Second Captains Part II

elefant

MercuryBoy wrote: »

I just don't find 3 lads chatting about Lampard / Mourinho / GAA / Rugby tactics etc to meet any standard definition of journalism, and I'm a fan of the podcast!

On the Football Weekly podcast they sometimes have David Conn on, he does investigations about Hillsborough, dodgy club owners etc...and they joke about how he is a "proper journalist".....I've never heard Second Captains get into anything like that...

I think a podcast reporting on and discussing sporting events quite clearly meets a standard definition of journalism.

MercuryBoy

elefant wrote: »

I think a podcast reporting on and discussing sporting events quite clearly meets a standard definition of journalism.

So any podcast that discusses sporting events is journalism?

healy1835

MercuryBoy wrote: »

So any podcast that discusses sporting events is journalism?

You seem to have a very narrow concept of what journalism entails.

Cienciano

It's obviously sports journalism, it's pretty much the dictionary definition of sports journalism.

duffman13

Jaysis, love the show, fully looking forward to a good pod after the weekend of football. 13 minutes, im a world service member but disappointed in the resumption of two Monday pods with that effort. Might aswell not have bothered to be honest

Lucas Hood

They said there will be a full football tomorrow.

duffman13

Lucas Hood wrote: »

They said there will be a full football tomorrow.

No issue with that, just them saying on Thursday or Friday there was two pods on Monday while true, is a bit disingenuous when the total of the two pods was similar in length to the one they have been doing on a Monday.

EltonJohn69

duffman13 wrote: »

No issue with that, just them saying on Thursday or Friday there was two pods on Monday while true, is a bit disingenuous when the total of the two pods was similar in length to the one they have been doing on a Monday.

It does seem strange... another 15-20 minutes chatting over zoom and you got a decent podcast.... are they trying to get give Monday people a small taste of the football to get them to subscribe to the patreon ???

jaykay74

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

It does seem strange... another 15-20 minutes chatting over zoom and you got a decent podcast.... are they trying to get give Monday people a small taste of the football to get them to subscribe to the patreon ???

Maybe both will continue but football will go behind the paywall after a bit. Otherwise hard to see why split it in 2 today given the overall length of them.

Soccer is easily the most popular thing they do so it makes sense to only give a brief taster today and put the rest behind the fee.

Beersmith

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Soccer is easily the most popular thing they do so it makes sense to only give a brief taster today and put the rest behind the fee.

Makes more sense just to give it to the WS members on Monday!

Beersmith

Beersmith wrote: »

Makes more sense just to give it to the WS members on Monday!

Create more WS members to listen on Tuesday.

siblers

Guess I'll need to sign up to the WS

Beersmith

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Create more WS members to listen on Tuesday.

but why wait until Tuesday to do that! they could release a taster/teaser whatever on a Monday and still have a subscriber only football pod on Monday. I just don't see the reason why they need to wait until Tuesday.

Football is the most popular segment and Monday discussion about the weekend action makes the most sense.

They are risking losing more WS members than gaining them with this silliness IMO

Beersmith

Beersmith wrote: »

but why wait until Tuesday to do that! they could release a taster/teaser whatever on a Monday and still have a subscriber only football pod on Monday. I just don't see the reason why they need to wait until Tuesday.

Football is the most popular segment and Monday discussion about the weekend action makes the most sense.

They are risking losing more WS members than gaining them with this silliness IMO

Need to fill the week too though, and there was the six nations.

Beersmith

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Need to fill the week too though, and there was the six nations.

They have total freedom, they can release 50 pods on Monday and 0 for the rest of the week if they want. They can cover 6 nations on Tuesday either!

Say Your Number

They spend 2-3 hours talking about the Premier League a week, does any specialist soccer pod spend that long on it, I doubt too many would un-sub because they have the gall to talk about something else on a Monday, have to say this thread has me scratching my head sometimes.

al87987

Certainly lots of moaning in here.

Not a mention of the two new superb audiobeds (great to have Mark back full time).

Seems like the Monday football podcast will be the lads discussing the weekend and Tuesday they will have on a couple of guests to review it. Not a bad way to do it at all.

lawred2

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

It does seem strange... another 15-20 minutes chatting over zoom and you got a decent podcast.... are they trying to get give Monday people a small taste of the football to get them to subscribe to the patreon ???

What's the issue?

