Second hand tractors are gone expensive

Mooooo · 07-01-2021 10:24PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

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Got a 03 tm155 with 8000 hrs, 18 months ago. The guy selling it I know minds machinery and he was trading in to garaghy while I was dropping in a tractor to get fixed, I took home the tm and it's been a love affair since. 25k inc vat

Good thing those calving cameras aren't working kev, God knows what they'd catch you at in the tm

degetme · 07-01-2021 10:37PM

Bought a newholland t6.175 with loader. 141 plate with loader and low hours. Tis on a bale slice for the winter. Got approval yesterday for a less tanker. I don't know is it madness. I could get a new conor tanker for 19k with dribble bar on rough prices including 60% grant and turn around and buy an agitator then. Usually send most of slurry to silage ground 1 mile away. Its cut 3 times a year. I dunno am I mad or not. Contractors are busy at silage when I want slurry out

hopeso · 07-01-2021 11:42PM

degetme wrote: »

Bought a newholland t6.175 with loader. 141 plate with loader and low hours. Tis on a bale slice for the winter. Got approval yesterday for a less tanker. I don't know is it madness. I could get a new conor tanker for 19k with dribble bar on rough prices including 60% grant and turn around and buy an agitator then. Usually send most of slurry to silage ground 1 mile away. Its cut 3 times a year. I dunno am I mad or not. Contractors are busy at silage when I want slurry out

It might sound mad at the time...But fast forward a few years and it will probably have paid for itself, especially if you are writing it off against tax. I'm assuming you are using a contractor at the moment? How much a year is that costing? The price of that will probably increase when he has to use a dribble bar, as well as inflation. How much is getting the slurry out where and when you want it worth? The only other consideration is your time......

degetme · 07-01-2021 11:54PM

hopeso wrote: »

It might sound mad at the time...But fast forward a few years and it will probably have paid for itself, especially if you are writing it off against tax. I'm assuming you are using a contractor at the moment? How much a year is that costing? The price of that will probably increase when he has to use a dribble bar, as well as inflation. How much is getting the slurry out where and when you want it worth? The only other consideration is your time......

I've another 35 year to go before I get the pension anyway. Ya using a contractor all along with splash plate. I'm going to try the umbilical lads for the home block in the next few weeks but grass covers are high. With the way regs are tighting up and trying to make better use of slurry rather than overloading it on silage ground. Built a new parlour last year and the dairy washings are more than I expected

K.G. · 08-01-2021 12:17AM

If you have the time to do it you havent the work to justify the cost and when you have the work to justify, you havent the time to do it.that being said we ve been moving over time to doing most of our own work.its been a gradual build up and our gear is ok but wouldnt be new stuff,some would have been bought with some issue that we sorted but would have been otherwise sound.

Bass Reeves · 08-01-2021 10:47AM

The question is if you decided to have a tractor for light work, feeding, fertlizer spreading, a bit of topping, odd bit of mowing of surplus paddocks, to pull a small tanker to spread dairy washings etc. What size and price range tractor would you need. What would be the life time of this tractor be. On the counter side you factor in the cost of the larger tractor, its projected lifetime and on the farm.

You also factor in running costs of both tractors. While every extra hours work has a diesel cost lads often fail to factor in extra fuel used in ordinary day to day work compared to a smaller tractor. Every litre/hour extra add 55-60 euro for ever 100 hours of work.

kevthegaff · 08-01-2021 11:20AM

Only thing is you back the years with a clean new holland or john deere, they hold value

Castlekeeper · 08-01-2021 12:32PM

For basic farm work this looks like good value. Given that you'd buy it for a little less and you'd have a loader on it for another 6-7k, it would be as good as new for c.€38k, if it's straight.

hopeso · 08-01-2021 03:12PM

Castlekeeper wrote: »

For basic farm work this looks like good value. Given that you'd buy it for a little less and you'd have a loader on it for another 6-7k, it would be as good as new for c.€38k, if it's straight.

link?

K.G. · 08-01-2021 03:25PM

Probably the cheapest way to motor is older high hp tractors,there tends to be a limited market for them and likely to burn less diesel than many modern 4 pots.way more comfy too

Castlekeeper · 09-01-2021 12:07AM

Castlekeeper wrote: »

For basic farm work this looks like good value. Given that you'd buy it for a little less and you'd have a loader on it for another 6-7k, it would be as good as new for c.€38k, if it's straight.

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/tractor/26724918

Sorry!

cute geoge · 09-01-2021 12:23AM

Castlekeeper wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/tractor/26724918

Sorry!

As far as I know there are 3 specs of New holland in them models .Seems strange there Is no mention of what model it is .For all we know It could be similar model to the turkish built td.
edit It is td105 so run a mile

Grueller · 09-01-2021 12:25AM

cute geoge wrote: »

As far as I know there are 3 specs of New holland in them models .Seems strange there Is no mention of what model it is .For all we know It could be similar model to the turkish built td

It is a Turkish built TD5.105. I would put a Tumosan or an Armatrac on a par with them almost.

