Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01

am_zarathustra · 08-02-2021 09:28PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Country to watch is Israel and what they are doing seeing as they are so far down the vaccination route.

Interesting they are staying shut, but they are in the 60s now so why not just keep them shut a few weeks more and wait for herd immunity when your that close. I see their point. We aren't there numbers wise and won't be til after the summer so I guess we are working with different variables.

Britain stayed closed too, but again they are running over 20 now so they could be relatively protects by the summer.

Slow roleout here will mean we have to make different choice I think, it's hard to know without better genomics data from the new varients too

BTownB · 08-02-2021 09:34PM

am_zarathustra wrote: »

Numbers starting to look more manageable, I really hope we are back shortly after midterm. I'd be worried about the number of other countries closing schools and seemingly keeping them closed.

What countries are these? Lots of countries are easing restrictions across Europe at the moment.

combat14 · 08-02-2021 09:39PM

looks like all kids be back in school by 22 feb after mid term break .. numbers under a 1000 again all systems go for full reopening in 2 weeks?

am_zarathustra · 08-02-2021 09:44PM

BTownB wrote: »

What countries are these? Lots of countries are easing restrictions across Europe at the moment.

I'm talking about Germany, the Netherlands, Denmark, Northern Italy, Greece, the UK, Austria, which ones are you talking about?

Hopefully we will be opened soon after midterm but no point lying about the risks involved, that doesn't serve the kids or the community at large

khalessi · 08-02-2021 09:44PM

combat14 wrote: »

looks like all kids be back in school by 22 feb after mid term break .. numbers under a 1000 again all systems go for full reopening in 2 weeks?

Schools wont be back by 22nd Feb looking at March at the earliest

Icyseanfitz · 08-02-2021 09:54PM

combat14 wrote: »

looks like all kids be back in school by 22 feb after mid term break .. numbers under a 1000 again all systems go for full reopening in 2 weeks?

Massive difference between numbers before Christmas and after with these new variants, 500 pre Christmas is different than 500 now. I mean just look at the positivity rate in creches currently.

Crocodile Booze · 08-02-2021 09:56PM

Neagra wrote: »

the numbers are very low and have been for last week.

whats going to happen if schools dont open soon is the vast majority of parents are going to turn on their teachers -
i know nobody with school age children who agrees with the schools being closed

No we parents are not going to "turn on" the teachers. (Not in the way you think anyway, I am very sexxy though).

Furthermore, intelligent folks know why the schools are closed and they will reopen when things are right.

Crap post overall. 2/10.

km79 · 08-02-2021 09:57PM

combat14 wrote: »

looks like all kids be back in school by 22 feb after mid term break .. numbers under a 1000 again all systems go for full reopening in 2 weeks?

You keep asking the same question/making the same statement and getting the same responses as nothing has really changed since the last time you said it ?
It’s not all about case numbers

Early to mid March

jusvi2001 · 08-02-2021 09:57PM

am_zarathustra wrote: »

Literally every college educated friend I have, who isn't in the medical or research field, is working from home. Every single one of them......data analyst, marketing execs, insurance, accountants, HR etc

are you comparing a teaching job with banking and insurance professionals. pandemic or not they just need a computer and phone to do their job. Teachers need to teach in class room and deal with kids in a real world. if you want to compare then compare with doctors, nurses, other healthcare staff, garda, supermarket staff, cleaners and drivers etc. what if all those health care staff, supermarket staff, drivers, cleaners stop working saying that they are at risk. employees of every sector which is not considered as safe to open are on pup. my kids have their homework for a week already on their app. they have to do it and i have to check or teach them after my work. now don't tell me teachers are doing longer hours working from home. If teachers feel its not safe to teach in school let them take pup and stay at home . there are plenty of apps or resources for online learning. you just don't need some one to post whole weeks homework on monday morning.

penny piper · 08-02-2021 10:11PM

jusvi2001 wrote: »

are you comparing a teaching job with banking and insurance professionals. pandemic or not they just need a computer and phone to do their job. Teachers need to teach in class room and deal with kids in a real world. if you want to compare then compare with doctors, nurses, other healthcare staff, garda, supermarket staff, cleaners and drivers etc. what if all those health care staff, supermarket staff, drivers, cleaners stop working saying that they are at risk. employees of every sector which is not considered as safe to open are on pup. my kids have their homework for a week already on their app. they have to do it and i have to check or teach them after my work. now don't tell me teachers are doing longer hours working from home. If teachers feel its not safe to teach in school let them take pup and stay at home . there are plenty of apps or resources for online learning. you just don't need some one to post whole weeks homework on monday morning.

