Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Graham

Graham wrote: »

Or growth.

I know that doesn't tie in well with the misery rhetoric but there you have it.

Avoid austerity

Through growth

(selective quoting works both ways)

We’ve intentionally obliterated our own income through job losses and closure of the economy for pro longed periods of time.

We’ve borrowed billions to keep the lights on.

Sadly there is only going to be one way out of this. Tax, tax and cuts.

They can waffle on about growth, but it will be taxes and cuts needed to pay the bill.

Idbatterim

pjohnson wrote: »

And the rest of the "anti-restrictors" will be along soon to say people need sympathy and compassion. While they gleefully hope for economic suffering.

That actually seems about right, not the first time "anti restrictors" have been anti Irish Economy.

remember the last recession and the detective on joe duffy saying how he fed his kids cereal several times as day, as he was that broke?

its the same kind of idiot, that will be out buying his new 211 car now, then complaining in a year or two, about having his kids on a diet of porridge or cereal, when the financial implications kick in again...

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

A frightening number of people believe the borrowing is “free money” and austerity is counter productive.


The economy is essentially obliterated, the indigenous economy in Ireland was the hardest hit in Europe after lockdown 1. We had 2 more after that.

IRELAND’S DOMESTIC ECONOMY has felt the shock of the pandemic to a greater extent than most of its European peers, according to the Economic and Social Research Institute’s (ESRI) latest quarterly economic commentary.

Highlighting recent Oxford research in the stringency of the public health restrictions rolled out across the world in March, the ESRI report concludes that Ireland “ had one of the strictest and longest lockdowns” in Europe.

The value added to the Irish economy by construction activity fell by 38% in the first six months of the year as a result of the pandemic-related shutdown measures. This represents the worst decline in Europe.

This was last September. We are now the only country to close construction in 2021.

Separately, value added by the arts and entertainment sector collapsed by over 70% in the first half of the year, again the most dramatic decline observed among the EU27 and the UK. But the large decline was “far greater than for any other country, with Romania and Denmark the only other countries also losing more than 50% of value added.”

Again, this was before the additional lockdowns.

You made claims for months that Ireland was just like Europe, it doesn’t seem it was

pjohnson

pjohnson wrote: »

And the rest of the "anti-restrictors" will be along soon to say people need sympathy and compassion. While they gleefully hope for economic suffering.

That actually seems about right, not the first time "anti restrictors" have been anti Irish Economy.

Surely if we wanted economic suffering... we’d be pro restrictions.

Getting rid of restrictions improves the economy

Silentcorner

pjohnson wrote: »

And the rest of the "anti-restrictors" will be along soon to say people need sympathy and compassion. While they gleefully hope for economic suffering.

That actually seems about right, not the first time "anti restrictors" have been anti Irish Economy.

Why do these posters keep making up words?

There is nobody anti restrictions on here!

There is a price we are going to pay for all the doomsday senario Government policies we have pursued since last March, the dooms day mongers are all on media all the time, projecting massive death and suffering, mass graves and freezer trucks full of bodies, rammed hospitals etc....posters on here are quiet rightly articulating concerns about the consequences of all this doom and gloom and the policies we are currently pursing....because very few in media that I am aware of are doing what they should be doing, providing balance.

average_runner

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

A frightening number of people believe the borrowing is “free money” and austerity is counter productive.


The economy is essentially obliterated, the indigenous economy in Ireland was the hardest hit in Europe after lockdown 1. We had 2 more after that.







This was last September. We are now the only country to close construction in 2021.



Again, this was before the additional lockdowns.

You made claims for months that Ireland was just like Europe, it doesn’t seem it was

And what about this from 16th of Dev 2020
https://www.ft.com/content/adf6ceb2-1376-41ae-8805-c9a5d649936d

average_runner

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

A frightening number of people believe the borrowing is “free money” and austerity is counter productive.


The economy is essentially obliterated, the indigenous economy in Ireland was the hardest hit in Europe after lockdown 1. We had 2 more after that.







This was last September. We are now the only country to close construction in 2021.



Again, this was before the additional lockdowns.

You made claims for months that Ireland was just like Europe, it doesn’t seem it was

And what about this from 16th of Dev 2020
https://www.ft.com/content/adf6ceb2-1376-41ae-8805-c9a5d649936d


And what about this from ERSI in Oct 2020


"Despite experiencing a relatively strict and prolonged “lockdown” compared to other countries in Europe, the decline in economic activity in Ireland, as measured by headline GDP, was relatively benign. Research published today attempts to explain the reasons behind these trends."


