Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Boggles

So construction is the new pubs?

Boggles

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I just fail to see what NPHET have achieved

You haven't been infected yet Fintan have you?

ceadaoin.

Boggles wrote: »

You haven't been infected yet Fintan have you?

I havent been infected despite doing non essential shopping, occasionally going to restaurants, casinos, meeting people, attending yoga class several times a week, going to the dentist, having a child in school. All this since may. Amazing. I should be dead several times over by now.

JRant

Sweet mother of God. Some halfwit asking Paul Reid about Joe Duffy callers saying they know people in the Canaries and asking how that would make the 4000+ HCWs out on sick leave at the moment. These questions have got to be plants, no way is someone dumb enough to ask that off their own back. It also very conveniently brush over the fact that Mr Reid has a duty of care as the head of the HSE to look at his staff, which he is clearly failing in judging by those numbers.

Boggles

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I havent been infected despite doing non essential shopping, occasionally going to restaurants, casinos, meeting people, attending yoga class several times a week, going to the dentist several times, having a child in school. All this since may. Amazing. I should be dead several times over by now.

You are not Fintan and AFAIK you don't live in Ireland.

The question doesn't apply to you, I know the narrative is Tony is some how controlling the world's response to this, he isn't.

Corby Trouser Press

Boggles wrote: »

So construction is the new pubs?

Our approach to construction is an absolute outlier in comparison to any other jurisdiction.

So no.

SnuggyBear

Boggles wrote: »

So construction is the new pubs?

Nope.

ypres5

ypres5 wrote: »

I'm asking what makes irish non essential construction different to everywhere else on the planet? can anyone answer me? also that's a pretty crap comparison tbh

Building schools and hospitals or building garages,

Opening supermarkets or opening toyshops.

Its a pretty apt comparison. We either have employment and services that we judge essential, or we open it all. If we judge that essential activities can continue, we define what is essential.

Don't Chute!

Boggles wrote: »

My new garage = non essential

School = Essential

So, quick build the schools, then close them immediately like all the others?

Corby Trouser Press

Deleted User wrote: »

Building schools and hospitals or building garages,

Opening supermarkets or opening toyshops.

Its a pretty apt comparison. We either have employment and services that we judge essential, or we open it all. If we judge that essential activities can continue, we define what is essential.

You know what, I think you're right.

I think after much trial and error our public health authorities have finally cracked it... the key to covid suppression is... deeming some construction activities essential and others non-essential!

We must share our new found knowledge with the rest of the world :rolleyes:

Wait till Boris hears that he can save the NHS by closing down some sites... he'll be forever grateful!

Boggles

Don't Chute! wrote: »

So, quick build the schools, then close them immediately like all the others?

Schools are open to teachers.

But you do know a new school is expected to last beyond these restrictions.

Boggles

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Our approach to construction is an absolute outlier in comparison to any other jurisdiction.

So no.

I haven't checked every jurisdiction, but I will take your word for it.

Did you ever entertain the idea, that it may be for the greater good?

Constructions has been prioritized over every other industry and will be again.

ypres5

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Building schools and hospitals or building garages,

Opening supermarkets or opening toyshops.

Its a pretty apt comparison. We either have employment and services that we judge essential, or we open it all. If we judge that essential activities can continue, we define what is essential.

but why are we the only country making that distinction?

Graham

ypres5 wrote: »

so if we're so concerned about people milling about how come shops are selling non essential goods like tea biscuits chocolate etc? surely the hardline approach should be taken across the board using your logic

You're funny, I'll give you that.

If there are 200,000 people milling around the country connected to the chocolate biccy industry with one or more outbreaks a week then maybe you should share your theory with NPHET. :rolleyes:

walus

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I havent been infected despite doing non essential shopping, occasionally going to restaurants, casinos, meeting people, attending yoga class several times a week, going to the dentist, having a child in school. All this since may. Amazing. I should be dead several times over by now.

Same here (with a few exemptions). However, I have friends who just like me avoided covid until they went into the hospital as the small fella broke his leg. Sure enough they brought covid home.

Graham

ypres5 wrote: »

but why are we the only country making that distinction?

No distinction, just slightly less preferential treatment this time.

To reduce the numbers of people moving around.

It's not rocket science.

ypres5

ypres5 wrote: »

but why are we the only country making that distinction?

Because every country chooses measures that they think are appropriate for their own country. We chose not to impose curfews for example. Many other did.

ArthurDayne

Deleted User wrote: »

Building schools and hospitals or building garages,

Opening supermarkets or opening toyshops.

Its a pretty apt comparison. We either have employment and services that we judge essential, or we open it all. If we judge that essential activities can continue, we define what is essential.

