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    #2162
    Tonynewholland
    Registered Users Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    Reggie. wrote: »
    I'd say I'm stalled atm. I'm gonna hit a junction in a few years where I'll either have to start a baling outfit or curl back the grass side of things

    Why would you have to give up the grass work. Are the lads baling looking to do all the work


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    #2163
    Reggie.
    Registered Users Posts: 24,381 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Tonynewholland wrote: »
    Why would you have to give up the grass work. Are the lads baling looking to do all the work

    No I currently mow and rake for 2 baling outfits. Both men are near 64 years old now so I cant see them going at it much longer. They cut back using thier own mowers when I came along


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    #2164
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,089 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Reggie. wrote: »
    Not true. I'm reseeding and doing slurry in plenty of places that have upto three different contractors in a year doing different jobs.

    Also out my way theres no contractor that does everything from slurry to silage to reseeding to hedgecutting. Everyone seems to be scaling back.

    Is there not a message in that for you too


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    #2165
    K.G.
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    Reggie. wrote: »
    No I currently mow and rake for 2 baling outfits. Both men are near 64 years old now so I cant see them going at it much longer. They cut back using thier own mowers when I came along

    From a customer s point of view i would like one to do the whole job or at least responsible for organizing it.in other words if i want bales made ,i want to ring one fella and thats it i dont want to be saying its mowed now and the balerman is coming this evening so will you rake it or trying arrange a supermove after baling.one fella might be late and then your are back and forth to everyone.the days of lads moving their own bales is fast disappearing. On a side note large local baler(3 sometimes 4 fusions) has decided to buy a straight baler and loader mounted wrapper. The reason is he is moving so many bales with his 2 super moves and stacking them now he finds easier to mind the bales moving them green and wrap at storage


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    #2166
    Reggie.
    Registered Users Posts: 24,381 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    K.G. wrote: »
    From a customer s point of view i would like one to do the whole job or at least responsible for organizing it.in other words if i want bales made ,i want to ring one fella and thats it i dont want to be saying its mowed now and the balerman is coming this evening so will you rake it or trying arrange a supermove after baling.one fella might be late and then your are back and forth to everyone.the days of lads moving their own bales is fast disappearing. On a side note large local baler(3 sometimes 4 fusions) has decided to buy a straight baler and loader mounted wrapper. The reason is he is moving so many bales with his 2 super moves and stacking them now he finds easier to mind the bales moving them green and wrap at storage

    No that is all the one. Most outfits will cover all aspects of a job.

    I meant very few outfits out there now that will come do your slurry, then your silage then your hedgecutting and any reseeding in between.


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    #2167
    Reggie.
    Registered Users Posts: 24,381 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    wrangler wrote: »
    Is there not a message in that for you too

    Well I very well can't scale back any more than a 1 man band


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    #2168
    K.G.
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    Reggie. wrote: »
    No that is all the one. Most outfits will cover all aspects of a job.

    I meant very few outfits out there now that will come do your slurry, then your silage then your hedgecutting and any reseeding in between.

    But how do the larger sfp oufits justify the tractors or get staff they need if they are not doing other work as well through the year.trailering grass for sfp outfits is a waste of time at the rates that are going so unless you can get a plentiful supply of young bucks driving daddy's tractor you ll have to keep at least 4 or 5 tractors


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    #2169
    Reggie.
    Registered Users Posts: 24,381 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    K.G. wrote: »
    But how do the larger sfp oufits justify the tractors or get staff they need if they are not doing other work as well through the year.trailering grass for sfp outfits is a waste of time at the rates that are going so unless you can get a plentiful supply of young bucks driving daddy's tractor you ll have to keep at least 4 or 5 tractors

    If you read above you'll see I mentioned that they could do slurry also.

    Well around here the main SP outfit only does silage and maize. Nothing else.

    They have about 5 tractors. 2 SP. All the trailers mowers and rakes. Hires in what tractors are needed after that. Think they might be on the odd dump trailer and lowloader over the winter.

    But this is the arguement about going forward. A farmer may want to have a contractor that does it all but it just makes more sense to specialize in certain areas for contractors in the future as less overheads for them as an individual. The rates arent there for it atm.

    Sure how many outfits have be seen over the last few years that packed up but were considered the best of the best or too big to fail.

