Machinery Photo/Discussion Thread II

Reggie. · 09-01-2021 12:05AM

Grueller wrote: »

In what way?

Maybe more specialised.

Less bit of everything outfits as the machinery is too expensive to more smaller specialised outfits.

Say lads dedicated to baling or pit silage and slurry only. Lads doing reseeding only. In fact that was what I was half thinking of doing myself.

French Toast · 09-01-2021 01:25AM

Reggie. wrote: »

Less bit of everything outfits as the machinery is too expensive to more smaller specialised outfits.

Makes sense as a man would have time to have a part time job along with contracting then, as opposed to being a year round contractor.

K.G. · 09-01-2021 01:32AM

Reggie. wrote: »

Maybe more specialised.

Less bit of everything outfits as the machinery is too expensive to more smaller specialised outfits.

Say lads dedicated to baling or pit silage and slurry only. Lads doing reseeding only. In fact that was what I was half thinking of doing myself.

A man said to me once he only made money when he drove the tractor and could never make money out of paying someone else to do it.

kevthegaff · 09-01-2021 07:59AM

Reggie. wrote: »

Maybe more specialised.

Less bit of everything outfits as the machinery is too expensive to more smaller specialised outfits.

Say lads dedicated to baling or pit silage and slurry only. Lads doing reseeding only. In fact that was what I was half thinking of doing myself.

Very good.point, rather than contractors in competition for even hedgecutting

visatorro · 09-01-2021 08:11AM

Reggie. wrote:

I could possibly see the contracting game changing in the future

Yeah but its a great way to launder money and buy coloured diesel don't forget

Reggie. · 09-01-2021 08:49AM

visatorro wrote: »

Yeah but its a great way to launder money and buy coloured diesel don't forget

So is farming

09-01-2021 02:47PM

emaherx wrote: »

Similar issues with Nissan pickups over 10 years ago. They payed out on out of warranty repairs and even bought a lot of them back I think.

Twas the nissan navaras and pathfinders.
Chassis basically rotted from the inside out and cracked. . Some actually broke in 2.
Nissan inspected the vehicles. .
The ones that were repairable were sent to spain to be repaired. They gave the owners a new navara as a replacement until theirs was repaired.
If it wasnt repairable they valued the jeep and made an offer for it . There was no argueing about the offer, eithre take it or leave it . Then you were completely on your own
They also gave the option of trading it against a new one .
There was a lad on fb called richie holmes that was selling repair kits for them and doing the repairs .
A lot of lads opted to repair their own ones themselves as they were losing too much money or they did it as a precautionary measure. They passed nissans inspection but could see rust forming

Mooooo · 09-01-2021 04:17PM

Reggie. wrote: »

Maybe more specialised.

Less bit of everything outfits as the machinery is too expensive to more smaller specialised outfits.

Say lads dedicated to baling or pit silage and slurry only. Lads doing reseeding only. In fact that was what I was half thinking of doing myself.

Already happening, few bigger outfits down here alright but our baler does all bales, spreads a small bit of slurry or fert for neighbours. Slurry man is predominantly slurry but falls in with contractors at pit silage and maize. Reseeding lads do pit silage and combining, along with dung, lime and reseeding. Pit silage crew main man has harvester but the lads that mow own the mowers and some of the lads that draw with him use their own tractors. Most of them would have plenty work down here

Jb1989 · 09-01-2021 07:54PM

Reggie. wrote: »

Maybe more specialised.

Less bit of everything outfits as the machinery is too expensive to more smaller specialised outfits.

Say lads dedicated to baling or pit silage and slurry only. Lads doing reseeding only. In fact that was what I was half thinking of doing myself.

You seem to be expanding rather than specialising or am I wrong

maidhc · 09-01-2021 09:09PM

9935452 wrote: »

If it wasnt repairable they valued the jeep and made an offer for it . There was no argueing about the offer, eithre take it or leave it .

There was plenty arguing to be had on the offer!

Odelay · 09-01-2021 09:12PM

Jb1989 wrote: »

You seem to be expanding rather than specialising or am I wrong

I think he knows his target audience and is specializing in key areas for year round steady income without over stretching himself, a lot to be said for it.

Aravo · 09-01-2021 09:20PM

Mooooo wrote: »

Already happening, few bigger outfits down here alright but our baler does all bales, spreads a small bit of slurry or fert for neighbours. Slurry man is predominantly slurry but falls in with contractors at pit silage and maize. Reseeding lads do pit silage and combining, along with dung, lime and reseeding. Pit silage crew main man has harvester but the lads that mow own the mowers and some of the lads that draw with him use their own tractors. Most of them would have plenty work down here

Makes perfect sense to have a pool of machinery from a number of people. Owner as operator is best option.