I’m a bit confused by this point though. I can appreciate that in the immediate rush and urgency of an unforeseen crisis, that emergency laws might be applied a bit clumsily and there might be an element of not wanting to blur lines or obfuscate. But we are a year on — there has been time to think, time to make the laws more targeted, time to consider the expansion of the idea of what is “essential” beyond the shortest of short-terms.

You talk about “defining what is essential” as if the recommencement of construction would precipitate some flood of legal confusion and the whole system of restrictions would come crashing down around us. Yes, perhaps I am putting words in your mouth there — but I would ask — if this is not what you are saying, then what do you think the problem would be?

Who would challenge it? And who would actually be able to sway the courts, if it went that far, into preventing the government from pursuing a merely tentative form of reopening in the form of allowing building to continue?

PTH2009

Nice to hear Leo booked his summer holiday

Probably only to show he's on the publics team when he cancels it like many 'hard working families'

Corby Trouser Press

Boggles wrote: »

I haven't checked every jurisdiction, but I will take your word for it.

Did you ever entertain the idea, that it may be for the greater good?

Constructions has been prioritized over every other industry and will be again.

It's doing more harm then good so it inherently cannot be for the greater good.

Far from being prioritized Construction is the only industry that does not deal directly with the public that has been closed (correct me if I'm wrong on that)

Lads are free to come and go from factories, none of which have been closed.

Warehouses, distribution centres, etc remain unhindered in their operation.

No other countries have closed industries that require hands on attendance for the work to be done (other then those that require interaction with the public).

Construction has been targeted, not prioritised.

Boggles

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

It's doing more harm then good so it inherently cannot be for the greater good.

How did you measure that?

Show your work.

Graham

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Far from being prioritized Construction is the only industry that does not deal directly with the public that has been closed (correct me if I'm wrong on that)

You're wrong on that.

Corby Trouser Press

Deleted User wrote: »

Because every country chooses measures that they think are appropriate for their own country. We chose not to impose curfews for example. Many other did.

Yes but there's kind of a 50:50 split between those imposing curfews and those who are not, dependent on a number of different factors.

We are alone in inventing the terminology "non-essential" construction and enforcing that through law.

Maybe every country has their quirky, unique restriction that people question as to "why are we doing/not doing X when no one else is?"

Let's just agree that non-essential construction can be Ireland's little speciality.

I doubt you'll find a more economically damaging and less cost-beneficial measure throughout the world.

Corby Trouser Press

Graham wrote: »

You're wrong on that.

Care to expand?

Corby Trouser Press

Boggles wrote: »

How did you measure that?

Show your work.

I wasn't the one who brought in the term "greater good" but anyway...

"The Irish Times yesterday reported a survey that work on 16,573 homes has been halted."

"It's clear that these measures have worked with no evidence the construction sector has been a driver of infections. The number of associated outbreaks representing 0.6% of all outbreaks since August."

Show your work indeed... ye lads have hardly made a coherent point between ye all day and I have consistently demolished your arguments... I am about done for the day.

Boggles

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

I wasn't the one who brought in the term "greater good" but anyway...

"The Irish Times yesterday reported a survey that work on 16,573 homes has been halted."

"It's clear that these measures have worked with no evidence the construction sector has been a driver of infections. The number of associated outbreaks representing 0.6% of all outbreaks since August."

See the problem is every industry thinks they aren't the problem.

Scale and Nuance.

But if you can't back up your statement with tangibility, we will file it under opinion and not fact.

Corby Trouser Press

Boggles wrote: »

See the problem is every industry thinks they aren't the problem.

Scale and Nuance.

But if you can't back up your statement with tangibility, we will file it under opinion and not fact.

There’s no “think” about it

The figures are in the ministers statement

0.6%

josip

Boggles wrote: »

So construction is the new pubs?

No, travel is the new pubs.

Especially the furren variety.

Boggles

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

There’s no “think” about it

The figures are in the ministers statement

0.6%

And if you read on.

However, the current trajectory of the virus is such that a shutdown in construction is necessary as part of the wider national effort to contain the pandemic. There are approximately 200,000 direct and indirect construction sector workers across the country and we are now asking the vast majority of them to stay at home

The 0.6% figure is not static or a complete accurate interruption either I imagine.

Also officially 30% of construction workers are currently working.

Me Bollíx that's all there is.

But they know that, it's why they employ a whole team of behavioral scientists.

ypres5

Boggles wrote: »

And if you read on.



The 0.6% figure is not static or a complete accurate interruption either I imagine.

so what's the logic in having non essential factories warehouses, etc open ? last time i checked an xbox or a pair of headphones from Harvey Norman weren't essential