Don't see what you are complaining about if your child has a whole weeks homework given on a monday morning.......IT'S a Whole week...stop complaining....
I actually feel so sorry for Teachers...and as a mother of two teachers who I might add don't do what you have suggested ...I find you most insulting.....If you aren't satisfied with your children's education and can find better resources online homeschool them yourself....or complain to your children's school.

am_zarathustra · 08-02-2021 10:20PM

jusvi2001 wrote: »

are you comparing a teaching job with banking and insurance professionals. pandemic or not they just need a computer and phone to do their job. Teachers need to teach in class room and deal with kids in a real world. if you want to compare then compare with doctors, nurses, other healthcare staff, garda, supermarket staff, cleaners and drivers etc. what if all those health care staff, supermarket staff, drivers, cleaners stop working saying that they are at risk. employees of every sector which is not considered as safe to open are on pup. my kids have their homework for a week already on their app. they have to do it and i have to check or teach them after my work. now don't tell me teachers are doing longer hours working from home. If teachers feel its not safe to teach in school let them take pup and stay at home . there are plenty of apps or resources for online learning. you just don't need some one to post whole weeks homework on monday morning.

What you said was

Originally Posted by jusvi2001 View Post
"Every other sector is working hard and taking risk to keep this country running with exception to teachers who feels they are at huge risk if the schools are open. Regarding payment and holidays ...there are not many who earn full salary & holidays and get to stay at home. so consider yourself lucky."

I was pointing out that most of my peers are in fact at home earning their full salary, some having wine delivery for virtual tasting with work, with money to set up offices and all sorts. I was responding to your claim. Not every other sector is taking risks, lots of sectors like insurance, banking, IT are also at home. Working from home, like I am.

This whole game is about minimising risk so we avoid excess death before we can hit herd immunity. ER docs need to be at work, many GPs and consultants are doing consultations over video to minimize risk as was suggested by their professional organisations. When I'm told it's the best for the students and the community for me to go back I'll be there like a flash, remote teaching is time consuming and draining, the kids are struggling and I miss them. But it's not my call

So to be clear, I'd like to go back, but your argument is just spurious

jusvi2001 · 08-02-2021 10:21PM

penny piper wrote: »

Don't see what you are complaining about if your child has a whole weeks homework given on a monday morning.......IT'S a Whole week...stop complaining....
I actually feel so sorry for Teachers...and as a mother of two teachers who I might add don't do what you have suggested ...I find you most insulting.....If you aren't satisfied with your children's education and can find better resources online homeschool them yourself....or complain to your children's school.

I am not complaining but pointing that posting homework online won't substitute class room teaching. i am not surprised which you side picked..

Stateofyou · 08-02-2021 10:21PM

jusvi2001 wrote: »

Huge difference?? . teachers can still stay at home and earn full salary & holidays.

Me too (not a teacher), and 100's of thousands here in Ireland. Who else is on reduced salary and holidays? Such a thing as contract law. We're in a pandemic ordered to work from home by our government. No one should need to suffer and not be able to provide for themselves or family just because they must work from home. This statement is ridiculous.

Stateofyou · 08-02-2021 10:25PM

Gradius wrote: »

I fooking well know so.

How many of these teachers are actually being checked in on to see where they are?

Not all of them, that's 100% fact.

Hahhahhhaahha!! Who's checking on the rest of us? You'd have to work with the time zones which wouldn't be easy, and I'd say the tax laws might be a bit of a nightmare. And how would a teacher's salary afford to keep paying on their Irish home long term and also pay where they're living abroad? :rolleyes:

yrreg0850 · 08-02-2021 10:49PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Absolute zero chance this will happen in Ireland - unions won't allow it. Complete waste of time even discussing it.

I'd prefer to focus on getting schools re-opened ASAP. There's absolutely no reason all primary shouldn't be back open 22 Feb IMO.

I can't see why the unions should be involved.
The construction industry is due to reopen 5th March.

Will those unions be consulted ??

mohawk · 08-02-2021 10:50PM

Neagra wrote: »

the numbers are very low and have been for last week.

whats going to happen if schools dont open soon is the vast majority of parents are going to turn on their teachers -
i know nobody with school age children who agrees with the schools being closed and some of the abuse i hear thrown around about teachers can be rough.
one of my co workers wife is a teacher and he has to listen to it. he did try and protest but another colleague told him if he did not like it he should go home and hide like his wife.

the longer the schools stay closed the more stressful being a teacher is going to be in the medium term.

