Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

normanoffside

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s not a reason the imply he is on the take. The NCRL also only do a small fraction of the testing.

The thread never allows accuracy or facts get in the way of a good rant however

It's not about being on the 'take', It's about protecting lives in the most efficient and effective way possible.
Testing care home workers once every 14 days and waiting an extra day for results is clearly not the best way to protect elderly residents.

normanoffside

normanoffside wrote: »

It's not about being on the 'take', It's about protecting lives in the most efficient and effective way possible.
Testing care home workers once every 14 days and waiting an extra day for results is clearly not the best way to protect elderly residents.

So it’s no longer about an imaginary conflict of interest then

normanoffside

Deleted User wrote: »

So it’s no longer about an imaginary conflict of interest then

Can I ask you what do you think is the point of me responding to you?

Silentcorner

suicide_circus wrote: »

Does CdeG personally benefit financially from the the type of testing an official body he is a member of favours?

That wouldn't be clear at this stage, most likely not, however, given his position and the complete reluctance to use a quicker cheaper alternative especially in the high priority areas, you'd want to have some set of blinkers on not to ask questions, given the toll on residents of care homes.

GazzaL

hamburgham wrote: »

Was out in Swords earlier and passed Ryanair’s headquarters in total darkness. Was really sad. All the hard work and energy that went into building that company. The haters don’t have to work for them or fly with them. Millions of us do and are eternally grateful to them for opening up all of Europe . Michael O’ Leary has more ability in his little finger than NPHET and MM and Leo combined. I am really furious about the damage they have done to the aviation industry. Their job was to protect the elderly for which they have abdicated responsibility and not destroy businesses all over the country.

Nail on the head. The Government and NPHET have achieved **** all in almost 11 months. The elderly and vulnerable are still facing much higher risks in healthcare settings, risk mitigation practices such as antigen testing have been dismissed out of hand. Businesses which were operating safely have been forced to close, many of whom are ineligible for any supports apart from rate breaks. The Government won't take any responsibility and they've subcontracted that along with decision making to NPHET.

normanoffside

normanoffside wrote: »

Can I ask you what do you think is the point of me responding to you?

This:

McNamara brought this up in the Dail today and insinuated that perhaps NPHET's reluctance to introduce Antigen testing in care home and other settings is due to Cillian De Gascun's PCR lab and contract for testing...

Turned into:

It's not about being on the 'take', It's about protecting lives in the most efficient and effective way possible.
Testing care home workers once every 14 days and waiting an extra day for results is clearly not the best way to protect elderly residents.

You thought you had a stick to beat de Gascun with when all you had was half baked nonsense which 30seconds of thought would have dismissed. And when challenged on it, pivot away to what is possibly a valid point, however completely ignores the fact the you spread baseless nonsense on somebody without any foundation

Jim Gazebo

I keep seeing "oh fantastic the numbers are coming down". What difference does it make at this stage?

We open up, cases rise, we get put back into a longer lockdown than the opening we had. I'll be interested when we start making some strides to live with this virus.

Silentcorner

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

I keep seeing "oh fantastic the numbers are coming down". What difference does it make at this stage?

We open up, cases rise, we get put back into a longer lockdown than the opening we had. I'll be interested when we start making some strides to live with this virus.

I believe we are back testing close contacts again, madness.

If the numbers go up, we've been bad.
If the numbers go down, we've been good.

And on and on it goes...gotta keep the show on the road!!!

Jim Gazebo

Silentcorner wrote: »

I believe we are back testing close contacts again, madness.

If the numbers go up, we've been bad.
If the numbers go down, we've been good.

And on and on it goes...gotta keep the show on the road!!!

I'm more getting at the blanket shutdowns, that are consistently punishing the weak. Those that won't comply are not complying anyway. We have made no progress with allowing any safe activities to continue. For example, outdoor activities / sports / races, anything where transmission was not occurring should not be stopped.

