Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

dalyboy · 12-02-2021 10:38PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

The "killing granny" narrative will be forgotten relatively quickly, particularly by the young and they're gonna be pissed.

Granny won’t be dying after the vaccine jab so it’s game over for NPHET imo

Once my parents are jabbed I’m heading over with my kids for a weeks holiday (10kms from me)

They’ve not seen their grandkids since Xmas and vis versa.

The inhumane BS has to end sometime so why not at vaccine in the arm stage.

Only people infected with the most distasteful characteristic of sadism would want this isolated existence to continue any further.

growleaves · 12-02-2021 10:42PM

Boggles wrote: »

He is actually considered the first ever Epidemiologist.

His "oath" though has fúck all to do with "first, do no harm".

Think about it, if ever there was an impossible standard.

His oath was basically.

Do not kill the patient on purpose even if they ask.

Do not perform abortions.

And above all else do not ride your patient.

There are specific injunctions like the ones you mention and there is a general injunction to 'abstain from all intentional wrong-doing and harm'.

I am saying that prolonged isolation is 'harm'. In most human societies, including pre-March 2020 Western society, its considered a form of torture.

Charles Babbage · 12-02-2021 10:46PM

DylanJM wrote: »

Cases in Oct ranged from ~350 to ~1,250. We haven't had a sub 100 day with schools open as far as I'm aware and we're even less likely to now that the UK variant is making up the majority of our cases.

Exactly, cases declined in October and declined in November.

Any time that restaurants are closed things decline.

We have no schools for 3 weeks more, and then 3 weeks with schools open. Perhaps the UK variant will make a difference but the target is a reasonable one. They need to reduce numbers until they have enough vaccines to restrain things.

CruelSummer · 12-02-2021 10:57PM

Sinn Fein went on every current affairs programme they could find over the past few weeks and opposed Martin going in an attempt to vilify him, expecting he would be going.
This is the level of opposition we have in this country. Sinn Féin first, Ireland second.
And their retrospective criticism over Christmas & criticism of a government attempting to Govern & ‘go against NPHET’ as their online campaign were at pains to point out is another example of it. I saw Mary Lou on the news at the end of November, agreeing with the lifting of restrictions for December also. Hypocrites and no interest in the future of this country or society.

fin12 · 12-02-2021 10:59PM

growleaves wrote: »

There are specific injunctions like the ones you mention and there is a general injunction to 'abstain from all intentional wrong-doing and harm'.

I am saying that prolonged isolation is 'harm'. In most human societies, including pre-March 2020 Western society, its considered a form of torture.

The whole basis of Tom Hanks cast away film is no man is an island. And isolation is torture and eventually drives someone mental. Hello they use it in prisons as punishment. Put them into isolation.

MOH · 13-02-2021 12:07AM

Hego Damask wrote: »

Schools aren't a major transmission hub for this virus, there has been plenty of studies done, see my link above...

Our minister for health claimed that when pubs outside Dublin opened for 2 weeks, and there was an increase in a couple of those counties of about 10% higher than Dublin, that was "unambiguous evidence" that pubs were responsible. Despite it also coinciding with major sporting events and colleges reopening.

Daily cases nationwide in Ireland rose 50% in the 3 weeks after schools reopened at the end of August. With no other major contributing factors.

So by the standards set by our government, they're a disaster.

MOH · 13-02-2021 12:16AM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Exactly, cases declined in October and declined in November.

Any time that restaurants are closed things decline.

We have no schools for 3 weeks more, and then 3 weeks with schools open. Perhaps the UK variant will make a difference but the target is a reasonable one. They need to reduce numbers until they have enough vaccines to restrain things.

Cases were in rapid decline in October before level 5 came in , while restaurants were still open. At least 50% of the decrease at the end of the second wave was due to the existing level 3 restrictions.

