Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

KanyeSouthEast · 24-02-2021 07:40PM

Was at the dentist today. There was a show on called Elaine on rte 1 TV. I wasn’t watching or have ever seen or heard of this woman before but I looked up at one stage and she was crying literally tears on tv claiming that “old people were being thrown under the bus” by covid and that we needed to be so cautious and so careful. Then told us her own mother had been tested recently-negative like 95% of the rest of people getting tests and then cut to an ad break. The dentists drill came as a welcome distraction.
Question: how does anyone think that old people “are being thrown under the bus” by covid! WTF is wrong with this joke shop of a country.

Silentcorner · 24-02-2021 07:41PM

Graham wrote: »

Well that's another one for the 'things Silentcorner gets wrong' list.

Aren't you a mod?

Silentcorner · 24-02-2021 07:43PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

next few months. obviously a pandemic wasnt going to be over in 2 weeks, no one really thought it would. The government couldnt say they were going to lock us down for a year +.

Did you think we'd be in the one of the strictest lock downs on the planet?

Which is probably destroying that woman's business!

_Kaiser_ · 24-02-2021 07:44PM

Just dipping into the thread again.

Having read back a bit, how many of our regular lockdown-justifiers are sitting at home on full wages lodging a fair portion of that into savings every month, or alternatively still working away outside the home every day while living with family?

Or alternatively, how many of this same group are medically vulnerable or nervous about their health generally?

Because those are the only reasons I can think of for their stance at this point to be honest.

It's farcical. As I said ages ago now this nonsense will go on until May at least, still cheerled by people who are least affected by it.

Oh and for the record, I am one of those who has been at home since last March working away and saving significantly on the commute and general daily expenses - but I'm not so arrogant or blinded that I think everyone else can just stay home and watch Netflix just because I can do that.

Especially for a virus that people need to be told they have in many cases and with a minimal death rate given the population and demographics of the country.

It's genuinely astounding how compliant and accepting a large section of this country are given our not too distant past - maybe there really IS something in the water after all!

Graham · 24-02-2021 07:46PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Did you think we'd be in the one of the strictest lock downs on the planet?

We're not in reality.

The number of people ignoring the restrictions explains why.

Graham · 24-02-2021 07:48PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Having read back a bit, how many of our regular lockdown-justifiers are sitting at home on full wages lodging a fair portion of that into savings every month, or alternatively still working away outside the home every day while living with family?

I understand the need for restrictions and fall into neither of your categories.

SilentGreenx32 · 24-02-2021 07:49PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Another poster who hasn't a clue what business ownership is like....

She is probably a very hard worker and is not adjusting to not being able to work
She is probably concerned that her customer base are now all finding ways to give themselves the treatments they used to come to her for.
She probably recognise's that the State are going to cost these little companies 20-30% of their customer base.
She may be under financial pressure with rent

I don't know if any of the above is true, but neither do any of us.

The Government has thrown small business owners under the bus...and the pious are almost sneering when one of the has the audacity to take a stand!!!

This has really exposed our charming side hasn't it!!

The poster you're replying too and many others on this board like him are just ivory tower muppets

pgj2015 · 24-02-2021 07:51PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Did you think we'd be in the one of the strictest lock downs on the planet?

Which is probably destroying that woman's business!

I didn't know what would happen, I never lived through a once in 100 year pandemic before. what she did was selfish and stupid, its not as if they said she wouldn't be allowed open until 2025, she will likely be allowed open in 2 months.

You have to trust the governnment, scientists and medical experts.

if she has a good business, she wont loose any customers.

daydorunrun · 24-02-2021 07:53PM

Aph2016 wrote: »

The salon owner should have just got in touch with her regular customers and made an arrangement with then on an individual basis. Anyone who thinks this isn't already being widely done across the country is naive.

I’m thankful to her and others like her for letting the government know the public, particularly small businesses won’t just accept indefinite lockdown without some hope.

There are many small employers who contribute a lot to our society in terms of taxes and employment who having spent money on retro fitting shops and premises to be COVID compliant have been shut down. Meanwhile on Main Street Ireland, multinational stores continue to operate.

ceadaoin. · 24-02-2021 07:57PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

I didn't know what would happen, I never lived through a once in 100 year pandemic before. what she did was selfish and stupid, its not as if they said she wouldn't be allowed open until 2025, she will likely be allowed open in 2 months.

You have to trust the governnment, scientists and medical experts.

if she has a good business, she wont loose any customers.

Trust science? There is no scientific evidence to suggest that hair salons are a major source of spreading the virus if precautions are taken.

Aph2016 · 24-02-2021 07:59PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

I didn't know what would happen, I never lived through a once in 100 year pandemic before. what she did was selfish and stupid, its not as if they said she wouldn't be allowed open until 2025, she will likely be allowed open in 2 months.

You have to trust the governnment, scientists and medical experts.

if she has a good business, she wont loose any customers.

You have got to be kidding me saying we should trust the government, scientists and experts. The government have been appalling and the scientists and experts have become completely political. Most of the experts had completely different advise at the start of the pandemic and the majority of them are loving their 15 minutes of fame, being on every TV show and radio station, spreading their misery while receiving full wages.

Graham · 24-02-2021 08:00PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Trust science? There is no scientific evidence to suggest that hair salons are a major source of spreading the virus if precautions are taken.

Quite a lot of science that confirms viruses spread through contact though.

Less contact, less spread.

Silentcorner · 24-02-2021 08:00PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

I didn't know what would happen, I never lived through a once in 100 year pandemic before. what she did was selfish and stupid, its not as if they said she wouldn't be allowed open until 2025, she will likely be allowed open in 2 months.

You have to trust the governnment, scientists and medical experts.

if she has a good business, she wont loose any customers.

How about the Government, "scientists" and "medical experts" earn our trust?

They have had long enough to do that, but clearly they have failed.

They could be more measured in their responses and predictions, but they are not, they are the opposite, hysteria follows hysteria....it's all about deadly variants now but there were variants all last year as well.

We have all the relevant data...they can't keep us in fear forever!

She obviously had a good business, like many others in thsi country she probably will lose 20/30% of her revenue, buying habits change for a closure of this duration, you never get them back...through no fault of her own.

_Kaiser_ · 24-02-2021 08:01PM

Graham wrote: »

I understand the need for restrictions and fall into neither of your categories.

So not working, living alone, and healthy Graham?

What need is there to continue to severely restrict 4.9 million people after a year's worth of data that proves the overwhelming majority of them won't suffer any significant effects even if they do get it, and assuming they realise it at all?

Or are you under the impression that only covid - and covid deaths - matters? Or is it that you think that we can stop death itself if we all continue to lock ourselves away?

How much is enough Graham?

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 24-02-2021 08:02PM

Graham wrote: »

We're not in reality.

The number of people ignoring the restrictions explains why.

MM is that you?

Silentcorner · 24-02-2021 08:03PM

I'd say some won't be happy until we are top of the table...most strict lock down on the planet, we are nearly there!!!!

Best boys in the class!!!

pgj2015 · 24-02-2021 08:03PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

How about the Government, "scientists" and "medical experts" earn our trust?

They have had long enough to do that, but clearly they have failed.

They could be more measured in their responses and predictions, but they are not, they are the opposite, hysteria follows hysteria....it's all about deadly variants now but there were variants all last year as well.

We have all the relevant data...they can't keep us in fear forever!

She obviously had a good business, like many others in thsi country she probably will lose 20/30% of her revenue, buying habits change for a closure of this duration, you never get them back...through no fault of her own.

Or there may well be a boom when it ends and she will be busier than ever.

poppers · 24-02-2021 08:04PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

You know she is probably in a desperate situation, like a lot of small business owners, she has probably had to work long hours, made loads of sacrifices to build a living for herself only to see the most nonsensical, inhumane, anti science Government policy pose the biggest threat to her survival.

I can understand how she may rub people up the wrong way with her actions, but too many people have no idea what it is like to start and own your own business so you'd have no idea how attached she is to her customers and her endeavor over the years.