Why would parents be blaming the teachers?? It’s a government decision to reopen or keep them closed.

History Queen · 08-02-2021 10:51PM

yrreg0850 wrote: »

I can't see why the unions should be involved.
The construction industry is due to reopen 5th March.

Will those unions be consulted ??

Do you understand the role of a union? Your post suggests not.

Construction unions were involved in talks re making Construction safer in 2020 so assuming they are happy with these conditions their unions may not be involved in reopening talks, if they are not happy I'm sure they will be.

https://www.thejournal.ie/trade-union-agreement-construction-industry-5104484-May2020/

yrreg0850 · 08-02-2021 10:59PM

History Queen wrote: »

Do you understand the role of a union? Your post suggests not.

The teaching unions are the only ones being consulted with regards to working .

As I said the building unions will not be consulted with regards returning .
Neither were the retail employee unions consulted with regards to placing their members in a position where they are more likely to contact Covid than teachers.

History Queen · 08-02-2021 11:01PM

yrreg0850 wrote: »

The teaching unions are the only ones being consulted with regards to working .

As I said the building unions will not be consulted with regards returning .
Neither were the retail employee unions consulted with regards to placing their members in a more position where they are more likely to contact Covid than teachers.

I edited my post as you were typing I'd say. See above. Again I ask, do you understand the role of a union? Teachers unions are not the only unions being consulted.

quarryman · 08-02-2021 11:06PM

jusvi2001 wrote: »

Every other sector is working hard and taking risk to keep this country running with exception to teachers who feels they are at huge risk if the schools are open. Regarding payment and holidays ...there are not many who earn full salary & holidays and get to stay at home. so consider yourself lucky.

My thoughts too.

Every single other (private and public) sector working hard towards eventual lockdown.

Teachers? Still refusing to work.

And yes, I have first-hand experience of the efforts they are making providing remote education (in one of the biggest schools in the country) and it's pathetic.

History Queen · 08-02-2021 11:07PM

quarryman wrote: »

My thoughts too.

Every single other (private and public) sector working hard towards eventual lockdown.

Teachers? Still refusing to work.

And yes, I have first-hand experience of the efforts they are making providing remote education (in one of the biggest schools in the country) and its pathetic.

Teachers are not refusing to work. But you know that.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 08-02-2021 11:08PM

quarryman wrote: »

Teachers? Still refusing to work.

Closing the laptop for the evening after getting stuff ready for tomorrow and replying to student emails

Really disappointed to see quarryman doesn't think I'm working

yrreg0850 · 08-02-2021 11:09PM

History Queen wrote: »

I edited my post as you were typing I'd say. See above. Again I ask, do you understand the role of a union? Teachers unions are not the only unions being consulted.

yes I do and am a member.

quarryman · 08-02-2021 11:09PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Closing the laptop for the evening after getting stuff ready for tomorrow and replying to student emails

Really disappointed to see quarryman doesn't think I'm working

Great work.

You are the exception.

History Queen · 08-02-2021 11:10PM

yrreg0850 wrote: »

yes I do and am a member.

So why do you post as if you don't understand then? The function of a union is to look after their members.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 08-02-2021 11:10PM

quarryman wrote: »

Great work.

You are the exception.

Not really

wirelessdude01 · 08-02-2021 11:18PM

quarryman wrote: »

Great work.

You are the exception.

No they aren't.

jusvi2001 · 08-02-2021 11:18PM

History Queen wrote: »

Teachers are not refusing to work. But you know that.

https://www.thejournal.ie/teachers-union-back-to-school-leaving-cert-5318602-Jan2021/

https://www.thejournal.ie/schools-trade-unions-5329909-Jan2021/

History Queen · 08-02-2021 11:20PM

jusvi2001 wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/teachers-union-back-to-school-leaving-cert-5318602-Jan2021/

https://www.thejournal.ie/schools-trade-unions-5329909-Jan2021/

Your point? Teachers are not refusing to work.

jusvi2001 · 08-02-2021 11:23PM

History Queen wrote: »

Your point? Teachers are not refusing to work.

'ASTI and TUI directed teachers not to co-operate with government plans before Leaving Cert u-turn'

Probably teachers union has a different opinion.

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Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01