Oohh numbers are down. Great. No it's not ****ing great. Great to the extent of less people might get infected but makes no difference to daily life. It will be great when they turn around and say this is our plan to TRY and return some of your normal ways of life.

normanoffside

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

I'm more getting at the blanket shutdowns, that are consistently punishing the weak. Those that won't comply are not complying anyway. We have made no progress with allowing any safe activities to continue. For example, outdoor activities / sports / races, anything where transmission was not occurring should not be stopped.

Oohh numbers are down. Great. No it's not ****ing great. Great to the extent of less people might get infected but makes no difference to daily life. It will be great when they turn around and say this is our plan to TRY and return some of your normal ways of life.

As I said before it's a complete lack of Nuance and critical thinking.

Lockdown or nothing is our only way and nothing will change that while NPHET makes the rules.

FintanMcluskey

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

I'm more getting at the blanket shutdowns, that are consistently punishing the weak. Those that won't comply are not complying anyway. We have made no progress with allowing any safe activities to continue. For example, outdoor activities / sports / races, anything where transmission was not occurring should not be stopped.

Oohh numbers are down. Great. No it's not ****ing great. Great to the extent of less people might get infected but makes no difference to daily life. It will be great when they turn around and say this is our plan to TRY and return some of your normal ways of life.

I’ve been making that point for weeks.

The sum of the argument is “people moving around transmit the disease”

Ireland has made a unique scientific discovery where the closure of construction is deemed a cost effective measure. Only country in the world to do so

JRant

Silentcorner wrote: »

That wouldn't be clear at this stage, most likely not, however, given his position and the complete reluctance to use a quicker cheaper alternative especially in the high priority areas, you'd want to have some set of blinkers on not to ask questions, given the toll on residents of care homes.

I don't think money has anything to do with it myself. The HSE pay for each test the lab do and it's staffed by employees from the college and is situated on the college campus. Most of what they make probably goes back into research anyway so I think that would be the wrong tree to bark up.

The question that does need to be asked though, and this is an important one, is not whether the PCR is the best test available (it clearly is) but whether it's the best one to be used right now. Scientist like the good Dr will always strive for the perfect solution when what we need is a workable one. Quick, reliable testing that can be turned around in minutes rather than days give us a much better tool to use. Sure, it's not as accurate and will miss a certain proportion but it could catch enough to limit the spread.

hamburgham

normanoffside wrote: »

As I said before it's a complete lack of Nuance and critical thinking.

Lockdown or nothing is our only way and nothing will change that while NPHET makes the rules.

And lockdown was copied from Italy. I don’t think they’ve had one single constructive idea. This can hardly be a surprise seeing as NPHET is essentially the same group of public sector lifers as run the HSE.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This:



Turned into:



You thought you had a stick to beat de Gascun with when all you had was half baked nonsense which 30seconds of thought would have dismissed. And when challenged on it, pivot away to what is possibly a valid point, however completely ignores the fact the you spread baseless nonsense on somebody without any foundation

This is getting pathetic.

Are you going to ignore the main point of every post because you are looking for a conspiracy or a false figure?

You know damn well the main point of the post was the antigen testing. Answer his question if you can.

Your constant digs at this thread are getting boring. Stay away if you don’t like it.

Silentcorner

hamburgham wrote: »

And lockdown was copied from Italy. I don’t think they’ve had one single constructive idea. This can hardly be a surprise seeing as NPHET is essentially the same group of public sector lifers as run the HSE.

We saw back in Oct that Houlihan has only one gear, level 5 lockdown.

I'd say if asked, would he do anything differently given what he knows now, he's say we should never have left level 5 at any stage, such is his arrogance.

He would have dragged us into level 5 3 weeks too early back in Oct, purely because he was coming back to work and needed to take control of everything.

He should have been made to step down that time, if we had real leaders that is what of would have happened.

Nphet had given different advice on Thursday, all was well, Tony cam back on Sunday and straight to the media.

In a proper country he'd be gone!

suicide_circus

hamburgham wrote: »

And lockdown was copied from Italy. I don’t think they’ve had one single constructive idea. This can hardly be a surprise seeing as NPHET is essentially the same group of public sector lifers as run the HSE.