ERSI also said in Decemeber they expect unemployment to be at 10% next Dec

Boggles

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

This was last September. We are now the only country to close construction in 2021.

No we haven't and you certainly wouldn't think that judging by the 2 new estates near me, never been busier.

Anyway, a lot of construction is still ploughing ahead.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#construction

FintanMcluskey

average_runner wrote: »

And what about this from 16th of Dev 2020
https://www.ft.com/content/adf6ceb2-1376-41ae-8805-c9a5d649936d


And what about this from ERSI in Oct 2020


"Despite experiencing a relatively strict and prolonged “lockdown” compared to other countries in Europe, the decline in economic activity in Ireland, as measured by headline GDP, was relatively benign. Research published today attempts to explain the reasons behind these trends."

If you want to debate Ireland’s economy, don’t use GDP.

It will discredit your argument immediately

GDP in Ireland is a phenomenon known as leprechaun economics. Inflated by a number of foreign companies headquartered here to take advantage of the low corporate tax.

United States' economist Paul Krugman used the term 'leprechaun economics' to explain the disparity between Ireland's national accounts and the less glorious reality on the ground. “Ireland, famously, is a country where GDP vastly exceeds national income, by a growing margin,” he explained.

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

Surely if we wanted economic suffering... we’d be pro restrictions.

Getting rid of restrictions improves the economy

Silentcorner wrote: »

Why do these posters keep making up words?

There is nobody anti restrictions on here!

Look up!

FintanMcluskey

Boggles wrote: »

No we haven't and you certainly wouldn't think that judging by the 2 new estates near me, never been busier.

Anyway, a lot of construction is still ploughing ahead.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#construction

Is this just anecdotal raving?

average_runner

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

If you want to debate Ireland’s economy, don’t use GDP.

It will discredit your argument immediately

GDP in Ireland is a phenomenon known as leprechaun economics. Inflated by a number of foreign companies headquartered here to take advantage of the low corporate tax.

And the other two points, also maybe read the full article from the ERSI in Oct 2020.

Boggles

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Is this just anecdotal raving?

The link from the official site?

Get out and have a walk / drive around Fintan. Not everyone is inside all day everyday doomongering online.

Construction is still happening, as is maintenance and repair.

To say we have completely closed construction (repeatedly) is a falsehood, not real, not based on reality.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

The link from the official site?

Get out and have a walk / drive around Fintan. Not everyone is inside all day everyday doomongering online.

Construction is still happening, as is maintenance and repair.

To say we have completely closed construction (repeatedly) is a falsehood, not real, not based on reality.

Maybe you should tell all the construction workers on PUP to just go back to work tomorrow.

They don’t seem to know they are open.

Windmill100000

Boggles wrote: »

The link from the official site?

Get out and have a walk / drive around Fintan. Not everyone is inside all day everyday doomongering online.

Construction is still happening, as is maintenance and repair.

To say we have completely closed construction (repeatedly) is a falsehood, not real, not based on reality.

Absolutely. I think some posters think most people aren't leaving their houses at all so will lap up the bs sprouted on here. I live in a city centre, not Dublin, and there are plenty of building works going on. Roads are busy in the mornings as well and I dont think they are all going to Aldi.

Life is going on for many people. It may be restricted but most arent on here 24/7 highlighting the doom and gloom and hoping everyone else buys into it.

Corby Trouser Press

Boggles wrote: »

The link from the official site?

Get out and have a walk / drive around Fintan. Not everyone is inside all day everyday doomongering online.

Construction is still happening, as is maintenance and repair.

To say we have completely closed construction (repeatedly) is a falsehood, not real, not based on reality.

Construction is substantially closed.

Very few sites are open.

All should be open and working at full capacity in order to resolve the housing crises... remember that issue from General Election 2020 that was front and centre along with the Health Service?

The site are substantially closed because either;

A) Our public health officials are privy to some information regarding transmission on construction sites not available to other jurisdictions health experts.

Or

Construction workers are visible to the public and therefore closing sites is a PR move designed to make an impact on the traffic on the roads and people moving around.

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe you should tell all the construction workers on PUP to just go back to work tomorrow.

They don’t seem to know they are open.

Maybe you should tell all the construction workers that are working to go on the PUP.



