Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

elperello · 09-01-2021 05:19PM

kenmc wrote: »

Agreed.they need to STFU, if they can't then I'm sure they would find the UAE and similar countries more to their mindset.

Their day job is making our chosen drinks more expensive and they appear to be good at it.

The politicians who make the rules have the main responsibility.

ballyargus · 09-01-2021 06:42PM

this is disgusting. A tax on the poor. Very annoyed. Think I will get a special offer and toast their memory

Mimon · 09-01-2021 08:46PM

Won't be voting for any of the government parties again because of this nanny state nonsense.
Guess I will be abstaining from voting for a while as the opposition are numpties for different reasons.

elperello · 09-01-2021 08:54PM

Mimon wrote: »

Won't be voting for any of the government parties again because of this nanny state nonsense.
Guess I will be abstaining from voting for a while as the opposition are numpties for different reasons.

There is no opposition when it comes to this topic.

They are all in favour of it.

Think about it, 160 of them on €90k pa + expenses voting to make you pay more to buy a bottle of wine for Saturday night.

Suckit · 09-01-2021 11:41PM

Surely a lot of this is as a result of pressure from the likes of AAI, and other groups. It was probably easier because there wasn't a push back. Who starts a campaign to keep things the way they are?
I can't see anyone (me included) starting action to go against this and aim for lower prices/taxed alcohol, but it would be the only way I can imagine it happening.

Thelonious Monk · 10-01-2021 09:37AM

Suckit wrote: »

Surely a lot of this is as a result of pressure from the likes of AAI, and other groups. It was probably easier because there wasn't a push back. Who starts a campaign to keep things the way they are?
I can't see anyone (me included) starting action to go against this and aim for lower prices/taxed alcohol, but it would be the only way I can imagine it happening.

Yeah no one is going to do that, and no TD voted against it. I don't really know why, I mean they can't all be friends with publicans, and if a TD stood up against this I'd vote for them if possible, an easy win.
I reckon maybe there was some kind of deal cut with all the members to show support for it, probably in return of a salary increment or something ridiculous.
As I said earlier in thread, polls have shown the public are about 85% against this measure, yet they're doing it anyway. Infuriating.

Richard Hillman · 10-01-2021 09:47AM

You do wonder what Alcohol Action Ireland will do after they get MUP. They have gotten everything else and will have to justify their near 500k a year public funding for 3 employees.

They most certainly won't be doing studies to see if all of their policies have worked or not. These are very lucrative jobs (and let's be honest I doubt they sit in that office 9-5).

So what will be next for them to go after? They ain't going away, there's too much money in for them to go away.

Thelonious Monk · 10-01-2021 09:59AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

You do wonder what Alcohol Action Ireland will do after they get MUP. They have gotten everything else and will have to justify their near 500k a year public funding for 3 employees.

They most certainly won't be doing studies to see if all of their policies have worked or not. These are very lucrative jobs (and let's be honest I doubt they sit in that office 9-5).

So what will be next for them to go after? They ain't going away, there's too much money in for them to go away.

Probably massive labels on every bottle and can about cancer and mental health. Or maybe you can't sell it in supermarkets or convenience shops at all, only in specialist off licences.

MonkstownHoop · 10-01-2021 10:02AM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Probably massive labels on every bottle and can about cancer and mental health. Or maybe you can't sell it in supermarkets or convenience shops at all, only in specialist off licences.

Lol I can see it now, you go to pop the cap off a bottle and there's a little message on the cap that says 'are you proud of yourself?'

Was in Dunnes yesterday and all the usual 4 for 10 beers were just individually priced down around 2.60

piplip87 · 10-01-2021 10:04AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

You do wonder what Alcohol Action Ireland will do after they get MUP. They have gotten everything else and will have to justify their near 500k a year public funding for 3 employees.

They most certainly won't be doing studies to see if all of their policies have worked or not. These are very lucrative jobs (and let's be honest I doubt they sit in that office 9-5).

So what will be next for them to go after? They ain't going away, there's too much money in for them to go away.

