Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) **Mod warning in OP 22/01**

Neagra

hesaidshesaid wrote: »

From the mouths of babes...

https://twitter.com/Eintrachtrob/status/1360248313468121091?s=20

and they want to reduce the voting age to 16 -
poor pat did not want to embarrass the child
poor girl needs to be educated in common sense

C__MC

That Ciara Kelly one on Newstalk talk some pony re teachers

Warbeastrior

Its sad when it takes a 16 year old to bring some sense to the situation.

Neagra

Warbeastrior wrote: »

Its sad when it takes a 16 year old to bring some sense to the situation.

i fully agree like someone has to stand up for free speech and differing points of view.
:pac::pac:

downthemiddle

Neagra wrote: »

i fully agree like someone has to stand up for free speech and differing points of view.
:pac::pac:

Neagra wrote: »

and they want to reduce the voting age to 16 -
poor pat did not want to embarrass the child
poor girl needs to be educated in common sense

I'm sure someone will be able to make sense of this.

Treppen

Green Peter wrote: »

Theses are the same union leaders that sold out new teachers in previous pay negations. They only have their own interests at heart. Embarrasing.

If you take that position, then do you think the ASTI were correct in rejecting the new pay deal because it does not help new teachers.

BTW part of the new proposal is that if the deal is accepted then you have to agree not to strike.

Last time (which is the time I'm presuming you are incorrectly referring to ) all the unions had voted to accept the cuts and not to strike... THEN the government introduced the new entrants' pay cuts. There was zero Union vote on this.

So do you support the unions position in fighting for new entrants now?

Treppen

C__MC wrote: »

That Ciara Kelly one on Newstalk talk some pony re teachers

Don't forget it was her last year who asked all students to apply to the UK so they could DEMAND predicted grades off their teachers.

She actively berated teachers for having reservations about predicted grades last year LC2020.

She got her way.

Her daughter got her predicted grades.

Her daughter was downgraded in nearly every subject.

The thing is , it's not that teachers won't do it, its that they will stand up and say why it's wrong, be forced to undertake it, and then take the flack when it goes wrong.

jimmytwotimes 2013

hesaidshesaid wrote: »

From the mouths of babes...

https://twitter.com/Eintrachtrob/status/1360248313468121091?s=20

Fair play to that girl. The PUPers are funny.

Lets put all remote workers on PUP, yay.

appledrop

Interesting article in Irish Times on Sat about who top priority groups are in other countries with regard to vaccination programme.

France and America for example have people who work with schools for example bus drivers, teachers and certain other workers in next priority category after elderly/ health are workers.

Meanwhile in Ireland, very low on priority list in 11th category.

I know maybe some change recently for SNA'S etc with regard to vaccination but not clarified fully.

Str8outtaWuhan

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Union being ignored. Looks like PGs with option to sit LC if not happy. Decision already made imo

I'm assuming as asking teachers to assess students for the purposes of state certification is a change to terms and conditions, that the ASTI will tell their members to not comply?

Any union ppl on here confirm this as a possibility?

wirelessdude01

appledrop wrote: »

Interesting article in Irish Times on Sat about who top priority groups are in other countries with regard to vaccination programme.

France and America for example have people who work with schools for example bus drivers, teachers and certain other workers in next priority category after elderly/ health are workers.

Meanwhile in Ireland, very low on priority list in 11th category.

I know maybe some change recently for SNA'S etc with regard to vaccination but not clarified fully.

It was mentioned but quelle surprise nothing down on paper.

Van.Bosch

Do people think the LC delay will delay primary for example? I mean the thinking had been LC back first and then the rest. If LC plan can’t be agreed will it actually delay LC students going back (if deemed safe) and subsequently the rest?

km79

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Do people think the LC delay will delay primary for example? I mean the thinking had been LC back first and then the rest. If LC plan can’t be agreed will it actually delay LC students going back (if deemed safe) and subsequently the rest?

No why it would it ?

daydorunrun

Warbeastrior wrote: »

Its sad when it takes a 16 year old to bring some sense to the situation.

Everyone- teachers, students and parents alike have different needs. I know teachers working harder than before. I know some are happy to be remote teachers. I know others that hate it and can’t wait to be back where they belong: face to face with their students. Likewise some students are ok with being at home others are really struggling.
Parents are also not bad parents if they are struggling with homeschooling.
At the end of the day this isn’t really homeschooling where a parent decides to educate their child in a tailored way to suit them- this is emergency education. Let’s hope and prey that normality returns at some stage soon and we look back on this period and think: ‘that was mad’.

To teachers, students and parents here have a good, well deserved midterm. It’s been a tough week and I’ve found people are really struggling at the moment.
Remember there are better days ahead

mullinr2

With the numbers still really high, its looking unlikely that there will be any school in March. Best we can hope for is after Easter, but there are plenty of gob****es out there jeopardising even that.

History Queen

I didn't hear the interview, I'm going to try listen to it now but I thought this tweet was interesting.

https://twitter.com/checian/status/1360279793015672833?s=19

It really is more about politics than education.

billy_beckham

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Laptop closed til next Wednesday.


To the teachers here, enjoy break away from screen and I hope the break from school work is a help to the parents and students who post here too.

16.03....with 18 thanks no less

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Whoever gave that date is pretending they know more than they actually do

17.20....What about next Wednesday ??

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Union being ignored. Looks like PGs with option to sit LC if not happy. Decision already made imo

17.32 C'mon jimmy, tear yourself away man....

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Fair play to that girl. The PUPers are funny.