This was my view of NPHET from fairly early on - these are senior HSE officials...the HSE...a constant source of scandals and f*ck ups for a decade and a half. The widespread trust in this body seems to be based more on hope than experience.

Idbatterim

much of the outdoor sport like golf should be re-open. Its bloody ridiculous. Teachers need to be bumped way up the vaccine priority list. 8,000 fewer homes will be built this year AT LEAST , due to the lockdown. The housing crisis, is going to be a housing catastrophe pretty soon...

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/landmark-dublin-docklands-site-seeks-80m-1.4474359

Silentcorner

Has anyone seen or read any instance where Tony Houlihan has been subjected to a media grilling? I'd love to see it!

suicide_circus

Silentcorner wrote: »

Has anyone seen or read any instance where Tony Houlihan has been subjected to a media grilling? I'd love to see it!

That may yet happen

Jim Gazebo

Idbatterim wrote: »

much of the outdoor sport like golf should be re-open. Its bloody ridiculous. Teachers need to be bumped way up the vaccine priority list. 8,000 fewer homes will be built this year AT LEAST , due to the lockdown. The housing crisis, is going to be a housing catastrophe pretty soon...

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/landmark-dublin-docklands-site-seeks-80m-1.4474359

This is my point. What are the chances of catching covid playing golf outside and many other sports etc are like this. We are making so many suffer it is unreal.

Mr. Karate

suicide_circus wrote: »

That may yet happen

It should have happened last year when the 2 week lockdown became three months. And then the snail's pace re opening.

franciscanpunk

Boggles wrote: »

You need to read what I was replying to.

I did read it, I don't think anyone who read the original comment would have interpreted it as being required for a job as a professional driver unless trying to find fault

FintanMcluskey

Matt Hancock has revealed that a Hollywood film about a global pandemic helped him prepare for the vaccine roll out.

The Health Secretary has confirmed reports that he was prepared for the global demand for the coronavirus vaccine after watching the 2011 film which shows the world in the grip of a major pandemic.

Meanwhile HSE officials have just finished watching the Titanic for the 3rd time to draw inspiration from its conclusion

Kunta Kinte

Idbatterim wrote: »

If people stopped watching the rte disgrace, they would be forced to change! It would be more effective than us agreeing with each other in this echo chamber. If you watch rte, you are part of the problem!

So you admit that this thread is an absolute echo chamber. The light dawns. Congratulations.

Idbatterim

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

So you admit that this thread is an absolute echo chamber. The light dawns. Congratulations.

Its an echo chamber of the truth being spoken! Its the only place I will discuss or get info on the virus! I made my mind up on this farce a long time ago!

Gael23

I’m thinking Level 4 until Easter then level 3 until June bank holiday

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is getting pathetic.

Are you going to ignore the main point of every post because you are looking for a conspiracy or a false figure?

You know damn well the main point of the post was the antigen testing. Answer his question if you can.

Your constant digs at this thread are getting boring. Stay away if you don’t like it.

You mean the main point in this post? Because that’s what drove it down this road

McNamara brought this up in the Dail today and insinuated that perhaps NPHET's reluctance to introduce Antigen testing in care home and other settings is due to Cillian De Gascun's PCR lab and contract for testing.

Del Griffith

Geuze wrote: »

Median age of death available here:

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/br/b-cdc/covid-19deathsandcasesseries21/

Has ranged from 79-85 each week, during recent months.



Life expectancy is:

https://www.cso.ie/en/statistics/birthsdeathsandmarriages/irishlifetables/

79.6 for men, 83.4 for women

Can't understand why this point doesn't get more attention.

FFS, as soon as vulnerable people are vaccinated we should be opening up 100%.

votecounts

Won't be open until the summer at the earliest according to Leo and slow rollout of the vaccine will have played its part.

https://twitter.com/thejournal_ie/status/1357208766161313796

votecounts

votecounts wrote: »

Won't be open until the summer at the earliest according to Leo and slow rollout of the vaccine will have played its part.

https://twitter.com/thejournal_ie/status/1357208766161313796

The slow rollout of the vaccine where we have rolled out practically every jab we have gotten already?