It will be looking to ban alcohol from sports grounds, concerts and anywhere else a child might be. Maybe they will move onto gambling another things enjoyed by thousands responsibly but the same cohort with no self control will ruin it for everybody

Thelonious Monk · 10-01-2021 10:19AM

So these AAI people are just 3 dickheads trying to cause trouble? We should start an angry mob and rabble outside their premises.
I'm actually off booze now and for all I know I may never drink again, but this subject makes me so angry, these few **** dictating how people live their lives.

the beer revolu · 10-01-2021 10:21AM

The choices in the poll are stupidly limiting.

Can I not acknowledge that Ireland has a problem with alcohol and be against mup at the same time?

10-01-2021 12:32PM

the beer revolu wrote: »

The choices in the poll are stupidly limiting.

Can I not acknowledge that Ireland has a problem with alcohol and be against mup at the same time?

The poll is over 4 years old.
And the OP has not been active for almost 4 years.
Give them a break.

ShamNNspace · 10-01-2021 01:22PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

The poll is over 4 years old.
And the OP has not been active for almost 4 years.
Give them a break.

He might be on the beer

Suckit · 10-01-2021 01:53PM

To be fair, the poll seems to see things the same way as AAI and the government.
The introduction of mup does not only affect the people with problems.
It seems to (initially) only make the sellers of alcohol wealthier, as I can't imagine Heineken for example, are going to raise their prices just for Irish imports. And as it isn't a tax, it means that they will be buying in the alcohol at the same prices, but have to sell it at a higher price.
I can't think of any time the Government has succeeded in bending to the minority, and it will be interesting to see where the cheaper alcohol comes from.

kerryjack · 10-01-2021 01:53PM

All pubs in my village are all so called wet pubs, so no pub opened, as a young buck you could spend all sunday on the beer and call to 5 pubs but you won't even get a sandwich and that was a recipe for disaster. If you went to France every little pub does a bit of food some basic enough, I think every pub should have some bit of food to offer and we should make a connection between food and alcohol. Pizza, toasted sandwiches chips are all handy enough done but publicans are just too lazy to be arsed, its away easier to blame supermarkets and drink driving for there demise.

the beer revolu · 10-01-2021 02:01PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

The poll is over 4 years old.
And the OP has not been active for almost 4 years.
Give them a break.

It was stupid 4 years ago and it's still stupid and limiting.
It that lazy binary kind of thinking which really annoys me.

bodhrandude · 10-01-2021 02:05PM

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

My housemates would be big Prazsky drinkers used to buying the 4 pack (5 euro) or 8 pack (10 euro), does this mean they'll be paying the same price I pay for my 4 pack of Guinness. 4 pack of Guinness normally is 8 euro or 12/13 for the 8 pack.

Quackster · 10-01-2021 05:03PM

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

bodhrandude wrote: »

My housemates would be big Prazsky drinkers used to buying the 4 pack (5 euro) or 8 pack (10 euro), does this mean they'll be paying the same price I pay for my 4 pack of Guinness. 4 pack of Guinness normally is 8 euro or 12/13 for the 8 pack.

No, there is no sign of MUP being implemented. Multipacks are unaffected by tomorrow's changes (except for being unable to use supermarket vouchers or earn/redeem loyalty points).

10-01-2021 07:48PM

You'll be reading about it in the media tomorrow morning once the embargo is lifted: No time-limited reduced price special promotions for Alcohol. No loyalty points earned for purchase of alcohol in supermarkets. Loyalty points earned for other groceries not redeemable on Alcohol. No bundling of alcohol with other products in promotions.
Off-licenses will be happy.

listermint · 10-01-2021 07:52PM

Quackster wrote: »

No, there is no sign of MUP being implemented. Multipacks are unaffected by tomorrow's changes (except for being unable to use supermarket vouchers or earn/redeem loyalty points).

Yes but it's ****ed up the 4 for ten or 3 for ten offers on craft beers in the likes of Tesco or o Briens. They are all now more expensive and individually priced. As expected this would increase the price of already expensive beers.