Lets put all remote workers on PUP, yay.

19.49...There's help out there for you twotimes, you just gotta take the first step...

billy_beckham

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Put down the bottle Billy

12 minutes later :-) :-)

Ted_YNWA

billy_beckham wrote: »

12 minutes later :-) :-)

Mod

And at 21:40 you are threadbanned

CrazyFather1

My friend has a child with autism. He has been so upset because of the school closing, really put him back and he was doing so well before.

I was shocked when I called this week saying it was great he was going back to school. She was in tears, an hour. A hour each day is all they are allowing him back in for,.

Maybe someone on here who is a teacher could explain the reason behind this because I am baffled? Im not trying to start a fight or anything, just wondering how they came up with this.

Millem

CrazyFather1 wrote: »

My friend has a child with autism. He has been so upset because of the school closing, really put him back and he was doing so well before.

I was shocked when I called this week saying it was great he was going back to school. She was in tears, an hour. A hour each day is all they are allowing him back in for,.

Maybe someone on here who is a teacher could explain the reason behind this because I am baffled? Im not trying to start a fight or anything, just wondering how they came up with this.

My guess would be staff shortages?
My own school are trying to sort out staff ahead of reopening the ASD class on the 22nd February.

wirelessdude01

CrazyFather1 wrote: »

My friend has a child with autism. He has been so upset because of the school closing, really put him back and he was doing so well before.

I was shocked when I called this week saying it was great he was going back to school. She was in tears, an hour. A hour each day is all they are allowing him back in for,.

Maybe someone on here who is a teacher could explain the reason behind this because I am baffled? Im not trying to start a fight or anything, just wondering how they came up with this.

An issue with staffing resources might be the reason. I know of a good few special schools and mainstream schools with special classes who have issues now with staff taking unpaid leave due to childcare issues.

km79

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

An issue with staffing resources might be the reason. I know of a good few special schools and mainstream schools with special classes who have issues now with staff taking unpaid leave due to childcare issues.

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Not sure what they though was going to happen.
Funnily enough there is a lot of fully qualified expert teachers in the inspectorate who have nothing to inspect .........They , and the teachers seconded to the JCT , should have been ordered back to the classroom to “don the green jersey “ and “answer the country’s call”

The inspectorate were apparently added to public health teams before Xmas . Nobody in any school ive talked to has had any contact with anyone from the inspectorate on any of those teams

araic88

km79 wrote: »

The inspectorate were apparently added to public health teams before Xmas . Nobody in any school ive talked to has had any contact with anyone from the inspectorate on any of those teams

I know of a few teachers who had these inspectors arrive into their classes before Christmas, asking the pupils about the Covid rules etc. and what the school is doing. Then made it clear to one of the teachers I know that they would not be classed as close contact of pupils in their class as they are in pods. All that rubbish that was being spouted.
So instead of coming up with contingency plans, for further remote learning stints, or indeed yes, helping out on the ground with staff shortages, the inspectorate was just adding to the stress and negativity.

km79

araic88 wrote: »

I know of a few teachers who had these inspectors arrive into their classes before Christmas, asking the pupils about the Covid rules etc. and what the school is doing. Then made it clear to one of the teachers I know that they would not be classed as close contact of pupils in their class as they are in pods. All that rubbish that was being spouted.
So instead of coming up with contingency plans, for further remote learning stints, or indeed yes, helping out on the ground with staff shortages, the inspectorate was just adding to the stress and negativity.

Yes some were redeployed so you speak to be Covid inspectors
What I’m talking about was the big announcement in November that inspectors would form part of public health teams to assist principals when there were cases/outbreaks
Never to be spoken of again..........maybe they should have been asked to give their mobile numbers to schools so they could be contacted at night and during weekends .
Principals were told they must do this at the start of the school year to ensure contact tracing etc was as efficient as it could be

yrreg0850

km79 wrote: »

Funnily enough there is a lot of fully qualified expert teachers in the inspectorate who have nothing to inspect .........They , and the teachers seconded to the JCT , should have been ordered back to the classroom to “don the green jersey “ and “answer the country’s call”

Why not order all teachers back to the classroom.

jimmytwotimes 2013

yrreg0850 wrote: »

Why not order all teachers back to the classroom.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40225289.html?type=amp&__twitter_impression=true

CrazyFather1

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

An issue with staffing resources might be the reason. I know of a good few special schools and mainstream schools with special classes who have issues now with staff taking unpaid leave due to childcare issues.

But the teachers are in, will only take the children for an hour. No explanation and from what I know it is the same everywhere

Sorry that's what she was told, everywhere is only doing an hour

|No mention of staff shortages etc

History Queen

CrazyFather1 wrote: »

But the teachers are in, will only take the children for an hour. No explanation and from what I know it is the same everywhere

Sorry that's what she was told, everywhere is only doing an hour

|No mention of staff shortages etc

Is it their way of doing 50% capacity and staff shortages? Are they thinking that a short amount of time everyday is better than one day in and one day out? I thought it was one day in, one day out in special schools to accomodate 50% capacity but I don't have first hand experience of the sector so I didn't read the guidance given. Either way from an outsiders perspective an hour seems so little.

Sammy2012

CrazyFather1 wrote: »

But the teachers are in, will only take the children for an hour. No explanation and from what I know it is the same everywhere

Sorry that's what she was told, everywhere is only doing an hour

|No mention of staff shortages etc

Definitely not true. Our ASD class is opening on Monday week for full days with all the children that want to return. Some are not coming back until the rest of their class comes back but those who are, are in for full days.