Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

I think when a large Garda presence is outside a salon to arrest a woman for trying to earn a living... you feel the country has maybe lost sight of what is important

If the lady had contacted all her customers and quietly opened it would have been barely noticed. By publicising on media and bringing in the anti-vax yellow vest nutters, opening her business does not come across as having been her priority.

Ace2007

Akesh wrote: »

What I find odd about the lockdown enthusiasts and the zero covid idealists is that they are simply just accepting NPHET's word for everything. The reason cases rose over Xmas was because 1) We stopped testing close contacts 2) We allowed people into the country from all of the world. This blaming ordinary people nonsense is really starting to grate me.

The questions that need to be asked:

1) Why does Ireland have the highest number of deaths in nursing homes in Europe despite having the harshest restrictions and not allowing visitors for well over a year?
2) Did ordinary Irish resident citizens cause the spike at Xmas or was this the Government allowing people to return to Ireland from all over the world?
3) Who is going to pay for the cost of these restrictions which were imposed with no public consultation or consideration for the economy?
4) Why schools were 'safe' but Ireland has closed schools for the longest period of any other country in Europe?
5) Why must the whole population be restricted for a virus that kills less than 2% of people, many of whom had serious underlying conditions (93%) with a median age of 83. Surely a better policy would have been to isolate those most at risk.

At some point over the coming months the public will reach breaking point as we are on a road to nowhere. Once the realisation hits home that the vaccine isn't a magic bullet, are we just going to give up at that point because almost everyone is suffering from fatigue with the continual mismanagement and a la carte approach taken by NPHET and the Government?

Locking everyone away is an admission of failure. Why wasn't capacity in the health service ramped up? Surely that is a more cost effective measure than paying the public and private sectors to sit at home.

As usual these decisions have been taken with absolutely no debate when they are already seriously damaging our economy.

My least favourite term of Covid has been 'following the science'. An apt phrase for people who haven't a clue what they are doing.

Fianna Fail, Fine Gael and The Green's will be finished after the next election.

A number of your points are inaccurate but not real point going through them, but i'll ask you on the last point - Do you honestly believe that SF will want to be in power in the next election? They could have won the last election with the largest majority and being sole party in government, but they position themselves in a way that they would win big, but never enough to go into government. The next government will have to introduce taxes and cuts to pay for this mess - will SF do this?

celt262

FlubberJones wrote: »

Glad to see the place open up, knew it would get shut down but if we see more and more if it they can't shut everywhere can they

I wonder will she chance opening tomorrow i could do with a short back and sides or will all this free advertising help her get plenty of donations for her gofundme and she won't need to open.

Faugheen

December 1st, when restrictions were eased and non-essential retail was opened, we had an incidence rate of 87.

Now, with armchair epidemiologists saying this is all Tony Holohan’s ego etc etc (he hasn’t been around in weeks, as his wife died), the incidence rate is 240.

Yet many people are here whinging and complaining about still being in lockdown.

What did you all expect?

pm1977x

paw patrol wrote: »

you can think that and also think the number of gardai was excessive . very excessive imo. It shows a scummy nature tbh.

You don't get that many gardai out to a violent attack or when your house is being robbed.
Go figure.

Probably because the violent attack or robbery aren't announced the day before on national radio, but don't let facts distract you from your rant.

castletownman

I heard there is ANOTHER new variant that is spread solely from cutting people's hair. It doesn't matter if both the hairdresser and client are wearing masks and other PPE and are the only two people in the premises.

I hope the gardai took every precaution to protect themselves in carrying out this necessary action.

paw patrol

pm1977x wrote: »

Probably because the violent attack or robbery aren't announced the day before on national radio, but don't let facts distract you from your rant.

point missed.

Akesh

Ace2007 wrote: »

A number of your points are inaccurate but not real point going through them, but i'll ask you on the last point - Do you honestly believe that SF will want to be in power in the next election? They could have won the last election with the largest majority and being sole party in government, but they position themselves in a way that they would win big, but never enough to go into government. The next government will have to introduce taxes and cuts to pay for this mess - will SF do this?

Why are you asking me about Sinn Fein's policies? Look them up yourself. I don't care about Sinn Fein but I do know that Sinn Fein aren't responsible for the mess we are in.

As for the 'not real point going through them', why would anyone engage with you when you can't even back-up or address what you feel in incorrect.

fin12

Anyone knew any campaigns / protests located in cork city? Can someone please send me a link .

I can’t set one up one or be the founder of one cause of my job, but I really want to join one. Please this is a genuine request for info. Pm please

RobitTV

https://twitter.com/padraig_reilly/status/1364548392727289857

niallo27

RobitTV wrote: »

https://twitter.com/padraig_reilly/status/1364548392727289857

20 guards for this ****, if someone robbed your house be no sign of anyone for hours if anyone showed up at all. What a joke we have turned into.