Fk whoever brought this in .

cadaliac · 10-01-2021 09:19PM

listermint wrote: »

Yes but it's ****ed up the 4 for ten or 3 for ten offers on craft beers in the likes of Tesco or o Briens. They are all now more expensive and individually priced. As expected this would increase the price of already expensive beers.

Fk whoever brought this in .

Totally agree here.
The actions of MUP should be measurable and tangible - neither of which will be information available to us in the future.

elperello · 10-01-2021 09:23PM

listermint wrote: »

Yes but it's ****ed up the 4 for ten or 3 for ten offers on craft beers in the likes of Tesco or o Briens. They are all now more expensive and individually priced. As expected this would increase the price of already expensive beers.

Fk whoever brought this in .

You don't have to look very far to find out who brought it in.

All of our political parties think it is ok.

tdf7187 · 10-01-2021 09:33PM

Speaking as a recovering alcoholic...I agree with all the posts criticising the new legislation. Obviously the politicians have been bullied into this by microgroups with no public support - the pleasure hating lobby. Making craft beers more expensive is just bizarre, alcoholics don't drink f.ucking craft beers. I know, I was one. In fact in 300+ AA and Lifering meetings I have attended both in real life and on Zoom, I've never once heard anyone talk about drinking craft beers. Not once.

If they banned alcohol sales in petrol stations, they'd be onto something. The legal sales times for alcohol sales should be extended, if anything. Making it illegal to sell alcohol after 10pm is ridiculous and there was no public demand for the legislation brought in in 2008. Though I no longer consume alcohol, I despise pleasure haters.

Suckit · 10-01-2021 10:45PM

elperello wrote: »

You don't have to look very far to find out who brought it in.

All of our political parties think it is ok.

Good to see they realise the dangers of alcohol. They won't mind closing the bar in the Dail, as there is no real valid reason for it. It's just a waste of taxpayers money and often leaves unpaid bills.
It's a temptation that they don't need and shouldn't be in the workplace.

elperello · 10-01-2021 10:51PM

I have no problem with Dail bars but they should have to hand over their credit cards instead of getting credit.

How is it right that they can get drink on tick and us mere mortals can't use our vouchers to buy a few bottles of beer?

listermint · 10-01-2021 10:54PM

elperello wrote: »

You don't have to look very far to find out who brought it in.

All of our political parties think it is ok.

Based of ****e evidence and pushed into it by shady lobbyists from multiple quarters.

Where's all the posters in here who said premium beers wouldn't raise in price when confronted with that as being a consequence.

Didn't they tell us time and time again this was only to stop the sales of this phantom cheap bogey man beer.

Absolute shams.

Suckit · 10-01-2021 10:57PM

elperello wrote: »

I have no problem with Dail bars but they should have to hand over their credit cards instead of getting credit.

How is it right that they can get drink on tick and us mere mortals can't use our vouchers to buy a few bottles of beer?

I was half joking when I wrote it, but I honestly don't see how they can claim to be so concerned with our drinking habits and drive up insanely high unpaid bills in only ONE bar.
The TD's around my area are bar flies.

elperello · 10-01-2021 11:04PM

Suckit wrote: »

I was half joking when I wrote it, but I honestly don't see how they can claim to be so concerned with our drinking habits and drive up insanely high unpaid bills in only ONE bar.
The TD's around my area are bar flies.

Here's another good one, they actually have two bars. One is for members only where they don't have to mix with visitors.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/foi/frequently-requested-information/dail-bar-and-restaurant-information/

elperello · 10-01-2021 11:08PM

listermint wrote: »

Based of ****e evidence and pushed into it by shady lobbyists from multiple quarters.

Where's all the posters in here who said premium beers wouldn't raise in price when confronted with that as being a consequence.

Didn't they tell us time and time again this was only to stop the sales of this phantom cheap bogey man beer.

Absolute shams.

You may be confusing MUP with the measures coming in tomorrow.

MUP will introduce a base price below which drink cannot be sold thus making cheaper drink more expensive.

From tomorrow special offers and vouchers will be banned which will potentially affect all drink.

Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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