Reggie. · 09-01-2021 09:55PM

Jb1989 wrote: »

You seem to be expanding rather than specialising or am I wrong

I'd say I'm stalled atm. I'm gonna hit a junction in a few years where I'll either have to start a baling outfit or curl back the grass side of things

Aravo · 09-01-2021 10:10PM

In 2020 the best money contracting wise was made by turf cutters. April and May was fantastic weather wise. Could work 12-14hr days, not bothering anyone, socially distanced. At e50 a hopper, they made their money.
Likely to be banned within the next 5-10 years.

FintanMcluskey · 09-01-2021 10:15PM

Aravo wrote: »

In 2020 the best money contracting wise was made by turf cutters. April and May was fantastic weather wise. Could work 12-14hr days, not bothering anyone, socially distanced. At e50 a hopper, they made their money.
Likely to be banned within the next 5-10 years.

It’s called brown gold for a reason.

A SF outfit and digger with wide pads is relentless turnover

A 10 sod unit is usually upwards of €55 per load. 5 loads an hour is achievable with a good digger driver

wrangler · 09-01-2021 10:19PM

Reggie. wrote: »

I'd say I'm stalled atm. I'm gonna hit a junction in a few years where I'll either have to start a baling outfit or curl back the grass side of things

Generally a farmer will use one contractor for everything Even if you do a full baling outfit the farmer has to go somewhere else for all the other services so you're competing there all the time........ apart from that you have to keep the tractors working all year round to spread the load of fixed costs over the year rather than four mths

Reggie. · 09-01-2021 10:32PM

wrangler wrote: »

Generally a farmer will use one contractor for everything Even if you do a full baling outfit the farmer has to go somewhere else for all the other services so you're competing there all the time........ apart from that you have to keep the tractors working all year round to spread the load of fixed costs over the year rather than four mths

Not true. I'm reseeding and doing slurry in plenty of places that have upto three different contractors in a year doing different jobs.

Also out my way theres no contractor that does everything from slurry to silage to reseeding to hedgecutting. Everyone seems to be scaling back.

Tonynewholland · 09-01-2021 11:17PM

Reggie. wrote: »

I'd say I'm stalled atm. I'm gonna hit a junction in a few years where I'll either have to start a baling outfit or curl back the grass side of things

Why would you have to give up the grass work. Are the lads baling looking to do all the work

Reggie. · 10-01-2021 05:16AM

Tonynewholland wrote: »

Why would you have to give up the grass work. Are the lads baling looking to do all the work

No I currently mow and rake for 2 baling outfits. Both men are near 64 years old now so I cant see them going at it much longer. They cut back using thier own mowers when I came along

wrangler · 10-01-2021 07:37AM

Reggie. wrote: »

Not true. I'm reseeding and doing slurry in plenty of places that have upto three different contractors in a year doing different jobs.

Also out my way theres no contractor that does everything from slurry to silage to reseeding to hedgecutting. Everyone seems to be scaling back.

Is there not a message in that for you too

K.G. · 10-01-2021 09:01AM

Reggie. wrote: »

No I currently mow and rake for 2 baling outfits. Both men are near 64 years old now so I cant see them going at it much longer. They cut back using thier own mowers when I came along

From a customer s point of view i would like one to do the whole job or at least responsible for organizing it.in other words if i want bales made ,i want to ring one fella and thats it i dont want to be saying its mowed now and the balerman is coming this evening so will you rake it or trying arrange a supermove after baling.one fella might be late and then your are back and forth to everyone.the days of lads moving their own bales is fast disappearing. On a side note large local baler(3 sometimes 4 fusions) has decided to buy a straight baler and loader mounted wrapper. The reason is he is moving so many bales with his 2 super moves and stacking them now he finds easier to mind the bales moving them green and wrap at storage

Reggie. · 10-01-2021 09:12AM

K.G. wrote: »

From a customer s point of view i would like one to do the whole job or at least responsible for organizing it.in other words if i want bales made ,i want to ring one fella and thats it i dont want to be saying its mowed now and the balerman is coming this evening so will you rake it or trying arrange a supermove after baling.one fella might be late and then your are back and forth to everyone.the days of lads moving their own bales is fast disappearing. On a side note large local baler(3 sometimes 4 fusions) has decided to buy a straight baler and loader mounted wrapper. The reason is he is moving so many bales with his 2 super moves and stacking them now he finds easier to mind the bales moving them green and wrap at storage

No that is all the one. Most outfits will cover all aspects of a job.

