COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

IRISHSPORTSGUY

Interesting that EU deliveries for J&J are expected in early April, yet the UK doesn't expect deliveries until the second half of the year.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/janssen-publishes-positive-safety-and-efficacy-data-for-single-dose-covid-19-vaccine

Cork2021

https://twitter.com/coronavirusgoo1/status/1365793360242479107?s=21

speckle

would somebody please post a rough number of how many 1st injections done and how many have number 1 and 2 done?thanks

Cork2021

Sorry never gave link

https://twitter.com/coronavirusgoo1/status/1365795316939837442?s=21

Wolf359f

Cork2021 wrote: »

Sorry never gave link

https://twitter.com/coronavirusgoo1/status/1365795316939837442?s=21

Someone on twitter looking for a link to the data, twitter user responds with a daily mail article lol.
I think that's the paper there:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3790399

Only 6% in that paper received the AZ vaccine, but somehow that's enough for then to draw the conclusion is effective in 65+
It seems to be the same as the Scottish research, lacking data on 65+.

Cork2021

Wolf359f wrote: »

Someone on twitter looking for a link to the data, twitter user responds with a daily mail article lol.
I think that's the paper there:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3790399

Only 6% in that paper received the AZ vaccine, but somehow that's enough for then to draw the conclusion is effective in 65+
It seems to be the same as the Scottish research, lacking data on 65+.

To be fair he’s usually on the ball with links and so on. Still encouraging news regardless of sample size!

landofthetree

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1365803122740912129

Wolf359f

landofthetree wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1365803122740912129

Great news!
It's amazing the amount of bile people spew on twitter in the comments section.

ACitizenErased

Is it just me or is the AstraZeneca vaccine becoming better and better as the days go?

Van.Bosch

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Is it just me or is the AstraZeneca vaccine becoming better and better as the days go?

Everything is becoming better and better as the days go if you ask me!

JacksonHeightsOwn

JTMan wrote: »

An Italian member of the EMA technical committee said this week on Italian radio that Curevac and Novavax will get EMA approval by April.

Sweden think April for Curevac too.

How can they be so sure on CureVac?

They haven't even released their phase 3 results yet. Or am I missing something?

Mind you, being one of the mRNA type vaccines you'd like to think it will perform much like the Pfizer and moderna jabs.

Fingers crossed anyway

ACitizenErased

chrisbonnie wrote: »

How can they be so sure on CureVac?

They haven't even released their phase 3 results yet. Or am I missing something?

Mind you, being one of the mRNA type vaccines you'd like to think it will perform much like the Pfizer and moderna jabs.

Fingers crossed anyway

Curevac is in rolling review as far as i know

ACitizenErased

Testing news:

https://twitter.com/DonnellyStephen/status/1365713301280329730?s=20

mick087

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Is it just me or is the AstraZeneca vaccine becoming better and better as the days go?

It always was and still is an excellent vaccine.

D.Q

mick087 wrote: »

It always was and still is an excellent vaccine.

I'd just like to point out that I liked AZ way before the rest of you.

Neamhshuntasach

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Everything is becoming better and better as the days go if you ask me!

Gotta be reading this thread to have that opinion. That other main covid thread is a cesspit of negative sh1te. And you certainly don't hear an ounce of the positive stuff in this thread in the Irish mainstream media.

Wolf359f

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

Gotta be reading this thread to have that opinion. That other main covid thread is a cesspit of negative sh1te. And you certainly don't hear an ounce of the positive stuff in this thread in the Irish mainstream media.

I totally agree. I stay out of the restrictions thread also. The main Covid thread has gone downhill, mainly due to posters being banned elsewhere and ending up there. The time for negativity is over, each day brings us closer and closer to a normal.

josip

Caquas wrote: »

I'll give this one more shot, but it is galling to be constantly accused of not understanding the precise issue that I raised (at post no. 1987).

Whether the delay in our vaccine rollout is due to the level of supplies coming into the country is an entirely secondary issue and it is nonsense to claim, as Embraer187 did, that "Ireland is doing exceptionally well on the vaccine roll out" because we have used almost all our available supplies.

It disturbs me that so many posters here fail to understand this point. It seems that what matters to them is that blame should not attach to those administering the vaccines, even if our rollout is clearly lagging behind our nearest neighbour.

Imagine a business with the hottest new product in the world. People are literally begging for the stuff. The retail manager says to the CEO "I know we have only met a fraction of the demand and our nearest competitor has sold 10 times more than us but we're really doing exceptionally well. Look - our shelves are almost empty!

Or is this the normal business model of the HSE? Look at those waiting lists!

It's limited by supply Caqas.

josip

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

How are AZ fluctuating between 50% and 100% over merely a couple of days? Those are extreme differentials.

Robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Same as they did with EU/UK back in January.

Charles Babbage

josip wrote: »

It's limited by supply Caqas.

