Schools closed until February? (part 3)

penny piper · 07-01-2021 11:05PM

hesaidshesaid wrote: »

This interviewer is not doing great. She's shrinking before Norma's teacher tone. Sarah McInerney would be better.

Norma loves the word 'indeed.'

I thought she did a terrible job interviewing Foley...she could have pressed her
several times on the questions that were put to her..instead she allowed her to waffle on about the safety of schools...she should have asked her about the Government's u turn....she should have asked her about the new varient....I don't know why she asked her about nursing homes.....It's quite obvious this lady should not be the Minister and has no regards for Teachers/students....oh and why does she still insist the leaving cert can go ahead as normal? knowing full well that this will most likely not take place.

scouserstation · 07-01-2021 11:05PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Sure but so did many from many walks of life

That doesn't change the fact that for the second time since March we are failing to provide education to the most vulnerable children in Irish society

Schools in Derry can do it but 5km over the border in Donegal we can't apparently

By failing to provide an education for your child the government is actually in breach of the Irish constitution which clearly states that all children must receive an adequate education

khalessi · 07-01-2021 11:06PM

scouserstation wrote: »

By failing to provide an education for your child the government is actually in breach of the Irish constitution which clearly states that all children must receive an adequate education

Does it mention a pandemic? Also it has not been updated to account for online learning

Smacruairi · 07-01-2021 11:08PM

scouserstation wrote: »

By failing to provide an education for your child the government is actually in breach of the Irish constitution which clearly states that all children must receive an adequate education

Says the state will provide for an education. Not with an education. There's a distinct difference.

History Queen · 07-01-2021 11:08PM

Hopefully a solution in the works for Special Education

https://twitter.com/apike1/status/1347295516208607237?s=19

History Queen · 07-01-2021 11:08PM

scouserstation wrote: »

By failing to provide an education for your child the government is actually in breach of the Irish constitution which clearly states that all children must receive an adequate education

Incorrect

KrustyUCC · 07-01-2021 11:09PM

History Queen wrote: »

Hopefully a solution in the works for Special Education

https://twitter.com/apike1/status/1347295516208607237?s=19

I'll wait to see the details but that's a bit better

Whenseptends · 07-01-2021 11:11PM

Endintheclowns wrote: »

Why doesn't the interviewer ask her if she'd be comfortable sitting in a room with 25 other people for 6 hrs

That would be teachers doing they're job.
Just like other front line workers.

scouserstation · 07-01-2021 11:11PM

khalessi wrote: »

Does it mention a pandemic? Also it has not been updated to account for online learning

For most special needs children, online learning just doesn't cut it, so the state is essentially providing an education for everyone except the must vulnerable in our society, the state still has an obligation whether theres a pandemic or not

KrustyUCC · 07-01-2021 11:11PM

scouserstation wrote: »

By failing to provide an education for your child the government is actually in breach of the Irish constitution which clearly states that all children must receive an adequate education

hmm

I'm as angry as anybody at the moment but no court would rule that way esp if these times

Necro · 07-01-2021 11:12PM

Lynn Door wrote: »

Someone, albeit with a strong stomach needs to give her a real pearl necklace.
Might loosen her up a bit.

Mod:

Threadbanned

Necro · 07-01-2021 11:14PM

Folks, quit with the mocking of someone's personal appearance FFS - not really setting the right example with that sort of behaviour.

scouserstation · 07-01-2021 11:14PM

Smacruairi wrote: »

Says the state will provide for an education. Not with an education. There's a distinct difference.

A 42 3.2 - The State shall, however, as guardian of the common good, require in view of actual conditions that the children receive a certain minimum education, moral, intellectual and social.

CruelSummer · 07-01-2021 11:14PM

Smacruairi wrote: »

Says the state will provide for an education. Not with an education. There's a distinct difference.

True. There’s no pleasing people. No decision would keep everyone happy.

scouserstation · 07-01-2021 11:16PM

Necro wrote: »

Folks, quit with the mocking of someone's personal appearance FFS - not really setting the right example with that sort of behaviour.

A lot in here really showing their true colours, it really is embarrassing at this stage

History Queen · 07-01-2021 11:16PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I'll wait to see the details but that's a bit better

It is the head of a union looking to engage on this so hopefully a solution will be found.