I meant very few outfits out there now that will come do your slurry, then your silage then your hedgecutting and any reseeding in between.

Reggie. · 10-01-2021 09:12AM

wrangler wrote: »

Is there not a message in that for you too

Well I very well can't scale back any more than a 1 man band

K.G. · 10-01-2021 09:26AM

Reggie. wrote: »

No that is all the one. Most outfits will cover all aspects of a job.

I meant very few outfits out there now that will come do your slurry, then your silage then your hedgecutting and any reseeding in between.

But how do the larger sfp oufits justify the tractors or get staff they need if they are not doing other work as well through the year.trailering grass for sfp outfits is a waste of time at the rates that are going so unless you can get a plentiful supply of young bucks driving daddy's tractor you ll have to keep at least 4 or 5 tractors

Reggie. · 10-01-2021 09:51AM

K.G. wrote: »

But how do the larger sfp oufits justify the tractors or get staff they need if they are not doing other work as well through the year.trailering grass for sfp outfits is a waste of time at the rates that are going so unless you can get a plentiful supply of young bucks driving daddy's tractor you ll have to keep at least 4 or 5 tractors

If you read above you'll see I mentioned that they could do slurry also.

Well around here the main SP outfit only does silage and maize. Nothing else.

They have about 5 tractors. 2 SP. All the trailers mowers and rakes. Hires in what tractors are needed after that. Think they might be on the odd dump trailer and lowloader over the winter.

But this is the arguement about going forward. A farmer may want to have a contractor that does it all but it just makes more sense to specialize in certain areas for contractors in the future as less overheads for them as an individual. The rates arent there for it atm.

Sure how many outfits have be seen over the last few years that packed up but were considered the best of the best or too big to fail.

Ya never know what's going on behind closed doors. I know one contractor in the Midlands who needs to make finance payments of 30000 a month and that's before wages and diesel. Now he has a sizable fleet but just one hiccup could sink a man like that

K.G. · 10-01-2021 09:56AM

Just spotted that helmut claas has passed away.rip

jaymla627 · 10-01-2021 10:27AM

Reggie. wrote: »

If you read above you'll see I mentioned that they could do slurry also.

Well around here the main SP outfit only does silage and maize. Nothing else.

They have about 5 tractors. 2 SP. All the trailers mowers and rakes. Hires in what tractors are needed after that. Think they might be on the odd dump trailer and lowloader over the winter.

But this is the arguement about going forward. A farmer may want to have a contractor that does it all but it just makes more sense to specialize in certain areas for contractors in the future as less overheads for them as an individual. The rates arent there for it atm.

Sure how many outfits have be seen over the last few years that packed up but were considered the best of the best or too big to fail.

Ya never know what's going on behind closed doors. I know one contractor in the Midlands who needs to make finance payments of 30000 a month and that's before wages and diesel. Now he has a sizable fleet but just one hiccup could sink a man like that

Cutest lad I’ve seen is the wagon man here, has a big krone wagon 2 tractors and a rake, dosent do any mowing and has another lad hired in with his loader for pit, he’s averaging 1300-1400 acres a year and his cousin puts on a second wagon for bigger jobs and he helps him out at his silage in return, he is at digger work year round as well as a one man band, owns all the gear outright bar the wagon and a new 6215r he bought this year which he had 70k of a deposit towards as traded in a very fresh 6190r he had payed off

Reggie. · 10-01-2021 10:48AM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Cutest lad I’ve seen is the wagon man here, has a big krone wagon 2 tractors and a rake, dosent do any mowing and has another lad hired in with his loader for pit, he’s averaging 1300-1400 acres a year and his cousin puts on a second wagon for bigger jobs and he helps him out at his silage in return, he is at digger work year round as well as a one man band, owns all the gear outright bar the wagon and a new 6215r he bought this year which he had 70k of a deposit towards as traded in a very fresh 6190r he had payed off

That could be the future there. Contractors pairing up as needed. Itll weed out the real hungry lads

wrangler · 10-01-2021 12:00PM

Reggie. wrote: »

Well I very well can't scale back any more than a 1 man band

Sorry My post was a bit ambiguous, An optimist might read it that in a few years demand should move up

wrangler · 10-01-2021 12:03PM

Reggie. wrote: »

That could be the future there. Contractors pairing up as needed. Itll weed out the real hungry lads

It is sometimes said that the worst ship to sail in is the “partnership”.

Machinery Photo/Discussion Thread II

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