Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Windmill100000 · 04-02-2021 11:07AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

All anecdotal raving though.

The facts are the construction sector in Ireland was the hardest hit in lockdown 1 in Europe.

Ireland is now the only country to shut construction again in the world.

Call it what you want, it's what I have seen and hear from my window. Building works are going on.

Plenty of cars on the road from 8am too.

Maybe our spike after Christmas when we were one of the worst in Europe is why lockdowns were harsh here. Makes sense to me.

Boggles · 04-02-2021 11:10AM

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Allowing data centres and educational buildings to continue doesn’t make ****e all difference to house building.

I thought you said you were familiar with the exemptions?

social housing projects, including voids, designated as essential sites by Local Authorities based on set criteria

housing adaptation grants where the homeowner is agreeable to adaptions being undertaken in their home

Windmill100000 · 04-02-2021 11:12AM

Yes, as suspected it was the surge in cases in January.

https://www.globalconstructionreview.com/news/ireland-shuts-down-construction-covid-cases-rise/

Corby Trouser Press · 04-02-2021 11:15AM

Boggles wrote: »

I thought you said you were familiar with the exemptions?

What point are you trying to make here?

Voids are really gonna sort the housing crises out in jig time?

Limited local authority sites are gonna keep all the lads goin?

I thought that analogy of hospitality being open cos McDonald’s is was harsh but i’m beginning to have my doubts

FintanMcluskey · 04-02-2021 11:15AM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Yes, as suspected it was the surge in cases in January.

https://www.globalconstructionreview.com/news/ireland-shuts-down-construction-covid-cases-rise/

But absolutely unnecessary as proven in the link you posted. It proves yet again, that in Ireland no consideration of the cost effectiveness of business closures is considered

Ahead of the shutdown last week, Ireland’s Construction Industry Federation (CIF) suggested the measure wasn’t necessary because the industry was operating safely and because the infection rate among Ireland’s 147,000 construction workers was “considerably below the population average at all times”.

“Companies are redoubling their efforts to prevent/screen Covid from being imported from the community after the Christmas period,” CIF director general Tom Parlon told The Irish Times.

“Testing, screening and constant communication with sub-contractors and employees is underway. The message is if you are a close contact or exhibit any symptoms do not show up to work.”

Parlon remarked that “no other country – barring some US states and Italy in the initial wave – have shut down construction during lockdowns. Most recently, the UK and Scotland have entered lockdown and left construction operational.”

Boggles · 04-02-2021 11:17AM

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

What point are you trying to make here?

All construction is not closed, substantial amounts of construction, maintenance and repair are still ongoing.

You know that's just today's falsehood.

Tomorrow it will be something else.

Windmill100000 · 04-02-2021 11:18AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Life is not really going on for many people.

Many people no longer have jobs.
Almost every social outlet is closed
You are not allowed visit family/friends
You are not allowed outside 5Km unless it’s essential
Practically not allowed to leave the country

Most people are not getting on with things.
SOME people that have jobs are going to work.
Not the same as getting on with things.

So you keep saying, yet there are more people in work than out if it. Most people are adhering to regulations because they believe it's the right thing to do. I know that hurts, but its the truth.

Corby Trouser Press · 04-02-2021 11:25AM

Boggles wrote: »

All construction is not closed, substantial amounts of construction, maintenance and repair are still ongoing.

You know that's just today's falsehood.

Tomorrow it will be something else.

My God, the semantics just to try and win an argument...

Look, construction is largely, substantially, whatever else you want to call it, closed!

That is a fact.

We are putting massive pressure on our economic output for no justifiable reason.

Trust me, I have asked the relevant questions and have found those in power to be unable to answer.

Windmill100000 · 04-02-2021 11:26AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

But absolutely unnecessary as proven in the link you posted. It proves yet again, that in Ireland no consideration of the cost effectiveness of business closures is considered

Well of course the construction industry will say they should not be locked down, but they are a tad bias, no? Same as wet pubs making a case for remaining open, which was utterly laughable.

It was locked down because cases surged and rightly so.

ypres5 · 04-02-2021 11:31AM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Well of course the construction industry will say they should not be locked down, but they are a tad bias, no? Same as wet pubs making a case for remaining open, which was utterly laughable.

It was locked down because cases surged and rightly so.

but we're currently a complete outlier for having construction bar a few exceptions closed. what makes Irish construction so different to the rest of the globes?

Dr. Bre · 04-02-2021 11:35AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And there you have it folks...

Leo Varadkar:

We will try to avoid austerity. But of course, you know, once this pandemic does end, there will be a gap between what we’re spending and what we’re raising in taxes and that will have to be closed

I despise austerity!

Boggles · 04-02-2021 11:38AM

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

My God, the semantics just to try and win an argument...

Look, construction is largely, substantially, whatever else you want to call it, closed!

That is a fact.

Nope. Go for a walk / drive around.

Trust me thing have got an awful lot busier in the past 2 weeks on the sites.

SnuggyBear · 04-02-2021 11:40AM

Boggles wrote: »

Nope. Go for a walk / drive around.

Trust me thing have got an awful lot busier in the past 2 weeks on the sites.

Did the rules change in the last two weeks that we don't know about?

Corby Trouser Press · 04-02-2021 11:40AM

ypres5 wrote: »

but we're currently a complete outlier for having construction bar a few exceptions closed. what makes Irish construction so different to the rest of the globes?

Consumption of breakfast rolls is a huge transmission factor

Don't Chute! · 04-02-2021 11:44AM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Call it what you want, it's what I have seen and hear from my window. Building works are going on.

Plenty of cars on the road from 8am too.

Maybe our spike after Christmas when we were one of the worst in Europe is why lockdowns were harsh here. Makes sense to me.

