Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01

teachinggal123 · 13-02-2021 08:09PM

km79 wrote: »

Not everyone has the luxury of online deliveries to rural areas sadly
That’s why we still have to risk the weekly shop

I’m genuinely surprised to hear that some places can’t get online delivery. Must be very remote!!!!

For those who can shop online it seems nuts to physically go shopping these days. Just wondering why anyone would.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 13-02-2021 08:14PM

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Must be very remote!!!!

Wouldn't have to be very remote at all.

First lockdown (March/April) there was a rush for online grocery deliveries and the backlog ran to a fortnight or more.

Tesco/Dunnes etc wouldn't have vehicles to cope with everyone going online

jrosen · 13-02-2021 08:14PM

There is not an endless availability of delivery slots. Im healthy and low risk and im also not working right now. Id rather leave the slots available to someone else, a front line worker or someone who really needs to cocoon.

Edit to add Im not rural by any means and last time round there was a month of home deliveries and C&C booked in advance.

Mrsmum · 13-02-2021 08:16PM

teachinggal123 wrote: »

I’m genuinely surprised to hear that some places can’t get online delivery. Must be very remote!!!!

For those who can shop online it seems nuts to physically go shopping these days. Just wondering why anyone would.

I thought it was requested of people this time last year to maybe leave the delivery spots for elderly, vulnerable people ? Or did I dream that ?

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 13-02-2021 08:20PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

I thought it was requested of people this time last year to maybe leave the delivery spots for elderly, vulnerable people ? Or did I dream that ?

It was, yep

firemansam4 · 13-02-2021 08:21PM

I dont think schools will open again this academic year.

I Just cant see cases dropping enough before easter for it to happen, then we will soon be into May, With just 1 or 2 months left then until the summer break I think they will just end up staying shut again until September.

Depressing stuff really for children who have already missed a large chunk of school last year and looking like its going to be the same story again this year.

Neagra · 13-02-2021 08:24PM

explain to me why any school in Clonmel/ cahir areas are closed
the below scores are for both towns and the surrounds - very large geographical area.
combined population just over 39,000
total combined cases last 14 days 61
i dont understand why we cannot open schools in areas where the rates are so so low

maybe one of the excellent teachers can explain it in a reasoned and detailed way

Clonmel
14-day incidence rate per 100,000 of population: 181
number of cases over the last 14 days: 44

Cahir
14-day incidence rate per 100,000 of population: 115.5
number of cases over the last 14 days: 17

Str8outtaWuhan · 13-02-2021 08:24PM

teachinggal123 wrote: »

I’m genuinely surprised to hear that some places can’t get online delivery. Must be very remote!!!!

For those who can shop online it seems nuts to physically go shopping these days. Just wondering why anyone would.

Some people, myself included, choose to live our lives, rather than to fear our deaths

.

p.s the chances of drowning is twice the chances of dying of covid, now i'm off for a bath

wirelessdude01 · 13-02-2021 08:27PM

Tpcl20 wrote: »

It's absolutely bizarre to me. I do it online in 15 minutes each week and spend the hour I save going out for some bonus fresh air.

Like, you're taking a calculated risk going inside anywhere now with the increased potency of the strains.

If cases don't get lower, schools won't be able to fully reopen.

Personally I'd like to leave the delivery slots to those that require them.

wirelessdude01 · 13-02-2021 08:29PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

I thought it was requested of people this time last year to maybe leave the delivery spots for elderly, vulnerable people ? Or did I dream that ?

There was advertising asking that we leave the delivery slots to those that require them such as the elderly and front line workers.

km79 · 13-02-2021 08:29PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

I thought it was requested of people this time last year to maybe leave the delivery spots for elderly, vulnerable people ? Or did I dream that ?

It was

wirelessdude01 · 13-02-2021 08:30PM

Neagra wrote: »

explain to me why any school in Clonmel/ cahir areas are closed
the below scores are for both towns and the surrounds - very large geographical area.
combined population just over 39,000
total combined cases last 14 days 61
i dont understand why we cannot open schools in areas where the rates are so so low

maybe one of the excellent teachers can explain it in a reasoned and detailed way

Clonmel
14-day incidence rate per 100,000 of population: 181
number of cases over the last 14 days: 44

Cahir
14-day incidence rate per 100,000 of population: 115.5
number of cases over the last 14 days: 17

Think your question is best asked of the government. We didn't close the school buildings and have minimal influence in reopening them.