    Ya never know what's going on behind closed doors. I know one contractor in the Midlands who needs to make finance payments of 30000 a month and that's before wages and diesel. Now he has a sizable fleet but just one hiccup could sink a man like that


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    #2170
    K.G.
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    Just spotted that helmut claas has passed away.rip


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    #2171
    jaymla627
    Registered Users Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Reggie. wrote: »
    If you read above you'll see I mentioned that they could do slurry also.

    Well around here the main SP outfit only does silage and maize. Nothing else.

    They have about 5 tractors. 2 SP. All the trailers mowers and rakes. Hires in what tractors are needed after that. Think they might be on the odd dump trailer and lowloader over the winter.

    But this is the arguement about going forward. A farmer may want to have a contractor that does it all but it just makes more sense to specialize in certain areas for contractors in the future as less overheads for them as an individual. The rates arent there for it atm.

    Sure how many outfits have be seen over the last few years that packed up but were considered the best of the best or too big to fail.

    Ya never know what's going on behind closed doors. I know one contractor in the Midlands who needs to make finance payments of 30000 a month and that's before wages and diesel. Now he has a sizable fleet but just one hiccup could sink a man like that

    Cutest lad I’ve seen is the wagon man here, has a big krone wagon 2 tractors and a rake, dosent do any mowing and has another lad hired in with his loader for pit, he’s averaging 1300-1400 acres a year and his cousin puts on a second wagon for bigger jobs and he helps him out at his silage in return, he is at digger work year round as well as a one man band, owns all the gear outright bar the wagon and a new 6215r he bought this year which he had 70k of a deposit towards as traded in a very fresh 6190r he had payed off


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    #2172
    Reggie.
    Registered Users Posts: 24,381 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Cutest lad I’ve seen is the wagon man here, has a big krone wagon 2 tractors and a rake, dosent do any mowing and has another lad hired in with his loader for pit, he’s averaging 1300-1400 acres a year and his cousin puts on a second wagon for bigger jobs and he helps him out at his silage in return, he is at digger work year round as well as a one man band, owns all the gear outright bar the wagon and a new 6215r he bought this year which he had 70k of a deposit towards as traded in a very fresh 6190r he had payed off

    That could be the future there. Contractors pairing up as needed. Itll weed out the real hungry lads


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    #2173
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,089 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Reggie. wrote: »
    Well I very well can't scale back any more than a 1 man band

    Sorry My post was a bit ambiguous, An optimist might read it that in a few years demand should move up


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    #2174
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,089 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Reggie. wrote: »
    That could be the future there. Contractors pairing up as needed. Itll weed out the real hungry lads

    It is sometimes said that the worst ship to sail in is the “partnership”.


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    #2175
    Bullocks
    Registered Users Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Bullocks


    wrangler wrote: »
    It is sometimes said that the worst ship to sail in is the “partnership”.

    I wouldn't go into partnership for love nor money. You would seldom see a good one or one that lasts too long.


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    #2176
    K.G.
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Cutest lad I’ve seen is the wagon man here, has a big krone wagon 2 tractors and a rake, dosent do any mowing and has another lad hired in with his loader for pit, he’s averaging 1300-1400 acres a year and his cousin puts on a second wagon for bigger jobs and he helps him out at his silage in return, he is at digger work year round as well as a one man band, owns all the gear outright bar the wagon and a new 6215r he bought this year which he had 70k of a deposit towards as traded in a very fresh 6190r he had payed off

    Alot of symmetry going on there as i presume the tractor pulls the digger and does the dump trailer work so the wagon is helping to pay for the tractor and the loader guy probably has the loader for winter feeding anyway.mentally too the silage is a change from the 360.if they can pull away together theres alot of sense to it.around some contrators work with each other and more dont.


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    #2177
    K.G.
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    Bullocks wrote: »
    I wouldn't go into partnership for love nor money. You would seldom see a good one or one that lasts too long.

    The secret is dont sweat the small stuff


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    #2178
    Markcheese
    Registered Users Posts: 8,432 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    I can very much see the logic of specialized slurry contractors ,there's a mad panic to get slurry out first thing in spring , and then that's going to continue all the way up to the close of season ... If you are the customer wanting to get slurry out now now then you don't want to hear that the tractors are flat out drawing silage ,or sowing corn or whatever ...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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    #2179
    timple23
    Registered Users Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭timple23


    Thinging of buying a pallet fork for front tractor loader. Anything to watch out for other than fork length?