The Monday listeners don't pay the bills

EltonJohn69

lawred2 wrote: »

What's the issue?

The Monday listeners don't pay the bills

By Tuesday it’s 4 days after some of the weekend action. Seems unnecessary that in order to facility a marketing strategy they make their soccer coverage stale. Monday needs a soccer show. Put it behind a pay way wall and the give the non subscribers a 13 minute taste.

Xavi6

I gave the rugby a chance as I've complained a lot about it in the past but enjoy listening to the lads chat about most things. Still dull as dishwater with Horgan doing everything he could to make excuses for 'Peter' (first name basis is always a sign of what's to come). That's where the football and rugby coverage is night and day - the rugby contributors are relatively recently retired players who are still mates with the current crop and don't want to burn personal bridges. That will never work well, whereas the football journos have no personal connections really so they can go in two footed.

I'm not saying it should be wall-to-wall bashing but the O'Mahony incident was braindead and cost the team badly so it should be treated that way imo.

redbuck

Xavi6 wrote: »

I gave the rugby a chance as I've complained a lot about it in the past but enjoy listening to the lads chat about most things. Still dull as dishwater with Horgan doing everything he could to make excuses for 'Peter' (first name basis is always a sign of what's to come). That's where the football and rugby coverage is night and day - the rugby contributors are relatively recently retired players who are still mates with the current crop and don't want to burn personal bridges. That will never work well, whereas the football journos have no personal connections really so they can go in two footed.

I'm not saying it should be wall-to-wall bashing but the O'Mahony incident was braindead and cost the team badly so it should be treated that way imo.

I thought last week's rugby show was good when it was just Simon on his own and they had the Welsh journo on. However it was back to the charisma black hole when the old pros came back yesterday.

dulpit

redbuck wrote: »

I thought last week's rugby show was good when it was just Simon on his own and they had the Welsh journo on. However it was back to the charisma black hole when the old pros came back yesterday.

Meant to post at weekend, Fridays rugby coverage was infinitely better. I think having former players who have played with some of the team is hurting the coverage.

Also, for the people giving out about soccerball coverage, the super bowl was Sunday, the biggest game in American football and we have to wait until Tuesday (or later) to get coverage? I am outraged (or something).

Ol' Donie

al87987 wrote: »

Certainly lots of moaning in here.

Not a mention of the two new superb audiobeds (great to have Mark back full time).

Seems like the Monday football podcast will be the lads discussing the weekend and Tuesday they will have on a couple of guests to review it. Not a bad way to do it at all.

I've no problem at all with little short podcasts to talk about a single match or whatever. In fact I think it's a deadly idea, the lads just doing a quick post match chat. No need to prepare anything or get guests or that.

dr.kenneth noisewater

Cienciano wrote: »

Kinahan thing might be a bit close to home for comfort. Bbc journalists had their lives threatened. At least they don't live in Dublin and have the BBC behind them. Murph lives in Inchicore and gets the luas. I reckon you could walk around the clonliffe road for an hour and spot ken.

I'd like to hear them cover it, but wouldn't blame them in the slightest if they avoid it.

Agreed, probably not worth the potential hassle for them. Theres very few journalists speaking about it anyways, Kieran Cunningham and Nicola Tallent seem to be popping up everywhere to discuss it but very few others. Nobody from within boxing willing to speak up on it either besides McGuigan. They probably think if they cant bring a fresh voice or perspective to the discussion then they'll just be rehashing whats been said elsewhere.

lawred2

Say Your Number wrote: »

They spend 2-3 hours talking about the Premier League a week, does any specialist soccer pod spend that long on it, I doubt too many would un-sub because they have the gall to talk about something else on a Monday, have to say this thread has me scratching my head sometimes.

it used to be just one or two regulars with the old moan - seems to be more and more recently...

strange thread of late alright

Beersmith

lawred2 wrote: »

it used to be just one or two regulars with the old moan - seems to be more and more recently...

strange thread of late alright

almost as if most people are stuck at home in a pandemic and their entertainment options are limited.

Did you smash it

Yeah, very odd to see people not universally positive about something on Boards.ie alright. What’s happening to the world..

lawred2

It's almost like you've no choice

Did you smash it

lawred2 wrote: »

It's almost like you've no choice

That’s the world of online discussion forums innit?

Some you’ll agree, some you won’t, some you can’t understand why they moan about something they themselves pay for.

That’s life.