Golfman64

castletownman wrote: »

I heard there is ANOTHER new variant that is spread solely from cutting people's hair. It doesn't matter if both the hairdresser and client are wearing masks and other PPE and are the only two people in the premises.

I hope the gardai took every precaution to protect themselves in carrying out this necessary action.

Should have just ordered a meal with the hair with the haircut - that would’ve helped right?!🙈

Graham

niallo27 wrote: »

20 guards for this ****, if someone robbed your house be no sign of anyone for hours if anyone showed up at all. What a joke we have turned into.

The whole thing was setup by the usual half-whitted suspects to provoke exactly this reaction so they have something to post to Facebook and Twitter later.

uli84

daydorunrun wrote: »

I caught the tail end of a conversation on the radio this morning- I think It was saying that the 5k restriction is linked to the eviction moratorium and can't be changed because of the effect it may have on evictions. Is this correct does anybody know?

Hope it’s a joke.

Silentcorner

Ace2007 wrote: »

A number of your points are inaccurate but not real point going through them, but i'll ask you on the last point - Do you honestly believe that SF will want to be in power in the next election? They could have won the last election with the largest majority and being sole party in government, but they position themselves in a way that they would win big, but never enough to go into government. The next government will have to introduce taxes and cuts to pay for this mess - will SF do this?

Do you notice how often the hardened lockdowners do this...they say something like,

"you are wrong about all that but I won't bother pointing them out to you"
"A load of inaccuracies there but no point going through them"

Or such like.

How about you do go through the points you think are inaccurate and let other decide you have any merit?

newuser99999

uli84 wrote: »

Hope it’s a joke.

It’s not
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1362142113513631746?s=21

Windmill100000

Graham wrote: »

The whole thing was setup by the usual half-whitted suspects to provoke exactly this reaction so they have something to post to Facebook and Twitter later.

Absolutely. Taking bookings from all over the country, apparently. Real legitimate bookings I'm sure. And she really thought that she would be told it's OK carry on. She was always going to be told to close up and she knew it. Surely all of us know on here this was about making a statement, not an actual belief a blind eye would be turned (especially after telling the country what she was doing). But, people are allowed to believe what they want.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

newuser99999 wrote: »

It’s not
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1362142113513631746?s=21

If only they could change laws willy nilly as they see fit....

hynesie08

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Absolutely. Taking bookings from all over the country, apparently. Real legitimate bookings I'm sure. And she really thought that she would be told it's OK carry on. She was always going to be told to close up and she knew it. Surely all of us know on here this was about making a statement, not an actual belief a blind eye would be turned (especially after telling the country what she was doing). But, people are allowed to believe what they want.

John waters was booked in for a wash and blow dry at 5.

Tork

hynesie08 wrote: »

John waters was booked in for a wash and blow dry at 5.

I think you'll find it was a de-lousing

Windmill100000

hynesie08 wrote: »

John waters was booked in for a wash and blow dry at 5.

Maybe he was the one from Galway?

uli84

newuser99999 wrote: »

It’s not
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1362142113513631746?s=21

Haha, it’s funny though even if it’s not

CruelSummer

Akesh wrote: »

What I find odd about the lockdown enthusiasts and the zero covid idealists is that they are simply just accepting NPHET's word for everything. The reason cases rose over Xmas was because 1) We stopped testing close contacts 2) We allowed people into the country from all of the world. This blaming ordinary people nonsense is really starting to grate me.

The questions that need to be asked:

1) Why does Ireland have the highest number of deaths in nursing homes in Europe despite having the harshest restrictions and not allowing visitors for well over a year?
2) Did ordinary Irish resident citizens cause the spike at Xmas or was this the Government allowing people to return to Ireland from all over the world?
3) Who is going to pay for the cost of these restrictions which were imposed with no public consultation or consideration for the economy?
4) Why schools were 'safe' but Ireland has closed schools for the longest period of any other country in Europe?
5) Why must the whole population be restricted for a virus that kills less than 2% of people, many of whom had serious underlying conditions (93%) with a median age of 83. Surely a better policy would have been to isolate those most at risk.

At some point over the coming months the public will reach breaking point as we are on a road to nowhere. Once the realisation hits home that the vaccine isn't a magic bullet, are we just going to give up at that point because almost everyone is suffering from fatigue with the continual mismanagement and a la carte approach taken by NPHET and the Government?

Locking everyone away is an admission of failure. Why wasn't capacity in the health service ramped up? Surely that is a more cost effective measure than paying the public and private sectors to sit at home.

