Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

With the rage ramped up even further for a manic Trump now, anyone else worried about what other atrocious things he'll do in the next 2 weeks?

The next batch of pardons will likely include his entire family, plus any other criminals that have helped him along the way. It's going to be a wild ride now!

Quin_Dub wrote: »

I'm genuinely worried about later today in D.C.

It's a foregone conclusion that there will be violence , it's just a matter of the scale that is to be seen.

It's heading that way, with encouragement from reps like Mo Brooks. It's still amazing to see this stuff happen in America.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1346823072612036608

Quin_Dub wrote: »

I'm genuinely worried about later today in D.C.

It's a foregone conclusion that there will be violence , it's just a matter of the scale that is to be seen.

There's very little that Trump can do legislatively in the next few weeks - Anything he does do can be instantly repealed by Biden on the 20th.

But as other have said , he is going to go on a Pardoning spree - Definitely think he is going to try to pardon himself along with quite literally anyone else that asks.

The fear is that he'll be looking to do more things that can't be reversed by Biden, such as the auctioning off of public land in Alaska to oil drilling and forcing through death row executions. He may look to antagonize Iran further in the hope of destroying any chance of rectifying the nuclear deal and/or starting a war with them.

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

The 2 kids gave brief speeches at Trump's last ever rally speech in Georgia on Monday.

Eric Trump, the president's second son, has threatened to unseat Republicans that do not attempt to block the certification of Joe Biden as the 2020 presidential winner later today in the US Congress.

"I will personally work to defeat every single Republican Senator/Congressman who doesn’t stand up against this fraud - they will be primaried in their next election and they will lose," he tweeted on Tuesday night.

It came after he warned any lawmaker that did not attempt to thwart the vote that "their political career is over" because his father's political movement was "going nowhere".

Around 140 Republicans in the House of Representatives and at least 12 Republican senators say they will vote against Biden's certification. It's seen as a last-ditch effort that has no chance of succeeding because a majority in both chambers is required and Democrats control the House.

Many in Washington believe that Eric's older brother, Donald Jr, has presidential ambitions of his own.

In fact, before President Trump himself began mulling the idea of running for president again in 2024, Republicans had actively been talking about Don Jr taking the reins.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I'm more worried about what shenanigans he will get up to today! He is due to give a speech in Washington at this so called protest (6 pm our time?) And depending on what he says it could spell a very (even moreso) tumultuous time for America.

Hopefully there is no violence today but with the crowd that seem to be going (proud boys, militia types etc) it's hard to say what may happen.

There was already a good bit of violence last night despite the police treating them incredibly softly, the opposite of the escalation tactics used against BLM - no unlawful assembly calls, no riot gear, no kettling, no batton charges, no rubber bullets etc.

Leroy42 wrote: »

Yeah, but to be fair that was Eric.

I mean, come on. Eric? When Eric is out with the message then you know they ran out of basically everyone else.

And, is it just me or have the court cases stopped at this stage. Where has Rudy and the rest of the Elite squad (or whatever they called themselves)?

Let's just say he is telling the truth what we are gonna end up with is Trump supporters becoming another Tea party and running parallel to established Reps. in 2 years at primaries

Quin_Dub wrote: »

I'm genuinely worried about later today in D.C.

It's a foregone conclusion that there will be violence , it's just a matter of the scale that is to be seen.

There's very little that Trump can do legislatively in the next few weeks - Anything he does do can be instantly repealed by Biden on the 20th.

But as other have said , he is going to go on a Pardoning spree - Definitely think he is going to try to pardon himself along with quite literally anyone else that asks.

I expect Trump to play the crowd today and when he's happy the pot is boiling OVER, he'll slip away for a joyride by helicopter watching the fires from a safe distance. As some-one else said recently, if Rome had invented golf, Nero would have been away on a course while Rome burned.

I can imagine the smiles on a lot of faces if he "pardon's" himself leaving some-one to seek a U.S.S.C ruling on the constitutionality of the pardon. The Judges might say "there's nothing in the constitution to SAY he or he can't issue a pardon to himself" and advise Congress that they have the power to alter that situation by a constitutional referendum.

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

The reason this matters is because Biden can do the basics: he can get his nominations and his judges through. He can keep the government up and running. He can push forward the non controversial aspects of his legislative agenda (like shoring up existing provisions of the ACA, providing infrastructure / stimulus packages / etc).

There will be no radical sweeping changes, but Biden cannot be baldly obstructed in the way McConnell would prefer.

Absolutely, and they should ram through as many (qualified) judicial appointments as possible along with other things that would require just a simple majority.

Its a great day for the country though about 80 million of them won't agree!

It seems the Department of Justice has submitted a proposal to the White House to change the way they enforce Title VI of the Civil Rights Act according to an article on the LGBTQ Nation facebook page....

The section PRESENTLY prohibits recipients of federal funding from discriminating based on race, color, or national origin. It covers housing programs, employers, schools, hospitals, and other organizations and programs. The move could also have an impact on LGBTQ rights.