The only thing achieved by level 5 that early was to coop people up for an extra few weeks before they predictably let off steam over Christmas. Egged on by the Taoiseach having told them they could have a "meaningful Christmas", and painting the approval of a vaccine as some kind of magic bullet

Anyway, blaming restaurants and pubs is behind the times. The new enemy is people going on holidays. But I guess blaming restaurants will do. The key thing is keeping them all distracted from the complete failure to implement any kind of travel restrictions or proper contact tracing.

ax530 · 13-02-2021 12:24AM

Find it hard to think of 6 more weeks within 5km.
My children have been finding the restrictions difficult recently so we took a friend on a walk one day it helped.
I've another child (3rd class) offered to look into meeting friend at playground/walk but they didn't want to ask anyone to 'break rules' wait until government say it ok. I feel bad they so into rules maybe I should have shielded them from them bit.
People living in estates with children at advantage as they seem to play with each other.
Hope schools open again soon, our school did really good job implementing restrictions.

Silentcorner · 13-02-2021 12:25AM

We have had two significant surges of this virus, that have spanned 6 weeks or so in a year.

Any amateur could spot a winter surge coming...and that it would last 6 weeks approx...what we couldn't know is how many people would get infected, given our collective immune system is at its weakest in Dec/Jan, we typically get a surge in viral infections at this time of the year.

You could see the numbers rising which coincided with the colder weather and darker evenings in Sept, through Oct...remember included in these figures are people who were not in any way sick.

The strong likelyhood, whatever the mutation or variant, is we will not see a surge like the last two until next winter....but we are pretending we could get one any day now.

We are pretending the government can control an invisible virus that is endemic in the population.

It is madness...

13-02-2021 12:28AM

fin12 wrote: »

The whole basis of Tom Hanks cast away film is no man is an island. And isolation is torture and eventually drives someone mental. Hello they use it in prisons as punishment. Put them into isolation.

Absolutely, people are social beings, things like release of endorphins through laughter, or a problem shared is a problem halved, or just generally being able to interact with people. That only happens now and in a very limited way. In the past week two elderly men in the supermarket made conversation with me, saying how terrible things were and they never get out and they think it will end soon. I think they were probably bachelor farmers coming in to go their shopping ( just basing that on how they looked) but no matter. I felt so sorry for them and just brings home to me the isolation some people are feeling. I think it’s slightly easier with a full household but for those living alone very very tough and isolating.

Silentcorner · 13-02-2021 12:28AM

ax530 wrote: »

Find it hard to think of 6 more weeks within 5km.
My children have been finding the restrictions difficult recently so we took a friend on a walk one day it helped.
I've another child (3rd class) offered to look into meeting friend at playground/walk but they didn't want to ask anyone to 'break rules' wait until government say it ok. I feel bad they so into rules maybe I should have shielded them from them bit.
People living in estates with children at advantage as they seem to play with each other.
Hope schools open again soon, our school did really good job implementing restrictions.

You should do what is best for your kids and find a like minded parent...the people who have imposed these inhumane restrictions haven't factored in the long term damage we could very well be doing to our children...or anyone else for that matter, I've met too many people in the last two weeks who have expressed concerns for their kids...no one is concerned about actually catching the virus, that in itself speaks volume's!!!!

ax530 · 13-02-2021 12:45AM

Good point about parents being more worried about children welfare due to restrictions now rather than virus.
Unfortunately in my case it is my child who is not comfortable with breaking rules to mix with friends or not wanting to put them in position of asking so can't even get as far as finding like minded parents. Other one of my children has gone for arranged walk/playground with friend but older one worried about doing that.
Interesting to see them they back to school how the cliques will be.
They watched a film set during WW2 and felt that the lifestyle children then had was better as only impacted some of the time could still do day to day things school, play ect.

Gael23 · 13-02-2021 12:46AM

I think when NI open up something has to give

FintanMcluskey · 13-02-2021 12:51AM

fin12 wrote: »

The whole basis of Tom Hanks cast away film is no man is an island. And isolation is torture and eventually drives someone mental. Hello they use it in prisons as punishment. Put them into isolation.

Solitary confinement in prison is banned for periods longer than 15 days.

It’s considered torture

Solitary confinement is considered to be a form of psychological torture with measurable long-term physiological effects when the period of confinement is longer than a few weeks or is continued indefinitely.

ingo1984 · 13-02-2021 12:56AM

MOH wrote: »

Our minister for health claimed that when pubs outside Dublin opened for 2 weeks, and there was an increase in a couple of those counties of about 10% higher than Dublin, that was "unambiguous evidence" that pubs were responsible. Despite it also coinciding with major sporting events and colleges reopening.