Exactly. Your local petrol station cannot fulfil demand if the oil companies will not deliver. Your local vaccination centre is likewise.

speckle

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Testing news:

https://twitter.com/DonnellyStephen/status/1365713301280329730?s=20

About time... great news...how many months since I posted on the main thread regarding their beneficial use as a public health tool in the kit and received so much negativity from some of the pcr only individuals.

gmisk

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

Hope he feels better soon. The side effects I experienced (mainly nausea and muscle aches) went after around 36hours I just spent most of that time resting on the couch.
My colleagues who experienced side effects were ok again- ranging from 8hours to 48 hours.

Up this morning and feeling grand thankfully!
So about 20 hours or so.
Aches was main issue everywhere.

is_that_so

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Testing news:

https://twitter.com/DonnellyStephen/status/1365713301280329730?s=20

It's always been about the accuracy of these types of tests. There is now a French prototype I linked to some pages back, which is almost as accurate as PCR.

conor_mc

is_that_so wrote: »

It's always been about the accuracy of these types of tests. There is now a French prototype I linked to some pages back, which is almost as accurate as PCR.

What rapid testing misses in accuracy, it more than makes up for in volume.

Liverpool and Everton were the last two Premiership clubs allowed small number of fans in their stadiums before the current UK lockdown, after being one of the worst-hit areas of the UK just months earlier. The reason, mass rapid testing.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-merseyside-55044488

The problem with PCR is not accuracy, it’s the inability to identify asymptomatic case that do not present for tests!!

conor_mc

conor_mc wrote: »

What rapid testing misses in accuracy, it more than makes up for in volume.

Liverpool and Everton were the last two Premiership clubs allowed small number of fans in their stadiums before the current UK lockdown, after being one of the worst-hit areas of the UK just months earlier. The reason, mass rapid testing.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-merseyside-55044488

The problem with PCR is not accuracy, it’s the inability to identify asymptomatic case that do not present for tests!!

Liverpool skyrocketed again though.

is_that_so

conor_mc wrote: »

What rapid testing misses in accuracy, it more than makes up for in volume.

Liverpool and Everton were the last two Premiership clubs allowed small number of fans in their stadiums before the current UK lockdown, after being one of the worst-hit areas of the UK just months earlier. The reason, mass rapid testing.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-merseyside-55044488

The problem with PCR is not accuracy, it’s the inability to identify asymptomatic case that do not present for tests!!

And yet it's not seen as a credible, viable option. Negative tests still need to be confirmed by PCR anyway. I'd be wary of brilliant quick fix ideas out of the UK, they've had lots of them.

gmisk

I was chatting to my folks this morning.
My mum used to be a nurse in NI.
They are now vaccinating the over 50s!
That is seriously quick, I know the supply is issue down here but it is very frustrating.

gally74

Just one questions, if Vaccine passports are to be intoruced do we have enough tracability in ireland as to who or who didnt get one, As far as I know PPs no's are not collected?

One real way to take some cost out of the HSE etc. is a digitial identity like Estonia, they are world leaders

https://e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/

is_that_so

gally74 wrote: »

Just one questions, if Vaccine passports are to be intoruced do we have enough tracability in ireland as to who or who didnt get one, As far as I know PPs no's are not collected?

One real way to take some cost out of the HSE etc. is a digitial identity like Estonia, they are world leaders

https://e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/

And the unvaccinated small people who might be travelling on holiday with you?

Caquas

astrofool wrote: »

You got all your numbers completely ar*eways and then kept on digging down on them while offering up zero suggestions as to how we change the fact that our numbers are purely down to supply.

The UK has plants producing vaccine which is has effectively nationalised to keep away from other countries, they emergency approved vaccines ahead of other countries and are not following manufacturer's instructions on dosing for the vaccines, in addition, their majority vaccine may not be as effective in the older generation (data pending) or against some of the variants of the disease. They also have had much more cases and deaths per capita than Ireland has, and in the end, after the vaccine rollout, we might end up 3-6 weeks behind them, but with a much lower death count than they had.

As you know it was Embraer’s chart that had its figures wrong, showing the Lithuanian figure for Ireland. And, as I said. that didn’t change my key point - there were no grounds for calling our vaccine rollout “exceptionally good”

At least we seem to have gone beyond the premature self-congratulations here and the “how many times must I tell you” or “ignore him” nonsense.

I never claimed to have all the answers but I don’t think the British would accept your explanations for their success. And Embraer’s chart did have an important message if s/he wasn’t so complacent. Some of the largest EU countries are not administering the AstraZeneca vaccine efficiently. Why can’t we get their stocks?
Europe’s AstraZeneca stockpile mounts as citizens snub jab https://on.ft.com/3ksLM9K
And just to be clear, I’d be delighted and impressed if we achieve the 82% target set by the Taoiseach by the end of June. Hell, I’d be impressed if it’s only 81.7% on 1 July. :cool: