Second Captains Part II

healy1835 · 08-02-2021 3:52pm

MercuryBoy wrote: »

So any podcast that discusses sporting events is journalism?

You seem to have a very narrow concept of what journalism entails.

Cienciano · 08-02-2021 4:30pm

It's obviously sports journalism, it's pretty much the dictionary definition of sports journalism.

duffman13 · 08-02-2021 4:41pm

Jaysis, love the show, fully looking forward to a good pod after the weekend of football. 13 minutes, im a world service member but disappointed in the resumption of two Monday pods with that effort. Might aswell not have bothered to be honest

Lucas Hood · 08-02-2021 4:42pm

They said there will be a full football tomorrow.

duffman13 · 08-02-2021 5:02pm

Lucas Hood wrote: »

They said there will be a full football tomorrow.

No issue with that, just them saying on Thursday or Friday there was two pods on Monday while true, is a bit disingenuous when the total of the two pods was similar in length to the one they have been doing on a Monday.

EltonJohn69 · 08-02-2021 5:14pm

duffman13 wrote: »

No issue with that, just them saying on Thursday or Friday there was two pods on Monday while true, is a bit disingenuous when the total of the two pods was similar in length to the one they have been doing on a Monday.

It does seem strange... another 15-20 minutes chatting over zoom and you got a decent podcast.... are they trying to get give Monday people a small taste of the football to get them to subscribe to the patreon ???

jaykay74 · 08-02-2021 5:15pm

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

It does seem strange... another 15-20 minutes chatting over zoom and you got a decent podcast.... are they trying to get give Monday people a small taste of the football to get them to subscribe to the patreon ???

Maybe both will continue but football will go behind the paywall after a bit. Otherwise hard to see why split it in 2 today given the overall length of them.

08-02-2021 5:19pm

Soccer is easily the most popular thing they do so it makes sense to only give a brief taster today and put the rest behind the fee.

Beersmith · 08-02-2021 5:21pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Soccer is easily the most popular thing they do so it makes sense to only give a brief taster today and put the rest behind the fee.

Makes more sense just to give it to the WS members on Monday!

08-02-2021 5:24pm

Beersmith wrote: »

Makes more sense just to give it to the WS members on Monday!

Create more WS members to listen on Tuesday.

siblers · 08-02-2021 6:11pm

Guess I'll need to sign up to the WS

Beersmith · 08-02-2021 6:26pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Create more WS members to listen on Tuesday.

but why wait until Tuesday to do that! they could release a taster/teaser whatever on a Monday and still have a subscriber only football pod on Monday. I just don't see the reason why they need to wait until Tuesday.

Football is the most popular segment and Monday discussion about the weekend action makes the most sense.

They are risking losing more WS members than gaining them with this silliness IMO

08-02-2021 6:28pm

Beersmith wrote: »

but why wait until Tuesday to do that! they could release a taster/teaser whatever on a Monday and still have a subscriber only football pod on Monday. I just don't see the reason why they need to wait until Tuesday.

Football is the most popular segment and Monday discussion about the weekend action makes the most sense.

They are risking losing more WS members than gaining them with this silliness IMO

Need to fill the week too though, and there was the six nations.

Beersmith · 08-02-2021 6:37pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Need to fill the week too though, and there was the six nations.

They have total freedom, they can release 50 pods on Monday and 0 for the rest of the week if they want. They can cover 6 nations on Tuesday either!

Say Your Number · 08-02-2021 6:38pm

They spend 2-3 hours talking about the Premier League a week, does any specialist soccer pod spend that long on it, I doubt too many would un-sub because they have the gall to talk about something else on a Monday, have to say this thread has me scratching my head sometimes.

al87987 · 08-02-2021 6:43pm

Certainly lots of moaning in here.

Not a mention of the two new superb audiobeds (great to have Mark back full time).

Seems like the Monday football podcast will be the lads discussing the weekend and Tuesday they will have on a couple of guests to review it. Not a bad way to do it at all.

lawred2 · 08-02-2021 7:38pm

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

It does seem strange... another 15-20 minutes chatting over zoom and you got a decent podcast.... are they trying to get give Monday people a small taste of the football to get them to subscribe to the patreon ???