Eoinbmw · 07-01-2021 11:17PM

I must say some Teachers showing a real nasty streak on this forum!
What has a persons dress sense got to do with you or this whole topic some nasty and immature comments posted here!
It leaves a bad taste in the mouth!

khalessi · 07-01-2021 11:17PM

scouserstation wrote: »

For most special needs children, online learning just doesn't cut it, so the state is essentially providing an education for everyone except the must vulnerable in our society, the state still has an obligation whether theres a pandemic or not

Yes the state but you and other are giving out about teachers and SNAs not the state.

It was the DES that ****ed up there but the teachers and SNAs and other school staff will be criticised.

Are these children also getting physio, OT SLT and the other services they require face to face or have these been postponed or gone online.? My friend's child is having SLT online.

Smacruairi · 07-01-2021 11:18PM

scouserstation wrote: »

A 42 3.2 - The State shall, however, as guardian of the common good, require in view of actual conditions that the children receive a certain minimum education, moral, intellectual and social.

Yeah where does that say the state will provide them with an education? It requires them to get one, but with parent as the natural educator, the gets them off the hook for having to provide one.

The more you know

Eoinbmw · 07-01-2021 11:19PM

khalessi wrote: »

Yes the state but you and other are giving out about teachers and SNAs not the state.

It was the DES that ****ed up there but the teachers and SNAs and other school staff will be criticised.

Are these children also getting physio, OT SLT and the other services they require face to face or have these been postponed or gone online.? My friend's child is having SLT online.

My child has been receiving these services at school!

KrustyUCC · 07-01-2021 11:19PM

History Queen wrote: »

It is the head of a union looking to engage on this so hopefully a solution will be found.

100%

khalessi · 07-01-2021 11:20PM

Eoinbmw wrote: »

My child has been receiving these services at school!

So have you spoken to them about what happens now?

ShamoBuc · 07-01-2021 11:21PM

Eoinbmw wrote: »

I must say some Teachers showing a real nasty streak on this forum!
What has a persons dress sense got to do with you or this whole topic some nasty and immature comments posted here!
It leaves a bad taste in the mouth!

Some parents have interesting posts too of course.

I think teachers get tired of the bitching they get on social media on an ongoing basis.

Contrary to popular belief, they are only human and the vast majority do their best.

Eoinbmw · 07-01-2021 11:21PM

khalessi wrote: »

So have you spoken to them about what happens now?

Its stops until the school re opens!

khalessi · 07-01-2021 11:23PM

Eoinbmw wrote: »

Its stops until the school re opens!

Well they should be offering advice too it is not solely down to the teacher.

wirelessdude01 · 07-01-2021 11:23PM

Eoinbmw wrote: »

Its stops until the school re opens!

So the school has said this to you?

Purple Mountain · 07-01-2021 11:24PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Not boring to parents of special needs children

Have you asked them?
Many children with special needs are already very vulnerable to health challenges. Do you mean to tell me that all these parents want their children back in a school building next week?
These children, through no fault of their own, mostly can't wear masks and need basic needs catered for like toileting, feeding etc.
Do you really think it's fair to ask a teacher or special needs assistant or care assistant to do that right now?

scouserstation · 07-01-2021 11:24PM

Smacruairi wrote: »

Yeah where does that say the state will provide them with an education? It requires them to get one, but with parent as the natural educator, the gets them off the hook for having to provide one.

The more you know

The Family and education section of the constitution is quite expansive, heres another one if that doesnt float your boat -
"The State shall provide for free primary education and shall endeavour to supplement and give reasonable aid to private and corporate educational initiative, and, when the public good requires it, provide other educational facilities or institutions with due regard, however, for the rights of parents, especially in the matter of religious and moral formation"

khalessi · 07-01-2021 11:26PM

scouserstation wrote: »

The Family and education section of the constitution is quite expansive, heres another one if that doesnt float your boat -
"The State shall provide for free primary education and shall endeavour to supplement and give reasonable aid to private and corporate educational initiative, and, when the public good requires it, provide other educational facilities or institutions with due regard, however, for the rights of parents, especially in the matter of religious and moral formation"

Important word there endeavour

Eoinbmw · 07-01-2021 11:26PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

So the school has said this to you?

Its the system!
The school is now shut its part of the weekly schedule!
Been trying to point this out special schools are not the same as primary or secondary schools there is so much more to it!

Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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