Daily cases nationwide in Ireland rose 50% in the 3 weeks after schools reopened at the end of August. With no other major contributing factors.

So by the standards set by our government, they're a disaster.

The nphet/HSE data released in December after the second wave confirmed this. More cases were related to schools than any other setting in October. In fact the sharp rise in hospitalizations and hospital outbreaks only occurred after the sharp spike in school cases.

retro:electro · 13-02-2021 01:03AM

At the end of the day Micheál gets to get up in the morning and go off on his day, home in the evening, undo the tie and tell his wife all about the working day. He has absolutely no idea what this is like for the average person one year on living with this. It’s like being a prisoner in your own life but the thing is you’ve committed no crime and your parole keeps getting pushed out further and further. Nobody up there making any of these decisions has any inkling what a toll this is taking on people. It’s unjust. Once you have any semblance of routine or any kind of normal structure to your day then you’re laughing. You can’t fathom what it’s like basically living the same day over and over for 6 months straight with possibly another 3 to go, with the added pressure of having to fix something you never started in order to have any kind of normality back. They’ll never get it

FintanMcluskey · 13-02-2021 01:07AM

retro:electro wrote: »

At the end of the day Micheál gets to get up in the morning and go off on his day, home in the evening, undo the tie and tell his wife all about the working day.

“You won’t believe this darling but some crowd from a thread on boards sent me over 2000 emails today. Fcuking peasants”

13-02-2021 01:14AM

ingo1984 wrote: »

The nphet/HSE data released in December after the second wave confirmed this. More cases were related to schools than any other setting in October. In fact the sharp rise in hospitalizations and hospital outbreaks only occurred after the sharp spike in school cases.

‘Seeding widespread community transmission.’ Is seeding a scientific word,? Only ever heard of seedlings.

dalyboy · 13-02-2021 01:37AM

gansi wrote: »

‘Seeding widespread community transmission.’ Is seeding a scientific word,? Only ever heard of seedlings.

Seeding and seedling are considered horticultural terms directed to plants at their infancy stage.

It seems ironic and worrying that NPHET use this word “seeding” connected to Irish citizen infections since we are all now essentially just house plants imprisoned in our homes.

13-02-2021 02:23AM

dalyboy wrote: »

Seeding and seedling are considered horticultural terms directed to plants at their infancy stage.

It seems ironic and worrying that NPHET use this word “seeding” connected to Irish citizen infections since we are all now essentially just house plants imprisoned in our homes.

Yes definitely related to horticulture but to human being??? Pure silly stuff.

fin12 · 13-02-2021 02:53AM

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40225298.html?fbclid=IwAR0QibAwtfzyJOXYjLf4U_lCkmEhoyFjmC05mpemZjUlcWKetBq2W9QL9e4

Articles like this need to start flooding the media.

JRant · 13-02-2021 09:25AM

Less than 100 cases a day for 4 weeks before opening up. Okay, it seems a completely unreasonable standard to set but at least it's a target.

Best way to achieve this is for all the hypochondriacs out there to stop getting tested. Test and trace doesn't work here so there's little to no point in pretending it makes any difference. Unless someone is actually sick, in which case they'll need medical support anyway, it makes no sense to keep testing otherwise healthy people. Especially when this metric is being used to strip our rights away. If you have symptoms, stay home until they pass. That's all people have to do and take away these "metrics" that can be twisted and used against the people of the country.

I'm still flabbergasted at the sheer volume of people still looking to get a test done and GP's have an awful lot to answer for here. They replaced sending people to A&E with sending them for a COVID test.

Boggles · 13-02-2021 09:32AM

Silentcorner wrote: »

The strong likelyhood, whatever the mutation or variant, is we will not see a surge like the last two until next winter....but we are pretending we could get one any day now.

One of those surges was in March/April.