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    #2180
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,089 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    timple23 wrote: »
    Thinging of buying a pallet fork for front tractor loader. Anything to watch out for other than fork length?

    You'd definitely need the CE standard ON it


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    #2181
    Odelay
    Registered Users Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭Odelay


    timple23 wrote: »
    Thinging of buying a pallet fork for front tractor loader. Anything to watch out for other than fork length?

    1.2m long.


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    #2182
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,633 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Markcheese wrote: »
    I can very much see the logic of specialized slurry contractors ,there's a mad panic to get slurry out first thing in spring , and then that's going to continue all the way up to the close of season ... If you are the customer wanting to get slurry out now now then you don't want to hear that the tractors are flat out drawing silage ,or sowing corn or whatever ...

    I think hedge cutting and slurry would dovetail well together for a one man band. There's only about 2 months of the year when both jobs can be done.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



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    #2183
    funkey_monkey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,118 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Reggie. wrote: »
    No I currently mow and rake for 2 baling outfits. Both men are near 64 years old now so I cant see them going at it much longer. They cut back using thier own mowers when I came along

    Do you get paid separately by the farmer or do the baling outfits pay you when they get paid?
    Any point in you getting a fusion and doing it all yourself? Would the ground suit the fusion, there is not 1 fusion near us - too big and heavy for the ground.

    You were talking about buying another tractor recently, is that part of an expansion plan, or is that on ice now?


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    #2184
    Aravo
    Registered Users Posts: 855 ✭✭✭Aravo


    timple23 wrote: »
    Thinging of buying a pallet fork for front tractor loader. Anything to watch out for other than fork length?

    Am looking at getting one in the coming months. Try and get one that the frame that the loader bracket is connected to is good solid steel and not box channel.


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    #2185
    Say my name
    Registered Users Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    wrangler wrote: »
    You'd definitely need the CE standard ON it

    There's not much saving on pallet forks.

    Quicke make them and then you're done wondering.
    Can stick on a log grab in the future then if one wanted.


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    #2186
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,089 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Say my name wrote: »
    There's not much saving on pallet forks.

    Quicke make them and then you're done wondering.

    I bought from PRODIG, it lifts as much as the tractor lifts anyway, should've had one years ago. only decided to buy it when I was buying a brush


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    #2187
    jimmy G M
    Registered Users Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭jimmy G M


    Reggie. wrote: »
    No I currently mow and rake for 2 baling outfits. Both men are near 64 years old now so I cant see them going at it much longer. They cut back using thier own mowers when I came along

    Do you keep all the mowing and tedding done with the one tractor, or do yu hire in a second one?


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    #2188
    Reggie.
    Registered Users Posts: 24,381 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    funkey_monkey wrote: »
    Do you get paid separately by the farmer or do the baling outfits pay you when they get paid?
    Any point in you getting a fusion and doing it all yourself? Would the ground suit the fusion, there is not 1 fusion near us - too big and heavy for the ground.

    You were talking about buying another tractor recently, is that part of an expansion plan, or is that on ice now?

    Some farmers get me in and pay me separately but mainly I bill the baling outfits themselves.

    Still might buy a second machine for myself in the future. Something heavier for cultivation


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    #2189
    Reggie.
    Registered Users Posts: 24,381 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    jimmy G M wrote: »
    Do you keep all the mowing and tedding done with the one tractor, or do yu hire in a second one?

    Yeah one machine does it all


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    #2190
    DBK1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭DBK1


    Aravo wrote: »
    Am looking at getting one in the coming months. Try and get one that the frame that the loader bracket is connected to is good solid steel and not box channel.
    Exactly what I was going to say but then saw Aravo’s post. Make sure there’s no box iron used anywhere in the frame. Loader brackets straight onto a heavy plate is the only way to go. Otherwise you’re just depending on the strength of the box and that would be poor at best.

    It’s something I want to get myself as well. I have a loan of a set from a friend that I got a few weeks ago for one small job and I don’t know how I’ll survive without them now when they go back! They’re used a few times a week every week.


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    #2191
    josephsoap
    Registered Users Posts: 655 ✭✭✭josephsoap


    wrangler wrote: »
    I bought from PRODIG, it lifts as much as the tractor lifts anyway, should've had one years ago. only decided to buy it when I was buying a brush

    What sort of money is a set ?


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