As usual these decisions have been taken with absolutely no debate when they are already seriously damaging our economy.

My least favourite term of Covid has been 'following the science'. An apt phrase for people who haven't a clue what they are doing.

Fianna Fail, Fine Gael and The Green's will be finished after the next election.

Why aren't vaccines the magic bullet? Once a critical mass of the at risk groups are vaccinated it's game over. The Nutty Professors and ISAG can shout all they like, but I for one won't be listening.

Ace2007

Akesh wrote: »

Why are you asking me about Sinn Fein's policies? Look them up yourself. I don't care about Sinn Fein but I do know that Sinn Fein aren't responsible for the mess we are in.

As for the 'not real point going through them', why would anyone engage with you when you can't even back-up or address what you feel in incorrect.

Because it's been done to death and so many inaccurate comments, i'll look at the first point for you and break down was is incorrect...

You stated
".. and not allowing visitors for well over a year?"

Covid wasn't here in February last year - so it's not well over a year as you put it. It's actually less than a year.

Secondly - visitors have been allowed into nursing homes throughout the year - there are many grounds for it, I visited someone at xmas time for instance. It was even included in guidelines who was allowed to visit etc. So why are you saying that nursing homes weren't allowing visitors for well over a year?

I mention SF because they are the only realistic option as an alternative party for government - have you noticed they aren't shouting and screaming for the restrictions to be lifted?

CruelSummer

Faugheen wrote: »

December 1st, when restrictions were eased and non-essential retail was opened, we had an incidence rate of 87.

Now, with armchair epidemiologists saying this is all Tony Holohan’s ego etc etc (he hasn’t been around in weeks, as his wife died), the incidence rate is 240.

Yet many people are here whinging and complaining about still being in lockdown.

What did you all expect?

What did you expect? That a highly contagious coronavirus wouldn't become endemic in the population and we're supposed to hide out in our homes indefinitely? That people wouldn't go and see their families at Christmas no matter what the Government recommended, especially after yet another Level 5 in the Autumn.

Kermit.de.frog

Graham wrote: »

The whole thing was setup by the usual half-whitted suspects to provoke exactly this reaction so they have something to post to Facebook and Twitter later.

Ben Gilroy. Need more be said?

And some fall for it.

CruelSummer

Ace2007 wrote: »

Because it's been done to death and so many inaccurate comments, i'll look at the first point for you and break down was is incorrect...

You stated
".. and not allowing visitors for well over a year?"

Covid wasn't here in February last year - so it's not well over a year as you put it. It's actually less than a year.

Secondly - visitors have been allowed into nursing homes throughout the year - there are many grounds for it, I visited someone at xmas time for instance. It was even included in guidelines who was allowed to visit etc. So why are you saying that nursing homes weren't allowing visitors for well over a year?

I mention SF because they are the only realistic option as an alternative party for government - have you noticed they aren't shouting and screaming for the restrictions to be lifted?

Sinn Féin don't want to make any decisions and keep trying to highlight how the Government dared go against advisory body NPHET for Christmas. Pearse Doherty last night on Prime Time calling for mandatory quarantine for all non-essential travel into Ireland even from a vaccinated UK. Sinn Féin in power in the North where foreign travel bubbles look likely to be formed for the summer, joke shop of an opposition party.

I wonder if there will be a small cohort of people after things are back to normal who just won't accept it thanks to how overblown the media have been. Like that Japanese fella that emerged from the forest 28 years after WWII without a clue it had ended.

2029 and the only person Millennial Michelle has seen in nearly a decade is the tesco man, and most of her furniture is made of Amazon boxes and tears.

CruelSummer

Yet another member of ISAG (Zero Covid group) peddled out on Claire Byrne this morning, with the title Professor - but of what?

Professor Aoife McLysaght
Molecular Evolution Lab, Smurfit Institute of Genetics, University of Dublin, Trinity College.

Coming up tonight we'll have the Professor of Art and Drama at Trinity College discussing the way forward for our vaccination programme, genetic make up of variants from California and why vaccines won't work against the scary variants that just keep popping up. All based on hyperbole and hysteria taken straight from the handbook provided by Gerry Scally - Saul Alinksy's rules for activists.

Graham

Deleted User wrote: »

I wonder if there will be a small cohort of people after things are back to normal who just won't accept it thanks to how overblown the media have been. Like that Japanese fella that emerged from the forest 28 years after WWII without a clue it had ended.

2029 and the only person Millennial Michelle has seen in nearly a decade is the tesco man, and most of her furniture is made of Amazon boxes and tears.

There's a couple of regulars on here that are completely convinced that lockdown is going to be permanent so you never know.