The proposed change was quietly submitted by the department last month and bypassed the normal federal rule-making process that requires the government to publish the change and allow for public comment. It was one of former Attorney General Bill Barr’s last acts.

The change would specifically eliminate “disparate impact” protections for minorities. This is one of the most important tools in civil rights cases, because it doesn’t require plaintiffs to prove intent to discriminate. Instead, it covers instances where policies have a different impact on minority groups.

For example, one of the most famous of these types of cases involved literacy tests for voting that was meant to prevent Black people from voting. Because they had frequently been forced out of schools, this put Black people at a disadvantage. The law didn’t specifically single out Black Americans, but its effects took away their right to vote more than others.

Manic Moran wrote: »

Nuclear weapons tend to be destructive to everyone in the area. Denying the election results has proven not only to be ineffective at achieving their intended result, but beyond that, have proven self-destructive. They are, indeed, entirely on a different scale.

The people who have denied the election results are being sent into effective irrelevance, either voted out of power, or out of office entirely. They may refuse to accept it, but they can't deny the consequences. The people in favour of the nuclear option will certainly achieve their short-term goals. But like a nuclear winter, the long-term effects may prove far more destructive than the initial 'victorious' exhange. MAD is a thing both politically and militarily. We have evidence from the Senate as to what happens when one party goes nuclear and then the other follows. Why would we expect anything other from other such nuclear changes?

Failure is not an excuse for the attempt. This is the level Republicans are ready to go to now. Do you think that right now Cruz or any of them would hold off on what you consider nuclear because the Democrats don't when they tried TO stop the inauguration of a democratically elected president? Cruz is not irrelevant, Trump is not irrelevant given only a few Republicans are still willing to stand up to him. Heck if I remember correctly the Republican policy for the next 4 years was voted in as whatever the hell Trump says.

At what point do you accept that no matter what Democrats do the Republicans will escalate their own play book? How many bills has McConnell not even let a vote on. How many screaming that all they care about is for liberals to be hurt? How many votes have been gerrymandered to shreds. How many legitimate voters have been purged off of the rolls. The stacking of the supreme court.

Republicans are long past nuclear so I can't imagine anyone is worried about escalation. They don't need the Dems to escalate by themselves.

aloyisious wrote: »

It seems the Department of Justice has submitted a proposal to the White House to change the way they enforce Title VI of the Civil Rights Act according to an article on the LGBTQ Nation facebook page....

The section PRESENTLY prohibits recipients of federal funding from discriminating based on race, color, or national origin. It covers housing programs, employers, schools, hospitals, and other organizations and programs. The move could also have an impact on LGBTQ rights.

The proposed change was quietly submitted by the department last month and bypassed the normal federal rule-making process that requires the government to publish the change and allow for public comment. It was one of former Attorney General Bill Barr’s last acts.

The change would specifically eliminate “disparate impact” protections for minorities. This is one of the most important tools in civil rights cases, because it doesn’t require plaintiffs to prove intent to discriminate. Instead, it covers instances where policies have a different impact on minority groups.

For example, one of the most famous of these types of cases involved literacy tests for voting that was meant to prevent Black people from voting. Because they had frequently been forced out of schools, this put Black people at a disadvantage. The law didn’t specifically single out Black Americans, but its effects took away their right to vote more than others.

Sure it is bad but even if it is put through isn't this the exact type of thing Biden can reverse in his first hour in office? At this stage the only things that need to be concerned about are those that can't be rectified with a Biden signature, or thanks to last night others changed by a simple majority in the House and Senate.

Leroy42 wrote: »

Where are those voters going to go? AOC, Biden, Harris. Not a chance. They have no option but to stick with the GOP as the only chance of getting anything they want done.

Trump help up the possibility of turning everything back in their favour, he failed. And now he is threatening to drag the whole GOP with him. Do you really think these people are going to vote independent?

Trump had the Senate with him since 2016, and still failed. Imagine if he had the entire senate against him (assuming he won in 2024). With nobody to stick up for him. Total wasted vote.

That will become increasingly apparent as Trump is out of power and is left shouting at clouds.

US politics is brutal. They don't put up with losers for long. Trump is a loser.

Sounds a bit like King Lear.

aloyisious wrote: »

The GOP member and Georgia election official, Gabriel Sterling, is playing a stormer live on CNN supporting the count workers and slamming Trump for causing the loss of the senate seats to the GOP. The final result will be some time yet as overseas [military and other] votes have to be counted yet.

Did he discuss the final few weeks when the GOP went into Zombie Reganism overload with saying no to the stimulus cheques which was clearly an issue that resonated with a lot of voters in the last few weeks?

Did he mentoin that the Kemp and Loeffer were accused of insider trading with Covid and are the personification of the billionaire country club Republican that is thankfully finally losing favor with the public?

Trump clearly was the major reason they lost, but they were plenty of other errors which the GOP power base must acknowledge.