Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

hamburgham

normanoffside wrote: »

I see the Gards are patrolling the train stations as well as the airports now.
This is way too much IMO


https://twitter.com/IrishRail/status/1360238983784124417

And inner city drug crime out of control. It is disgusting.

normanoffside

hamburgham wrote: »

And inner city drug crime out of control. It is disgusting.

Inner city drug crime is not important as long as they stay within their 5k zone

Hellrazer

normanoffside wrote: »

Inner city drug crime is not important as long as they stay within their 5k zone

Or you "click and collect"

normanoffside

Hellrazer wrote: »

Or you "click and collect"

Pharmacies are fully open in level 5. Just wear a mask when you enter.

pm1977x

facehugger99 wrote: »

...The Government and NPHET are using healthy people's test results to justify burning the economy to the ground.

What exactly is the endgame for them in this dastardly plan? What's in it for them to ''burn the economy to the ground''? Please enlighten us.

Gael23

I think people could be misreading the 100 cases a day.
Level 5 is costing €250 million per week and quite simply cannot be sustained until we get that low, we will be in 2008 economic territory if we try to do that.

Something must give as soon as NI open up and either way compliance will reduce drastically as vaccines are rolled out. I know for one I will be seeing my grandparents as soon as they get it

dalyboy

normanoffside wrote: »

Drew Harris told Tubs last night that they are policing by consent :rolleyes:

I doubt the €2000 fine foreign holidays is consensual.

CruelSummer

weldoninhio wrote: »

Absolutely laughable. It’s a bowl of shamrock. Good to see Joe taking the global pandemic seriously though.

Just shows your knowledge on the subject with a post such as the above. Thought it would be obvious that’s it’s a global, economic and political opportunity envied by the world. Joe Biden is heading to the G7 in June, will meet Boris there and others. No talk of it being cancelled.
No only the Irish could manage to shoot themselves in the foot with an Irish American President in the White House.

facehugger99

normanoffside wrote: »

I see the Gards are patrolling the train stations as well as the airports now.
This is way too much IMO


https://twitter.com/IrishRail/status/1360238983784124417

Every right-thinking Irish democrat should be extremely concerned with that picture.

JMNolan

pm1977x wrote: »

What exactly is the endgame for them in this dastardly plan? What's in it for them to ''burn the economy to the ground''? Please enlighten us.

Its not a plan, its cowardice by the government. NPHET are always going to recommend the most restrictions, it is not in their interest to say otherwise. As long as one person in europe has covid NPHET will recommend level 5 and the government will bend over.

facehugger99

hamburgham wrote: »

And inner city drug crime out of control. It is disgusting.

Drug crime is not being reported on with the same po-faced solemnity as case-numbers.

Covid 'cases' are the only metric by which politicians are being judged.

It's Alice through the looking glass stuff with a healthy dollop of 1984.

The country has degenerated to the point of mass-hysteria over a virus that is harmless to the vast, vast majority of the population.

JMNolan

JMNolan wrote: »

Its not a plan, its cowardice by the government. NPHET are always going to recommend the most restrictions, it is not in their interest to say otherwise. As long as one person in europe has covid NPHET will recommend level 5 and the government will bend over.

And, just to add to my comment, I actually place a lot of blame at the feet of the media. Any time the government deviated from Tonys recommendations the media slated them. Doom and gloom sells apparently so the media are very interested in keeping the level 5 restrictions in place. The more I think about it the more blame I put on RTE etc.

Hellrazer

facehugger99 wrote: »

The country has degenerated to the point of mass-hysteria over a virus that is harmless to the vast, vast majority of the population.

Jesus - don't be saying things like that about a virus that has an IFR of around 0.4% - you`ll be hammered for it within about 10 minutes / or 10 posts whichever comes first.

Multipass

Hellrazer wrote: »

Someone is going to write a sitcom about this down the road.

I’m thinking that if I have grandchildren they’re going to ask me about the Great Overreaction- and I’ll be apologising for my generation destroying the lives of theirs.

RobitTV

There are now legal challenges in Spain against the closure of bars and restaurants and the business owners have won some of the cases (Link)

Legal challenge has now been launched in Palma, Majorca over the lockdown measures. Business groups, unions, opposition parties, former tourism workers, travel companies are turning up the heat and the discontent is starting to grow significantly.

The slow rollout of the vaccine is adding fuel to the fire. There is now much anger about the situation.

RobitTV

Court in the Basque Country on Tuesday suspended a regional order shutting bars and restaurants in hard-hit areas, following an appeal by business associations.

This is what people coming together can achieve.

pm1977x

facehugger99 wrote: »

Every right-thinking Irish democrat should be extremely concerned with that picture.

Nope. The only reason they have to do crap like this is because of absolute selfish dopes bending/breaking/taking the pee out of simple guidelines, restrictions and laws. They tried the ''we'll trust you to do the right thing'' approach and look how (some) people responded.

JRant

CruelSummer wrote: »

Just shows your knowledge on the subject with a post such as the above. Thought it would be obvious that’s it’s a global, economic and political opportunity envied by the world. Joe Biden is heading to the G7 in June, will meet Boris there and others. No talk of it being cancelled.
No only the Irish could manage to shoot themselves in the foot with an Irish American President in the White House.

He'll still be there next year. MM is responsible for imposing the harshest restrictions on the rights of Irish people since the formation of the State. The very minimum he can do is stay here with the rest of us, particularly as he is so against foreign travel.