If her business hits the wall, she will have to beg the State for assistance, which is what she is clearly trying to prevent.

it was a publicity stunt nothing more or less and and nothing to do with needing money, exact same as the bar owner at the start of the current restrictions.
What did she think was going to happen. Im sure she has a phone numbers for her clients and didnt need to go on Facebook and Pat Kennys radio show to drum up business.

pgj2015 · 24-02-2021 08:06PM

What the salon owner did was actually very serious. she was inciting others to do the same, that is very serious during a pandemic. she should be heavily fined especially as she was given a warning, which she shouldn't have got.

dastardly00 · 24-02-2021 08:07PM

MethMartin wrote: »

Here you go:

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/armed-gardai-storm-shebeen-dublin-23376831

First time I this. I counted 14 Garda vehicles entering the car park. FFS were they expecting Daniel Kinahan to be running the shebeen or something :eek: All that was missing was the Garda helicopter

pjohnson · 24-02-2021 08:07PM

poppers wrote: »

it was a publicity stunt nothing more or less and and nothing to do with needing money, exact same as the bar owner at the start of the current restrictions.
What did she think was going to happen. Im sure she has a phone numbers for her clients and didnt need to go on Facebook and Pat Kennys radio show to drum up business.

Hopefully whatever business supports shes been claiming get cut/put towards her upcoming fine.

Silentcorner · 24-02-2021 08:09PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

Or there may well be a boom when it ends and she will be busier than ever.

I think some sectors will boom, cars, home improvements.

But way more businesses, beauty salons, barbers, retail, cafe's, restaurants, hotels will all be way down...it's hard to see how the local economies in the towns around this country will ever be the same again...these SME's between them employ a lot of people who won't have jobs when they re open.

darconio · 24-02-2021 08:10PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

she was given a chance as well, they warned her yesterday not to open again. she wouldn't have got that chance in other countries.

In several other European countries hairdresser didn't close. They are serving customers by appointment (e.g 1 at a time, sorry for pointing that out, but it seem to be rocket science for the expert irish virologists)

Penfailed · 24-02-2021 08:11PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think when a large Garda presence is outside a salon to arrest a woman for trying to earn a living... you feel the country has maybe lost sight of what is important

They had absolutely no choice. She was blatantly breaking the law and had to be made an example off, otherwise the floodgates would open.

24-02-2021 08:12PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

no, just the sad nut jobs who believe every conspiracy theory they hear. she obviously isn't a welfare for life merchant but she is a me me me person. no one is going to starve in Ireland, doing it to put food on the table is a load of crap.

It must be great to be so privileged that you think NO ONE is going to starve in Ireland...

Guess you’ve probably never been near a local food bank run by volunteers. There are a lot of them that try to help people that need food and clothes etc.

Plenty of people end up homeless in Ireland and on several occasions people have frozen to death on the streets.

Good for you though to be so privileged that you don’t realise it’s happening

Silentcorner · 24-02-2021 08:12PM

darconio wrote: »

In several other European countries hairdresser didn't close. They are serving customers by appointment (e.g 1 at a time, sorry for pointing that out, but it seem to be rocket science for the expert irish virologists)

Clearly they don't have scientists or medical experts in that country!!!

pgj2015 · 24-02-2021 08:13PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

I think some sectors will boom, cars, home improvements.

But way more businesses, beauty salons, barbers, retail, cafe's, restaurants, hotels will all be way down...it's hard to see how the local economies in the towns around this country will ever be the same again...these SME's between them employ a lot of people who won't have jobs when they re open.

Barbers, cafes, hotels, restaurants were all booming last summer during the staycations, it will be the same when the pandemic ends. business people are optimistic creatures, they will survive and thrive.

ninebeanrows · 24-02-2021 08:13PM

dastardly00 wrote: »

First time I this. I counted 14 Garda vehicles entering the car park. FFS were they expecting Daniel Kinahan to be running the shebeen or something :eek: All that was missing was the Garda helicopter

Just seen that now, bonkers. What a measured use of resources!

wakka12 · 24-02-2021 08:13PM

Newstalk had a GP on talking about the death of the 16 year old today, that they can't say much without knowing whether they had an underlying health issue, fair enough, but then she said 'it is unexpected, as most people that age survive the virus'

Ummm...! Understatement of the centry.. most?? Almost all would be a more representative description

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 24-02-2021 08:13PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

I'd say some won't be happy until we are top of the table...most strict lock down on the planet, we are nearly there!!!!

Best boys in the class!!!

Our thanks will be new taxes to pay for this. I didn't get a single penny from the gov but damn sure I'll be asked to pay.

They're laughing at us.

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