Don't Chute! · 13-02-2021 09:44AM

retro:electro wrote: »

At the end of the day Micheál gets to get up in the morning and go off on his day, home in the evening, undo the tie and tell his wife all about the working day. He has absolutely no idea what this is like for the average person one year on living with this. It’s like being a prisoner in your own life but the thing is you’ve committed no crime and your parole keeps getting pushed out further and further. Nobody up there making any of these decisions has any inkling what a toll this is taking on people. It’s unjust. Once you have any semblance of routine or any kind of normal structure to your day then you’re laughing. You can’t fathom what it’s like basically living the same day over and over for 6 months straight with possibly another 3 to go, with the added pressure of having to fix something you never started in order to have any kind of normality back. They’ll never get it

Couldn’t agree more. I’m lucky enough to have been going to work everyday since this started so at least I get out of the house but my wife has been working from home and it’s just like ****ing Groundhog Day for her. The same **** all day every day. I’m quite a solitary person myself and am happy enough to be in my own company but even I am finding this tough now.

We have quite a few friends who are single and in their forties and I can’t even imagine how ****ing **** this is for them having no social contact at all and now not much hope of any anytime soon.

On the kids playing outside thing, our daughter has been playing every day with her little mate from around the corner either outside in her house or in our house and we’ve gone for walks with her family too. It’s the only thing keeping her sane at this stage. None of the rest of the kids in our estate have been seen since this level 5 started, none. I can only imagine the hysteria that is being instilled in these kids by their parents. It’s going to be a huge problem in the future.

Don't Chute! · 13-02-2021 09:47AM

fin12 wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40225298.html?fbclid=IwAR0QibAwtfzyJOXYjLf4U_lCkmEhoyFjmC05mpemZjUlcWKetBq2W9QL9e4

Articles like this need to start flooding the media.

Dear God almighty, this pandemic has done the impossible. Made me agree with Davy Fitzgerald. I need to sit down and think for a while.......

ypres5 · 13-02-2021 10:06AM

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Dear God almighty, this pandemic has done the impossible. Made me agree with Davy Fitzgerald. I need to sit down and think for a while.......

ive found myself agreeing with ryan tubridy and davy fitz in the space of a day imagine how i feel

Whiplash85 · 13-02-2021 10:14AM

ypres5 wrote: »

ive found myself agreeing with ryan tubridy and davy fitz in the space of a day imagine how i feel

What did Tubridy say?

Silentcorner · 13-02-2021 10:21AM

Boggles wrote: »

One of those surges was in March/April.

Correct, the tail end of the colder months and darker evenings...it might explain how the Dec/Jan surge was more ferocious than the Mar/April one.

We now have herd immunity level that we didn't have last year, but we are acting like we don't....if that CDC report that a poster linked to is true then we probably have 3 times the herd immunity that we seem to realize.

Either way, we will not see a surge until next winter most likely, but yet here we are talking about mutations and variants like the virus is in complete control over us...I've never witnessed such one dimensional thinking in my life, if it weren't so damaging, it would be hilarious!!

weldoninhio · 13-02-2021 10:27AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/news/taoiseach-now-unlikely-to-travel-to-washington-as-white-house-examines-virtual-st-patricks-day-meeting-40085139.html

Now we're forgoing one of the best economic and political opportunities Ireland gets on an annual basis. Thanks to the Left (Sinn Féin supporters) and others campaign for Martin not to 'travel' - the new dirty word.

Absolutely laughable. It’s a bowl of shamrock. Good to see Joe taking the global pandemic seriously though.

facehugger99 · 13-02-2021 10:28AM

Don't Chute! wrote: »

On the kids playing outside thing, our daughter has been playing every day with her little mate from around the corner either outside in her house or in our house and we’ve gone for walks with her family too. It’s the only thing keeping her sane at this stage. None of the rest of the kids in our estate have been seen since this level 5 started, none. I can only imagine the hysteria that is being instilled in these kids by their parents. It’s going to be a huge problem in the future.

It would be great if more people took this view.

My kids have been playing with cousins and friends regularly. We are lucky that the other parents have a relaxed view of the whole Covid thing.

There are a couple of kids in the estate that I have barely seen in the last year, One boy is around the same age as my lad and they would have regularly played with a group of other kids on the green before all this nonsense started. I've only seen him a couple of times outside with his mother in the last 12 months and she has him masked and visored up like he's entering a containment lab as she ushers him into the car.

The damage these hysteria-merchants are doing to their kids is frightening to witness.

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