Anyway, if you think a meet and greet with Biden will do more than our very favourable tax incentives for American companies than I have a bridge for sale.

agoodpunt

as other eu countries and the Uk open the zero covid doomsters will become less relevent they have condemed the country to an economic waste land bastards all of them I am leave soon wont be back 4 a year will maintain business outside taxes are going to be onerous for years

JRant

pm1977x wrote: »

Nope. The only reason they have to do crap like this is because of absolute selfish dopes bending/breaking/taking the pee out of simple guidelines, restrictions and laws. They tried the ''we'll trust you to do the right thing'' approach and look how (some) people responded.

Maybe the majority of people doing it have looked at the risk involved and decided it was minimal and worth doing. The fact such measures are now needed should tell you everything you need about the general feeling of a lot of ordinary citizens.

walus

This whole failure of the strategy of dealing with cv-19 stems from the psychology of misjudgement. It is just so much safer to be wrong in the group than to be wrong on their own. Taking a different approach means enduring the stress and pressure until proven to be right and that can take a long time before that happens. If they are right they get a pat on the back (small gain), but if they are wrong, they get blamed by everybody around (huge loss).

This means that they prefer to be wrong in a group than right by themselves, because if they are wrong and everybody is wrong too, they get less blame. That way they protect themselves from negative consequences of their decisions, when the positive consequences are just not attractive enough to take the risk and go against the conventional approach. It is a simple principle of hedging themselves against negative possibilities. Nphet are doing the same.

“Madness is a rare thing in individuals but in groups, parties, peoples, and ages it is a rule.”

Right now I don’t see any reasons why the government would want to change their approach. This madness will continue as there are no incentives attractive enough that would make them change the current policy.

Edit: Forget the flattening the curve, protecting the elderly and vulnerable. This strategy is optimised to protect the government first and foremost. After all they are humans and their first thought is always about protecting themselves. Risk aversion is a powerful thing.

RobitTV

Sky News: People visit a nightclub following the loosening of COVID-19 restrictions in Russia

FintanMcluskey

RobitTV wrote: »

Sky News: People visit a nightclub following the loosening of COVID-19 restrictions in Russia

Jeasus, some of those lads in the pic are in a different universe, whatever they took!

JRant

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Jeasus, some of those lads in the pic are in a different universe, whatever they took!

High on Life Fintan, high on life

Boggles

walus wrote: »

This whole failure of the strategy of dealing with cv-19 stems from the psychology of misjudgement. It is just so much safer to be wrong in the group than to be wrong on their own. Taking a different approach means enduring the stress and pressure until proven to be right and that can take a long time before that happens. If they are right they get a pat on the back (small gain), but if they are wrong, they get blamed by everybody around (huge loss).

Really?

I think the likes of Jacinda Ardern will go down as not only one of New Zealand's greatest ever leaders but will be renowned for years to come as the leader who filled stadiums during a once in a generation pandemic.

But you are right, heavy is the crown, a burden not carried by anonymous internet users who have decided that they will judge how best to navigate the pandemic on their feelings and not science.

It's why you get commentary like 'we will be in level 5 until the virus is eradicated in Europe'.

I don't see what is gained from it, maybe it's fun, much like taking a load of acid and playing pacman, but similar to that utterly pointless.

DaSilva

pm1977x wrote: »

What exactly is the endgame for them in this dastardly plan? What's in it for them to ''burn the economy to the ground''? Please enlighten us.

Let's be real here. If they were "soft" on covid they are guaranteed to lose their seats at next election. Unfortunately the public will burn politicians for countries covid performance whether they are really responsible or even capable of influencing the numbers. The political reality is that they must appear "tough" on covid. So yeah they actually are prepared to "burn the economy to the ground" if they look virtuous for having done so

FintanMcluskey

Boggles wrote: »

Really?

I think the likes of Jacinda Ardern will go down as not only one of New Zealand's greatest ever leaders and will be renowned for years to come as the leader who filled stadiums during a once in a generation pandemic.

I’d wait a while before canonising her. NZ is a unique demographic.

On 2fm the presenter was saying how the Australian open was brilliant to see fans in the ground, life back to normal, zero covid etc etc

She forgot to mention the fans were hurried out of the ground before the match ended as another single case caused Melbourne to hit the sirens again.

thebaz

The Indo headlining with more never-ending Fear - 35 cases out of a 1,000 daily cases linked to shopping - yet the media over terrifying a nation
:-
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/doctors-blame-virus-outbreaks-on-shoppers-complacency-40086220.html

walus

Boggles wrote: »

Really?

I think the likes of Jacinda Ardern will go down as not only one of New Zealand's greatest ever leaders but will be renowned for years to come as the leader who filled stadiums during a once in a generation pandemic.

But you are right, heavy is the crown, a burden not carried by anonymous internet users who have decided that they will judge how best to navigate the pandemic on their feelings and not science.

It's why you get commentary like 'we will be in level 5 until the virus is eradicated in Europe'.

I don't see what is gained from it, maybe it's fun, much like taking a load of acid and playing pacman, but similar to that utterly pointless.

The NZ case only proves that this strategy works sometimes. It worked for them, but for most of the world it did not. It may have just so be that luck and external circumstances played a much more detrimental role in their success than the prime minister. The fact that this strategy worked is certainly not a proof that she is a great leader.

Edit: I don’t think she is in anyway superior leader to their counterparts across the globe. She was lucky to have favourable circumstances helping her achieve favourable outcome.

Boggles

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I’d wait a while before canonising her. NZ is a unique demographic.

On 2fm the presenter was saying how the Australian open was brilliant to see fans in the ground, life back to normal, zero covid etc etc

She forgot to mention the fans were hurried out of the ground before the match ended as another single case caused Melbourne to hit the sirens again.

I fail to see what the leader of NZ has got to do with Melbourne.

But I am not surprised you'd try put a negative on what is a remarkable achievement.

The misery is perpetual.