What's the issue?

The Monday listeners don't pay the bills

EltonJohn69 · 08-02-2021 9:19pm

lawred2 wrote: »

What's the issue?

The Monday listeners don't pay the bills

By Tuesday it’s 4 days after some of the weekend action. Seems unnecessary that in order to facility a marketing strategy they make their soccer coverage stale. Monday needs a soccer show. Put it behind a pay way wall and the give the non subscribers a 13 minute taste.

Xavi6 · 09-02-2021 1:58am

I gave the rugby a chance as I've complained a lot about it in the past but enjoy listening to the lads chat about most things. Still dull as dishwater with Horgan doing everything he could to make excuses for 'Peter' (first name basis is always a sign of what's to come). That's where the football and rugby coverage is night and day - the rugby contributors are relatively recently retired players who are still mates with the current crop and don't want to burn personal bridges. That will never work well, whereas the football journos have no personal connections really so they can go in two footed.

I'm not saying it should be wall-to-wall bashing but the O'Mahony incident was braindead and cost the team badly so it should be treated that way imo.

redbuck · 09-02-2021 7:45am

Xavi6 wrote: »

I gave the rugby a chance as I've complained a lot about it in the past but enjoy listening to the lads chat about most things. Still dull as dishwater with Horgan doing everything he could to make excuses for 'Peter' (first name basis is always a sign of what's to come). That's where the football and rugby coverage is night and day - the rugby contributors are relatively recently retired players who are still mates with the current crop and don't want to burn personal bridges. That will never work well, whereas the football journos have no personal connections really so they can go in two footed.

I'm not saying it should be wall-to-wall bashing but the O'Mahony incident was braindead and cost the team badly so it should be treated that way imo.

I thought last week's rugby show was good when it was just Simon on his own and they had the Welsh journo on. However it was back to the charisma black hole when the old pros came back yesterday.

dulpit · 09-02-2021 8:15am

redbuck wrote: »

I thought last week's rugby show was good when it was just Simon on his own and they had the Welsh journo on. However it was back to the charisma black hole when the old pros came back yesterday.

Meant to post at weekend, Fridays rugby coverage was infinitely better. I think having former players who have played with some of the team is hurting the coverage.

Also, for the people giving out about soccerball coverage, the super bowl was Sunday, the biggest game in American football and we have to wait until Tuesday (or later) to get coverage? I am outraged (or something).

Ol' Donie · 09-02-2021 11:26am

al87987 wrote: »

Certainly lots of moaning in here.

Not a mention of the two new superb audiobeds (great to have Mark back full time).

Seems like the Monday football podcast will be the lads discussing the weekend and Tuesday they will have on a couple of guests to review it. Not a bad way to do it at all.

I've no problem at all with little short podcasts to talk about a single match or whatever. In fact I think it's a deadly idea, the lads just doing a quick post match chat. No need to prepare anything or get guests or that.

dr.kenneth noisewater · 09-02-2021 11:38am

Cienciano wrote: »

Kinahan thing might be a bit close to home for comfort. Bbc journalists had their lives threatened. At least they don't live in Dublin and have the BBC behind them. Murph lives in Inchicore and gets the luas. I reckon you could walk around the clonliffe road for an hour and spot ken.

I'd like to hear them cover it, but wouldn't blame them in the slightest if they avoid it.

Agreed, probably not worth the potential hassle for them. Theres very few journalists speaking about it anyways, Kieran Cunningham and Nicola Tallent seem to be popping up everywhere to discuss it but very few others. Nobody from within boxing willing to speak up on it either besides McGuigan. They probably think if they cant bring a fresh voice or perspective to the discussion then they'll just be rehashing whats been said elsewhere.

lawred2 · 09-02-2021 1:57pm

Say Your Number wrote: »

They spend 2-3 hours talking about the Premier League a week, does any specialist soccer pod spend that long on it, I doubt too many would un-sub because they have the gall to talk about something else on a Monday, have to say this thread has me scratching my head sometimes.

it used to be just one or two regulars with the old moan - seems to be more and more recently...

strange thread of late alright

Beersmith · 09-02-2021 2:16pm

lawred2 wrote: »

it used to be just one or two regulars with the old moan - seems to be more and more recently...

strange thread of late alright

almost as if most people are stuck at home in a pandemic and their entertainment options are limited.

Did you smash it · 09-02-2021 2:19pm

Yeah, very odd to see people not universally positive about something on Boards.ie alright. What’s happening to the world..

lawred2 · 09-02-2021 2:42pm

It's almost like you've no choice

Did you smash it · 09-02-2021 3:28pm

lawred2 wrote: »

It's almost like you've no choice

That’s the world of online discussion forums innit?

Some you’ll agree, some you won’t, some you can’t understand why they moan about something they themselves pay for.

That’s life.

humberklog · 09-02-2021 4:28pm

I was expecting Melissa Reddy to appear on the show like the video that did the rounds a few years ago of a young man in distress at how Britney Spears was being treated by the media and public..."leave him aloooone!". But no, she's over her crush and is willing somewhat to except that Klopp has some flaws after all. Don't we all.
She'll need to re-visit her book.

sigmundv · 09-02-2021 5:07pm

Just started listening to Monday's episode and it sounds like Murph does the classic punditry thing of doubling down when faced with a possible embarrassment. Hopefully Scotland end in the top half now!

Smell the glove · 09-02-2021 6:46pm

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

Nobody from within boxing willing to speak up on it either besides McGuigan..

Bunce & Costello did a pod on it last year and again talked about it on this week's pod.

Smell the glove · 09-02-2021 6:48pm

humberklog wrote: »

I was expecting Melissa Reddy to appear on the show like the video that did the rounds a few years ago of a young man in distress at how Britney Spears was being treated by the media and public..."leave him aloooone!". But no, she's over her crush and is willing somewhat to except that Klopp has some flaws after all. Don't we all.
She'll need to re-visit her book.

Hopefully she never gets asked back on. Possibly the most annoying voice you'll ever hear. Her and Miguel into the bin please.

thenightman · 09-02-2021 7:51pm

Yeah they had a lad on who talked in detail last year after Fury initially name checked Kinahan in the video announcing the fight with Joshua. Not much new happenings since then, other than the BBC doing a doc explaining what most Irish people were already familiar with anyway.

I also find waiting til Tuesday for a soccer pod bizarre too, Fri & Sat matches seem like an age ago by then. Hopefully it'll be a failed experiment & normal service will resume.

atilladehun · 09-02-2021 7:59pm

humberklog wrote: »

I was expecting Melissa Reddy to appear on the show like the video that did the rounds a few years ago of a young man in distress at how Britney Spears was being treated by the media and public..."leave him aloooone!". But no, she's over her crush and is willing somewhat to except that Klopp has some flaws after all. Don't we all.
She'll need to re-visit her book.

Yeah I thought she was good. Considering she obviously has some sort of contact with the club it's not beyond reason that her guesses may have some sort of basis in truth.

D.Q · 09-02-2021 11:09pm

She is really awful haha

Utopia Parkway · 09-02-2021 11:39pm

sigmundv wrote: »

Just started listening to Monday's episode and it sounds like Murph does the classic punditry thing of doubling down when faced with a possible embarrassment. Hopefully Scotland end in the top half now!

Dun' back doon. Double doon.

Xavi6 · 10-02-2021 2:06am

Smell the glove wrote: »

Hopefully she never gets asked back on. Possibly the most annoying voice you'll ever hear. Her and Miguel into the bin please.

Nails on a chalkboard, I'd rather the rugger chat.

Amirani · 10-02-2021 2:37pm

thenightman wrote: »

I also find waiting til Tuesday for a soccer pod bizarre too, Fri & Sat matches seem like an age ago by then. Hopefully it'll be a failed experiment & normal service will resume.

Particularly when many people will be listening after the midweek fixtures have already started (in this case FA Cup).

Arghus · 10-02-2021 3:04pm

I thought she wasn't bad yesterday to be honest. The first time they had her on was ridiculous, pure hagiography for Klopp, but I thought her contribution yesterday was fair enough.

