date?

ACitizenErased · 27-02-2021 05:50PM

https://twitter.com/DonnellyStephen/status/1365705634352660480?s=20

Icantthinkof1 · 27-02-2021 05:52PM

gmisk wrote: »

My other half got vaccine (AZ) on Friday afternoon as did some of his colleagues.
He is in his 30s and works in healthcare.
He really isn't great today shivering and aching all over and hasn't left bed. A few others complaining of similar things today. Hopefully he gets over it pretty quickly.

Hope he feels better soon. The side effects I experienced (mainly nausea and muscle aches) went after around 36hours I just spent most of that time resting on the couch.
My colleagues who experienced side effects were ok again- ranging from 8hours to 48 hours.

hynesie08 · 27-02-2021 05:53PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DonnellyStephen/status/1365705634352660480?s=20

That's just wonderful.....

gmisk · 27-02-2021 05:57PM

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

Hope he feels better soon. The side effects I experienced (mainly nausea and muscle aches) went after around 36hours I just spent most of that time resting on the couch.
My colleagues who experienced side effects were ok again- ranging from 8hours to 48 hours.

Ah thanks for that.
Glad you better.

We were kind of expecting it really so plenty of food in the house and I am popping up with constant cups of tea

brickster69 · 27-02-2021 06:04PM

Good news

https://twitter.com/peterdonaghy/status/1365703279422943233

D.Q · 27-02-2021 06:06PM

Grandparents got it today. 80-85 group, not in nursing home/hospital setting. Delighted.

Apogee · 27-02-2021 06:07PM

mean gene wrote: »

whos next 75 to 80 year olds ?

Over 80's next - ads running today on radio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1TgBxdjLSo

Micky 32 · 27-02-2021 06:07PM

https://twitter.com/laoneill111/status/1365656653341802497?s=21

Caquas · 27-02-2021 06:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The issue is not capacity to administer the vaccine, its supplies into the country. How many times do this need to be repeated?

I'll give this one more shot, but it is galling to be constantly accused of not understanding the precise issue that I raised (at post no. 1987).

Whether the delay in our vaccine rollout is due to the level of supplies coming into the country is an entirely secondary issue and it is nonsense to claim, as Embraer187 did, that "Ireland is doing exceptionally well on the vaccine roll out" because we have used almost all our available supplies.

It disturbs me that so many posters here fail to understand this point. It seems that what matters to them is that blame should not attach to those administering the vaccines, even if our rollout is clearly lagging behind our nearest neighbour.

Imagine a business with the hottest new product in the world. People are literally begging for the stuff. The retail manager says to the CEO "I know we have only met a fraction of the demand and our nearest competitor has sold 10 times more than us but we're really doing exceptionally well. Look - our shelves are almost empty!

Or is this the normal business model of the HSE? Look at those waiting lists!

ACitizenErased · 27-02-2021 06:32PM

Caquas wrote: »

I'll give this one more shot, but it is galling to be constantly accused of not understanding the precise issue that I raised (at post no. 1987).

Whether the delay in our vaccine rollout is due to the level of supplies coming into the country is an entirely secondary issue and it is nonsense to claim, as Embraer187 did, that "Ireland is doing exceptionally well on the vaccine roll out" because we have used almost all our available supplies.

It disturbs me that so many posters here fail to understand this point. It seems that what matters to them is that blame should not attach to those administering the vaccines, even if our rollout is clearly lagging behind our nearest neighbour.

Imagine a business with the hottest new product in the world. People are literally begging for the stuff. The retail manager says to the CEO "I know we have only met a fraction of the demand and our nearest competitor has sold 10 times more than us but we're really doing exceptionally well. Look - our shelves are almost empty!

Or is this the normal business model of the HSE? Look at those waiting lists!

Christ you are incredibly uninformed

irishlad. · 27-02-2021 06:38PM

Caquas wrote: »

I'll give this one more shot, but it is galling to be constantly accused of not understanding the precise issue that I raised (at post no. 1987).

Whether the delay in our vaccine rollout is due to the level of supplies coming into the country is an entirely secondary issue and it is nonsense to claim, as Embraer187 did, that "Ireland is doing exceptionally well on the vaccine roll out" because we have used almost all our available supplies.

It disturbs me that so many posters here fail to understand this point. It seems that what matters to them is that blame should not attach to those administering the vaccines, even if our rollout is clearly lagging behind our nearest neighbour.

Imagine a business with the hottest new product in the world. People are literally begging for the stuff. The retail manager says to the CEO "I know we have only met a fraction of the demand and our nearest competitor has sold 10 times more than us but we're really doing exceptionally well. Look - our shelves are almost empty!

Or is this the normal business model of the HSE? Look at those waiting lists!

But it still boils down to supply, whether its the hottest product in town or a vaccine.

We've all had a go at the HSE at some point in time, but this is not one of those times.

COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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