Mrsmum · 13-02-2021 08:31PM

Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »

Some people, myself included, choose to live our lives, rather than to fear our deaths .

p.s the chances of drowning is twice the chances of dying of covid, now i'm off for a bath

You're not supposed to be thinking of just yourself though.

teachinggal123 · 13-02-2021 08:32PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

I thought it was requested of people this time last year to maybe leave the delivery spots for elderly, vulnerable people ? Or did I dream that ?

The guy who delivers my shopping says they are busy but have additional capacity since last year. A few days lag between ordering and delivery ... certainly not weeks.

There are a lot of older couples living near me (mature estate) and I have never seen any of them get online shopping delivered. Their adult children bring them shopping or they go out physically shopping themselves.

It’s crazy to be going anywhere when we don't need to.

Neagra · 13-02-2021 08:33PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Think your question is best asked of the government. We didn't close the school buildings and have minimal influence in reopening them.

thanks for the reply
the answer is you cannot justify the schools being closed
i would rather you showed come humility and said so.

my original post goes to all teachers on here who are pro school closure.

teachinggal123 · 13-02-2021 08:38PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Personally I'd like to leave the delivery slots to those that require them.

I haven’t seen anything recent asking people to reserve online delivery spots for the elderly. Can anyone link to a - recent - statement asking that? Capacity for online delivery has increased hugely since last year.

am_zarathustra · 13-02-2021 08:38PM

Neagra wrote: »

explain to me why any school in Clonmel/ cahir areas are closed
the below scores are for both towns and the surrounds - very large geographical area.
combined population just over 39,000
total combined cases last 14 days 61
i dont understand why we cannot open schools in areas where the rates are so so low

maybe one of the excellent teachers can explain it in a reasoned and detailed way

Clonmel
14-day incidence rate per 100,000 of population: 181
number of cases over the last 14 days: 44

Cahir
14-day incidence rate per 100,000 of population: 115.5
number of cases over the last 14 days: 17

You know it's not teachers who decide whether the schools open!

Mrsmum · 13-02-2021 08:38PM

teachinggal123 wrote: »

The guy who delivers my shopping says they are busy but have additional capacity since last year. A few days lag between ordering and delivery ... certainly not weeks.

There are a lot of older couples living near me (mature estate) and I have never seen any of them get online shopping delivered. Their adult children bring them shopping or they go out physically shopping themselves.

It’s crazy to be going anywhere when we don't need to.

Yeah there's probably more capacity there alright. Tbh it's the only outing I have at this stage and I nearly look forward to it !

wirelessdude01 · 13-02-2021 08:39PM

Neagra wrote: »

thanks for the reply
the answer is you cannot justify the schools being closed
i would rather you showed come humility and said so.

my original post goes to all teachers on here who are pro school closure.

It isn't any teachers job to justify school buildings being closed. We didn't close them.

We all understand why they were closed in the first place. If you want localised arrangements then you need to contact your local politicians to make them aware of your thoughts.

Neagra · 13-02-2021 08:41PM

am_zarathustra wrote: »

You know it's not teachers who decide whether the schools open!

thanks for the reply

would you agree with me that in areas like cahir./clonmel that have very low rates of covid, schools should reopen

am_zarathustra · 13-02-2021 08:44PM

Neagra wrote: »

thanks for the reply
the answer is you cannot justify the schools being closed
i would rather you showed come humility and said so.

my original post goes to all teachers on here who are pro school closure.

No one is pro closing anything, people are just following public health advice.

I'm not pro not seeing my family, I wasn't pro not seeing my dying father, I'm not pro having no social life, I'm not pro not being able to see relatives abroad, I'm not pro people loosing their jobs and businesses. That's not what this is about. I'm just listening and respecting public health advice, which should have been listened to before Christmas and we wouldn't be in this mess. They were clear about not opening schools this week, hopefully that advice will be different in a few weeks

I'll do whatever the experts believe is right to get the numbers down so others don't have to loose loved ones. I'd consider this basic human decency, I'll go back to a school building the minute NPHET tell me that that action will not unduly out lives at risk, because it will possibly put lives at risk anyway.

Asking for random areas to open schools is rank exceptionism and the exact reason we are in this mess

Neagra · 13-02-2021 08:44PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

It isn't any teachers job to justify school buildings being closed. We didn't close them.