Dunedin · 09-01-2021 12:55AM

cute geoge wrote: »

As far as I know there are 3 specs of New holland in them models .Seems strange there Is no mention of what model it is .For all we know It could be similar model to the turkish built td.
edit It is td105 so run a mile

How do the TS105 compare with the TD 105. ?

Are the TS model a decent tractor?

Castlekeeper · 09-01-2021 09:37AM

Grueller wrote: »

It is a Turkish built TD5.105. I would put a Tumosan or an Armatrac on a par with them almost.

Jaysus!!!
That's scary stuff, so much for a NH holding their value.
It looks the exact same as a Case JXU inside, are you sure those ones are not Italian made as well? The later Case JX models were made in Italy.

MIKEKC · 10-01-2021 07:57PM

Anyone know how much an Ursus 11054 110hp, 2015 with loader 1100 hours in good condition would be worth

Grueller · 21-01-2021 10:52PM

Anyone able to tell me the exact story with importing from across the water now with regards to VAT. I assume it must be paid in England and in Ireland again?

K.G. · 21-01-2021 11:43PM

Grueller wrote: »

Anyone able to tell me the exact story with importing from across the water now with regards to VAT. I assume it must be paid in England and in Ireland again?

My understanding is vat is charged in the uk now regardless whereas up to this irish vat registered parties could buy without paying the vat in the uk and the vat on its sale in ireland.however my understanding is that vat registered irish parties can reclaim or at get a credit for the uk vat they have paid.however there is now a requirement to have a cert to say that machine is free from any soil or dirt.this is gor biosecurity reason and nothing to do with brexit

Grueller · 21-01-2021 11:55PM

K.G. wrote: »

My understanding is vat is charged in the uk now regardless whereas up to this irish vat registered parties could buy without paying the vat in the uk and the vat on its sale in ireland.however my understanding is that vat registered irish parties can reclaim or at get a credit for the uk vat they have paid.however there is now a requirement to have a cert to say that machine is free from any soil or dirt.this is gor biosecurity reason and nothing to do with brexit

So for non VAT registered buyers there is really no change then. VAT is paid on the UK side and not here?

K.G. · 22-01-2021 02:16AM

Grueller wrote: »

So for non VAT registered buyers there is really no change then. VAT is paid on the UK side and not here?

As far as i can see.no duty went on secondhand tractors.its just a cashflow thing for dealers.before they didnt pay the vat until they had it in the hand,now they have to fork most of it out before the tractor leaves the uk yard.so a tractor bought in england for 20 k +vat now costs them 25 k whereas before itwas only 20k.so the cost of stocking their yard has gone up by 20 % but the retail price should still be similar.in theory they now mainly pay vat on their margin after sale

lab man · 22-01-2021 09:06PM

Any knowledge on mc cormick tractors lads something about 115 hp tks in advance lab man

hopeso · 22-01-2021 09:23PM

lab man wrote: »

Any knowledge on mc cormick tractors lads something about 115 hp tks in advance lab man

Depending on it's age, it's either a Case IH or a Landini....

Ard_MC · 22-01-2021 10:29PM

hopeso wrote: »

Depending on it's age, it's either a Case IH or a Landini....

What years be based on the Case?

hopeso · 22-01-2021 10:57PM

Ard_MC wrote: »

What years be based on the Case?

Roughly between 2000 and 2008 I think. But it should be easy enough to tell by looking at them.

jimmy G M · 22-01-2021 11:54PM

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Reggie is the man in the know as he has a landini which is a blue mccormick.

I think Reggie would be saying a McCormick is a red Landini.

straight · 23-01-2021 12:09AM

jimmy G M wrote: »

I think Reggie would be saying a McCormick is a red Landini.

I wouldn't think much of anything Italian apart from pizza. The early McCormicks looked like the mx 135 and they were supposed to be a great machine.

kevthegaff · 23-01-2021 12:18AM

straight wrote: »

I wouldn't think much of anything Italian apart from pizza. The early McCormicks looked like the mx 135 and they were supposed to be a great machine.

I'd beg to differ on the fiats and the women

K.G. · 23-01-2021 12:23AM

Grueller wrote: »

Anyone able to tell me the exact story with importing from across the water now with regards to VAT. I assume it must be paid in England and in Ireland again?

There will be huge gaps in the conversation s with northern based tractor dealers as they used to regularly remind you that there was no vat if there was a vat number available

straight · 23-01-2021 12:43AM

kevthegaff wrote: »

I'd beg to differ on the fiats and the women

Fix It Again Tomorrow. Men and women are the same all over the world. Of course every good rule always has an exception. I'm disillusioned by the prices of second hand tractors at the moment. Going to wait for the inevitable recession after vaccination is completed.

visatorro · 23-01-2021 12:51AM

kevthegaff wrote:

I'd beg to differ on the fiats and the women

Iv had a fiat and several women, they all broke me heart and cost me money!

Second hand tractors are gone expensive

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