Thread is just reaching peak levels of silliness now.

Boggles

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Construction is substantially closed.

Very few sites are open.

Constriction is substantially open, lots of sites are exempt, as is maintenance, repair, road works, utility works, schools, etc.

The LA's largely determine what is essential in domestic construction.

Again, get out and have a look around if you don't believe it.

Corby Trouser Press

Boggles wrote: »

Maybe you should tell all the construction workers that are working to go on the PUP.



Thread is just reaching peak levels of silliness now.

Peak levels of silliness is being the only country in the world to close construction in 2021.

Glad that the lads are onsite building homes for people close to you.

Hope they aren’t making too much noise or mess but just remember your own house made noise and mess when it was being built and so best just let them at it.

Windmill100000

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Absolutely. I think some posters think most people aren't leaving their houses at all so will lap up the bs sprouted on here. I live in a city centre, not Dublin, and there are plenty of building works going on. Roads are busy in the mornings as well and I dont think they are all going to Aldi.

Life is going on for many people. It may be restricted but most arent on here 24/7 highlighting the doom and gloom and hoping everyone else buys into it.

Life is not really going on for many people.

Many people no longer have jobs.
Almost every social outlet is closed
You are not allowed visit family/friends
You are not allowed outside 5Km unless it’s essential
Practically not allowed to leave the country

Most people are not getting on with things.
SOME people that have jobs are going to work.
Not the same as getting on with things.

suicide_circus

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

A frightening number of people believe the borrowing is “free money” and austerity is counter productive.


The economy is essentially obliterated, the indigenous economy in Ireland was the hardest hit in Europe after lockdown 1. We had 2 more after that.







This was last September. We are now the only country to close construction in 2021.



Again, this was before the additional lockdowns.

You made claims for months that Ireland was just like Europe, it doesn’t seem it was

Can you provide source links to the quotes you post by any chance? Not having a go would just like to read more as interested

Corby Trouser Press

Boggles wrote: »

Constriction is substantially open, lots of sites are exempt, as is maintenance, repair, road works, utility works, schools, etc.

The LA's largely determine what is essential in domestic construction.

Again, get out and have a look around if you don't believe it.

It really, really isn’t.

Trust me, when you’re paying rent and mortgage for a house you should’ve been moved into months ago at the same time you’ll know all about it !

FintanMcluskey

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Absolutely. I think some posters think most people aren't leaving their houses at all so will lap up the bs sprouted on here. I live in a city centre, not Dublin, and there are plenty of building works going on. Roads are busy in the mornings as well and I dont think they are all going to Aldi.

Life is going on for many people. It may be restricted but most arent on here 24/7 highlighting the doom and gloom and hoping everyone else buys into it.

All anecdotal raving though.

The facts are the construction sector in Ireland was the hardest hit in lockdown 1 in Europe.

Ireland is now the only country to shut construction again in the world.

Boggles

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Peak levels of silliness is being the only country in the world to close construction in 2021.

Yeah, but I just proved to you that's not true.

But I don't think it matters what I say does it? You have your bone and your letting go.

Fair enough.

Boggles

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ireland is now the only country to shut construction again in the world.

Repeating the same falsehood over and over and over will never make it true Fintan.

Corby Trouser Press

Boggles wrote: »

Yeah, but I just proved to you that's not true.

But I don't think it matters what I say does it? You have your bone and your letting go.

Fair enough.

Construction is substantially closed.

I’m well aware of the exemptions.

We’ll agree to disagree.

Boggles

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Construction is substantially closed.

I’m well aware of the exemptions.

We’ll agree to disagree.

Well you are disagreeing with yourself TBF.

You’d have to just take a minute and laugh sometimes.

Construction actually is open. Who knew...

Wonder why Leo was mentioning reopening it? Someone should tel him it’s open. And the workers too

SnuggyBear

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You’d have to just take a minute and laugh sometimes.

Construction actually is open. Who knew...

Wonder why Leo was mentioning reopening it? Someone should tel him it’s open. And the workers too

He will be saying hospitality is open next because McDonald's is open

Corby Trouser Press

Boggles wrote: »

Well you are disagreeing with yourself TBF.

Allowing data centres and educational buildings to continue doesn’t make ****e all difference to house building.

The economic harms are well known at this stage.

Why we are the only country in the world to put these restrictions in place is a question nobody can seem to answer.