DukeCaboom · 10-02-2021 3:45pm

See klopps mother died yesterday. Suppose you never know what's going on in a person's life.

kippy · 10-02-2021 5:47pm

DukeCaboom wrote: »

See klopps mother died yesterday. Suppose you never know what's going on in a person's life.

You never know whats going on in a persons life is a commandment/piece of advice that everyone should go back to when judging/dealing with someone.
Incredibly tough not to have been with her in her final weeks and not to be allowed travel to the funeral, as many less famous people can atest to.

Arghus · 10-02-2021 5:56pm

Kind of shows you the limits of narritivising the deeper reasons behind managers quotes to the media, when you often can have no real idea what's truly going on.

kippy · 10-02-2021 6:01pm

Arghus wrote: »

Kind of shows you the limits of narritivising the deeper reasons behind managers quotes to the media, when you often can have no real idea what's truly going on.

Same with a lot of analysis of anything, how well does anyone know how a person thinks or what distractions they have in their life really - all of these things and more have a massive impact on what a person says and does.

den87 · 10-02-2021 9:06pm

Ken laughing at Murph thinking there wouldn’t be another Ciaran and Frances Murphy in Ireland was fecking gas!

Utopia Parkway · 10-02-2021 11:47pm

DukeCaboom wrote: »

See klopps mother died yesterday. Suppose you never know what's going on in a person's life.

She died on January 19 apparently so been dealing with it for a few weeks now. News only came out today. Must be extremely tough not being able to go back home.

srfc d16 · 11-02-2021 11:36am

Smell the glove wrote: »

Bunce & Costello did a pod on it last year and again talked about it on this week's pod.

Was it any good? I used to listen to that pod weekly but had to give up on it because they would always dance around any accusations like that.
Bunce loves being beside people with dodgy backgrounds. He couldn't sing the praises of Saudi high enough when the Joshua Ruiz fight was there.

I couldn't take them seriously when they refused to accept any criticism for going to Saudi because in the past people went to the rumble in the jungle and the thrilla in Manilla. They couldn't see any issue in it at all despite the fact that they obviously know all three events were held in countries where terrible things were happening to the people living there. They are complicit in the sports washing and BBC should have higher standards than that. They are meant to be a public service broadcaster not a for profit organisation like sky/bt/hbo etc.

EltonJohn69 · 11-02-2021 11:41am

The Kinihan story is everywhere now, a lot of developments . It will be one of the big stories in sports journalism this year.

kippy · 11-02-2021 4:41pm

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

The Kinihan story is everywhere now, a lot of developments . It will be one of the big stories in sports journalism this year.

I think the key point is, the fans (generally) don't really care about the morality or otherwise of the people involved in at the "back end" of sport - even if the media draw attention to it.

The failing here surely is not that the fans don't care enough about this, but that people like this who are alegedly tied up in criminal and questionable enterprises aren't behind bars in the first place.

This one is a difficult topic for Journos to go after as it's a thankless game and can even lead to major issues for them.

Smell the glove · 12-02-2021 8:00am

srfc d16 wrote: »

Was it any good? I used to listen to that pod weekly but had to give up on it because they would always dance around any accusations like that.
Bunce loves being beside people with dodgy backgrounds. He couldn't sing the praises of Saudi high enough when the Joshua Ruiz fight was there.

I couldn't take them seriously when they refused to accept any criticism for going to Saudi because in the past people went to the rumble in the jungle and the thrilla in Manilla. They couldn't see any issue in it at all despite the fact that they obviously know all three events were held in countries where terrible things were happening to the people living there. They are complicit in the sports washing and BBC should have higher standards than that. They are meant to be a public service broadcaster not a for profit organisation like sky/bt/hbo etc.

To be fair they aren't easy on him. Especially since they had the rte reporter on telling it like it is before.

kilns · 12-02-2021 8:53am

den87 wrote: »

Ken laughing at Murph thinking there wouldn’t be another Ciaran and Frances Murphy in Ireland was fecking gas!

Is it me or is Murph being extra annoying in the past few podcasts, butting in with irrelevant points.

It is annoying they try to show horn in some topics of conversation which arent even funny to keep him relevant on the show

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