We all understand why they were closed in the first place. If you want localised arrangements then you need to contact your local politicians to make them aware of your thoughts.

thanks

so you agree with me that the reasoning behind said schools being closed cannot be explained nor justified by any reasonable person.

its good to see a teacher admit the schools should not be closed in areas where the rates are low.

teachinggal123 · 13-02-2021 08:45PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

Yeah there's probably more capacity there alright. Tbh it's the only outing I have at this stage and I nearly look forward to it !

Yep ... I’d say there are lots of people going out shopping for this exact reason!!!

I’ll still say we should all be shopping online as much as possible at the moment and going into shops as little as possible.

Locotastic · 13-02-2021 08:45PM

teachinggal123 wrote: »

I’m genuinely surprised to hear that some places can’t get online delivery. Must be very remote!!!!

For those who can shop online it seems nuts to physically go shopping these days. Just wondering why anyone would.

I like to leave the online slots for those who really need them, the elderly, those with underlying conditions and people who cant get out to shop due to their circumstances.

I have relatives who can't go to the shop and honestly they would be lost without online shopping. If everyone does it online then there's not enough slots to go around for those who really need it.

I'm fit and able bodied and not classed as vulnerable. I'm out working 5 days a week so have to be out anyway.

I get in and get what I need and get out. The folk walking around with 2 or 3 kids in tow always leave me scratching my head. I wouldn't risk my kids catching covid just to go get bread in the shop. I understand some people don't have a choice, but it's far too commonplace and too many doing it.

Mrsmum · 13-02-2021 08:47PM

Neagra wrote: »

thanks for the reply

would you agree with me that in areas like cahir./clonmel that have very low rates of covid, schools should reopen

If the Government said ok we're going to make Cahir/Clonmel our test case, would the people there mind being the guinea pigs ??

Stateofyou · 13-02-2021 08:48PM

Neagra wrote: »

thanks for the reply
the answer is you cannot justify the schools being closed
i would rather you showed come humility and said so.

my original post goes to all teachers on here who are pro school closure.

Parents are here too or don't we count? Many of us also don't feel it was safe for our kids to go back around a time in which our covid rates were among the worst in the world. And without a functioning testing and trace system and no additional safety measures. It seems those of us who had serious concerns were right about them in the end. The unions should have never had to step in had NF done her job properly.

Str8outtaWuhan · 13-02-2021 08:50PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

You're not supposed to be thinking of just yourself though.

Remember always that you have not only the right to be an individual; you have an obligation to be one.

am_zarathustra · 13-02-2021 08:53PM

Stateofyou wrote: »

Parents are here too or don't we count? Many of us also don't feel it was safe for our kids to go back around a time in which our covid rates were among the worst in the world. And without a functioning testing and trace system and no additional safety measures. It seems those of us who had serious concerns were right about them in the end. The unions should have never had to step in had NF done her job properly.

I'm not a parent myself but I can see how in January I would not have been sending my kid into schools. Can I ask how you feel now? If numbers were to stabilize even to below 3/400 per day and it was phased would you be confortable?

Neagra · 13-02-2021 08:56PM

am_zarathustra wrote: »

No one is pro closing anything, people are just following public health advice.

I'm not pro not seeing my family, I wasn't pro not seeing my dying father, I'm not pro having no social life, I'm not pro not being able to see relatives abroad, I'm not pro people loosing their jobs and businesses. That's not what this is about. I'm just listening and respecting public health advice, which should have been listened to before Christmas and we wouldn't be in this mess. They were clear about not opening schools this week, hopefully that advice will be different in a few weeks

I'll do whatever the experts believe is right to get the numbers down so others don't have to loose loved ones. I'd consider this basic human decency, I'll go back to a school building the minute NPHET tell me that that action will not unduly out lives at risk, because it will possibly put lives at risk anyway.

Asking for random areas to open schools is rank exceptionism and the exact reason we are in this mess

firstly i acknowledge your post on an emotional level - but can we deal just with the facts
i am still confused
in cahir / clonmel areas in the last 14 days 0.001% of that population every day have caught the virus.

can someone explain why it is rank exceptionism ( whatever that is ) to reopen the schools in this area.

Neagra · 13-02-2021 08:58PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

If the Government said ok we're going to make Cahir/Clonmel our test case, would the people there mind being the guinea pigs ??

please my post 6306
what normal thinking person would be scared

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Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01