To be honest it looks like all the information you have has been gleaned from looking out your window.

FlubberJones · 04-02-2021 11:44AM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

So you keep saying, yet there are more people in work than out if it. Most people are adhering to regulations because they believe it's the right thing to do. I know that hurts, but its the truth.

I adhere because I have not because I want to, I feel lockdowns are a blanket approach that do as much damage as it attempts to stop.

Boggles · 04-02-2021 11:44AM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Did the rules change in the last two weeks that we don't know about?

You do know construction workers / companies are not mindless simpletons?

The narrative that the all of them would have just showed up for work in January given the instance rate of the virus is false.

SnuggyBear · 04-02-2021 11:47AM

Nothing to worry about lads, Boggles went for a walk and saw construction was booming. Everything is a ok

Graham · 04-02-2021 11:47AM

ypres5 wrote: »

but we're currently a complete outlier for having construction bar a few exceptions closed. what makes Irish construction so different to the rest of the globes?

As a country we went from some of the lowest case numbers to the highest in a matter of weeks.

Less movement = less virus spreading.

Construction isn't being singled out here, it's facing the same restrictions as many other industries.

Corby Trouser Press · 04-02-2021 11:47AM

Boggles wrote: »

You do know construction workers / companies are not mindless simpletons?

The narrative that the all of them would have just showed up for work in January given the instance rate of the virus is false.

You do know construction workers / companies are not mindless simpletons?

They can get stopped at checkpoints and asked by law enforcement to produce evidence that the work they are attending are allowed under the current legislation on penalty of a fine?

Boggles · 04-02-2021 11:47AM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Nothing to worry about lads, Boggles went for a walk and saw construction was booming. Everything is a ok

Nope, but I suggest you do.

SnuggyBear · 04-02-2021 11:48AM

Boggles wrote: »

Nope, but I suggest you do.

I'm just back from the beach pal. I saw no construction on my journey through 2 towns.

Boggles · 04-02-2021 11:49AM

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

You do know construction workers / companies are not mindless simpletons?

They can get stopped at checkpoints and asked by law enforcement to produce evidence that the work they are attending are allowed under the current legislation on penalty of a fine?

You missed my point, just because companies or workers were allowed work doesn't mean they would have taken up that option given the high levels of the virus in the community in January.

Not everyone is a mindless Lemming.

But again, I implore you, go for a drive / walk, report back.

Boggles · 04-02-2021 11:50AM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

I'm just back from the beach pal. I saw no construction on my journey through 2 towns.

Color me shocked.

Also 2 towns and a beach within 5km, lucky you.

Corby Trouser Press · 04-02-2021 11:52AM

Graham wrote: »

As a country we went from some of the lowest case numbers to the highest in a matter of weeks.

Less movement = less virus spreading.

Construction isn't being singled out here, it's facing the same restrictions as many other industries.

No factories are closed.

Are all the goods produced there essential?

No warehouses are closed packing and delivering clothing, electrical goods and whatever else people are ordering... all absolutely essential?

The production of a home or other structure has very much been singled out under these current restrictions, relative to other industries and relative to other jurisdictions.

Loafing Oaf · 04-02-2021 11:55AM

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

No factories are closed.

Are all the goods produced there essential?

No warehouses are closed packing and delivering clothing, electrical goods and whatever else people are ordering... all absolutely essential?

The production of a home or other structure has very much been singled out under these current restrictions, relative to other industries and relative to other jurisdictions.

I'd imagine it's more difficult to socially distance properly on a building site than in most factories/warehouses

Corby Trouser Press · 04-02-2021 12:01PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I'd imagine it's more difficult to socially distance properly on a building site than in most factories/warehouses

"Minister for Housing, Local Government and Heritage, Darragh O’Brien TD has confirmed a shutdown in construction activity from 6pm on Friday 8th January as part of the national effort to halt the spread of COVID-19. The situation will be reviewed on January 31st.

Minister O’Brien said the decision was necessary so as to try to bring the virus under control and that only a very limited amount of essential sites and a small number of designated social housing construction projects which are due for completion within a 6-8 week period would continue during this time. Cabinet also agreed that the construction and operation of water, wastewater and gas infrastructure and related services remain essential. The planning system will continue to operate subject to appropriate safety protocols and services operating online where feasible.

Commenting he said, “I have spoken with stakeholders today and will continue to engage with them. The construction sector showed great agility in adapting so swiftly to public health measures and social distancing requirements. Over the past six months I have visited sites which had strict protocols in place for the safety of all their staff.

“It’s clear that these measures have worked with no evidence the construction sector has been a driver of infections. The number of associated outbreaks representing 0.6% of all outbreaks since August."

0.6%

I would imagine both construction and factories/warehouses where properly managed are fairly low risk transmission wise.

SnuggyBear · 04-02-2021 12:05PM

Boggles wrote: »

Color me shocked.

Also 2 towns and a beach within 5km, lucky you.

I went further than the 5k shock horror. Presumably like the rest of the people in the full carpark

Idbatterim · 04-02-2021 12:07PM

Fg now boasting about the obscene welfare state they have created here. Paid for by the workers now deserting them, who pay for it all... LOL!

walus · 04-02-2021 12:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

We’ve intentionally obliterated our own income through job losses and closure of the economy for pro longed periods of time.

We’ve borrowed billions to keep the lights on.

Sadly there is only going to be one way out of this. Tax, tax and cuts.

They can waffle on about growth, but it will be taxes and cuts needed to pay the bill.

Of course. Growth is something that needs time and even at that needs right strategy from the beginning. And I only wonder how they are going to get all those pup recipients to get off their backsides, go to work and work productively so that we can generate an appropriate level of growth. Productivity has been sagging for the last 2 decades and giving people money for nothing is a very poor way to encourage its growth.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings