Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Leroy42 · 06-01-2021 12:51pm

It is yet another slap to the face of Trump. Georgia, a Red State, in a year when the GOP did well overall in the elections, has just been lost. That is down to Trump.

Not a complete disaster for the GOP, a 50/50 split they would have taken that prior to the November elections. However, this was a rally call for Trump and GOP supporters to rise up against the evils of socialism, of liberals, of the left. And they lost. So while it can be argued that overall the 50/50 split if fine, it is clear how important this election was and was treated as such by both parties.

That the GOP lost both these seats when the 'enemy' was at the gates should be very worrying.

From Trump's POV, this is the end of him. No way that he will be allowed to run again in 2024. The GOP will move quickly to remove him from any influence so that they can move on. They got what they wanted from him (judges, tax cuts etc) and not his is only going to cost them and the GOP doesn't do loyalty (well no party does).

briany · 06-01-2021 1:02pm

Leroy42 wrote: »

From Trump's POV, this is the end of him. No way that he will be allowed to run again in 2024. The GOP will move quickly to remove him from any influence so that they can move on. They got what they wanted from him (judges, tax cuts etc) and not his is only going to cost them and the GOP doesn't do loyalty (well no party does).

Eh, Trump is the most popular Republican president in history among the Republican base. He may not run again due to matters of money and age but the Republican party is in his shadow for the foreseeable.

Leroy42 · 06-01-2021 1:07pm

briany wrote: »

Eh, Trump is the most popular Republican president in history among the Republican base. He may not run again due to matters of money and age but the Republican party is in his shadow for the foreseeable.

He was. But now he has lost, and dragged others with him.

GOP love you when you are winning n(as does any party I guess). Why would GOP wait around for 4 years while Trump, the loser, continues to be a drag on the party.

The November election results clearly show that the GOP is actually doing pretty well. Trump is only one that did badly.

If he had won then of course they continue to support him, but even at this stage you can see the shift. Trump couldn't get either of the two candidates over the line in Georgia. So what purpose does he have?

They won't win with just the repubican base, they need to win back votes from the Dems. Trump won't help with that.

Kiith · 06-01-2021 1:11pm

He'll run as an independent if the GOP don't let him run again. Or Ivanka will run.

Either way, their family will be heavily involved in politics for a long time to come. Hopefully they continue to absolutely decimate the GOP, and it's a would they never recover from (which i doubt, unfortunately).

Caegan · 06-01-2021 1:16pm

Can the Dems stop Cruz and the other Reps with him from entering the House today?

Surely what they are doing goes against the Constitution and is sedation.

Just wondering if everyone has to be subjected to their crap.

banie01 · 06-01-2021 1:17pm

Caegan wrote: »

Can the Dems stop Cruz and the other Reps with him from entering the House today?

Surely what they are doing goes against the Constitution and is sedation.

Just wondering if everyone has to be subjected to their crap.

Sedation is what Cruz and co may well need

Sedition is what they are undertaking.

Caegan · 06-01-2021 1:20pm

banie01 wrote: »

Sedation is what Cruz and co may well need
Sedition is what they are undertaking.

Haha, what a mistake, I won't correct it, I'll take it as a learning moment to proof read.

Ok anyway does anyone know if they can prevent them from being there?

Water John · 06-01-2021 1:29pm

No, anyone elected by the people is entitled to take their seat, unless they have been convicted of some crime. The process for today is set out. Let them have their moment and speak and then vote them down.
The dividing vote of the GOP is what will make that a pleasure to see.

Caegan · 06-01-2021 1:31pm

Water John wrote: »

No, anyone elected by the people is entitled to take their seat, unless they have been convicted of some crime. The process for today is set out. Let them have their moment and speak and then vote them down.
The dividing vote of the GOP is what will make that a pleasure to see.

Cheers for that.

banie01 · 06-01-2021 1:35pm

Caegan wrote: »

Haha, what a mistake, I won't correct it, I'll take it as a learning moment to proof read.

Ok anyway does anyone know if they can prevent them from being there?

I do it often enough myself :P
Thought it was too funny to not take advantage of

TheIrishGrover · 06-01-2021 1:39pm

Kiith wrote: »

He'll run as an independent if the GOP don't let him run again. Or Ivanka will run.

Either way, their family will be heavily involved in politics for a long time to come. Hopefully they continue to absolutely decimate the GOP, and it's a would they never recover from (which i doubt, unfortunately).

That would be the GOP nightmare situation. Democrats would will every election going while the GOP would be split like that

salmocab · 06-01-2021 1:44pm

I’d wonder how many other places could shift red to blue with a Stacy Abrams character around. There has to be a couple of states where getting a pile of people registered could swing things.

briany · 06-01-2021 1:45pm

Leroy42 wrote: »

He was. But now he has lost, and dragged others with him.

GOP love you when you are winning n(as does any party I guess). Why would GOP wait around for 4 years while Trump, the loser, continues to be a drag on the party.

The November election results clearly show that the GOP is actually doing pretty well. Trump is only one that did badly.

If he had won then of course they continue to support him, but even at this stage you can see the shift. Trump couldn't get either of the two candidates over the line in Georgia. So what purpose does he have?

They won't win with just the repubican base, they need to win back votes from the Dems. Trump won't help with that.

If the Republican party turns its back on Trump, then they stand to lose a whole lot of votes as well, and if they crunch the numbers and find they'll lose more votes than what they can gain by propping up a relative moderate, what conclusion will they come to? And if the Republican party are going to dump Trump, then why didn't they distance themselves from the man in November? Even better, there are still congressmen and senators prepared to raise objections to Biden's certification today, even though, with all current races over, there shouldn't be any need, and so obviously there must be a need that they feel. This doesn't sound to me like a man whose grip on the Republican party is slipping.

The Republican never, as one, denied Trump's claims of electoral fraud because they were afraid of the political blowback. All that monster which the Republican party helped create is something that still exists after Trump leaves office, the paranoid conspiracy-crazed, anti-science, post-truth narcissism that has taken such disturbing root in the Republican base - all that still remains, and Trump will have noo problem figuratively leading the parade, twirling a big baton.

duploelabs · 06-01-2021 1:47pm

salmocab wrote: »

I’d wonder how many other places could shift red to blue with a Stacy Abrams character around. There has to be a couple of states where getting a pile of people registered could swing things.

Texas for one

Faugheen · 06-01-2021 1:55pm

salmocab wrote: »

I’d wonder how many other places could shift red to blue with a Stacy Abrams character around. There has to be a couple of states where getting a pile of people registered could swing things.

Mississippi, easily.

A large portion of the US’s black population lives in the South but their suppressed to f*ck.

aloyisious · 06-01-2021 1:58pm

Francie Barrett wrote: »

This is a disaster for the Republicans, the Democrats now have two years free reign in the Senate. Given Republican obstructionist tactics in the past, they are going to try and stuff every piece of legislation they can through while they have a majority in the next two years. They will not want to be caught out like Obama was when he lost the Senate shortly after winning the Presidency.

There also has to be some irony that after months of claiming election fraud, maybe Trump himself was responsible for casting doubt in Republican minds over the election process. It will be interesting to see will the Republican party go in a new direction after this, or whether they will double down on Trump.

I can see a number of GOP senators who worked with Biden as a senator working with him again in a bipartisan way. I can also see other GOP senators using the equality in numbers to settle scores with fellow GOP senators in a "polite" manner without regard to the outfall. With neither party having greater numbers there, there will be no majority leader in the senate letting one senator set the agenda as to passing of bills. The V/P will be called on to cast the binding vote in disagreements so that'll probably cause more outbreaks of bipartisanship to enable the senate have actual value to the citizen. It'll also she will have a fuller public to-do list than Mike Pence had.

I can see more of the "take it to court" actions by the likes of Cruz and Hawley but, given how they abused the right they felt they had of having judges do what they wanted, I can see courtroom doors being slammed in their faces.

One other thing that'll have to be acted on immediately will be to stop the immediate action by GOP state level parties to pass gerrymandering changes to voting areas before the dust settles on the election results. It's such an obvious likely action that local GOP parties may try slip under the door thinking the Democrat eye is not on the ball, being full of joy at their electoral success.

Itssoeasy · 06-01-2021 2:02pm

aloyisious wrote: »

I can see a number of GOP senators who worked with Biden as a senator working with him again in a bipartisan way. I can also see other GOP senators using the equality in numbers to settle scores with fellow GOP senators in a "polite" manner without regard to the outfall. With neither party having greater numbers there, there will be no majority leader in the senate letting one senator set the agenda as to passing of bills. The V/P will be called on to cast the binding vote in disagreements so that'll probably cause more outbreaks of bipartisanship to enable the senate have actual value to the citizen.

I can see more of the "take it to court" actions by the likes of Cruz and Hawley but, given how they abused the right they felt they had of having judges do what they wanted, I can see courtroom doors being slammed in their faces.

One other thing that'll have to be acted on immediately will be to stop the immediate action by GOP state level parties to pass gerrymandering changes to voting areas before the dust settles on the election results. It's such an obvious likely action that local GOP parties may try slip under the door thinking the Democrat eye is not on the ball, being full of joy at their electoral success.

There will be if the democrats win the second senate seat then Chuck Schumer will be the majority leader Because the VP is of the same party so there is technically a majority for the democrats.

amandstu · 06-01-2021 2:02pm

briany wrote: »

If the Republican party turns its back on Trump, then they stand to lose a whole lot of votes as well, and if they crunch the numbers and find they'll lose more votes than what they can gain by propping up a relative moderate, what conclusion will they come to? And if the Republican party are going to dump Trump, then why didn't they distance themselves from the man in November? Even better, there are still congressmen and senators prepared to raise objections to Biden's certification today, even though, with all current races over, there shouldn't be any need, and so obviously there must be a need that they feel. This doesn't sound to me like a man whose grip on the Republican party is slipping.

The Republican never, as one, denied Trump's claims of electoral fraud because they were afraid of the political blowback. All that monster which the Republican party helped create is something that still exists after Trump leaves office, the paranoid conspiracy-crazed, anti-science, post-truth narcissism that has taken such disturbing root in the Republican base - all that still remains, and Trump will have noo problem figuratively leading the parade, twirling a big baton.

Maybe he needs someone to walk behind him to carry his baton?

The loss of power for him and the party he parasited will focus minds.

He will be quickly forgotten to all intents and purposes (remember "events ,dear boy"?) as life moves on.

But ,hopefully the courts will remember him and he and "his" will get their deserts.

Meanwhile his followers will be lining up for therapeutic brain washing.

My hopes if not my predictions (waited long enough now to be allowed to make a fool of myself):):)

Leroy42 · 06-01-2021 2:10pm

briany wrote: »

If the Republican party turns its back on Trump, then they stand to lose a whole lot of votes as well, and if they crunch the numbers and find they'll lose more votes than what they can gain by propping up a relative moderate, what conclusion will they come to? And if the Republican party are going to dump Trump, then why didn't they distance themselves from the man in November? Even better, there are still congressmen and senators prepared to raise objections to Biden's certification today, even though, with all current races over, there shouldn't be any need, and so obviously there must be a need that they feel. This doesn't sound to me like a man whose grip on the Republican party is slipping.

The Republican never, as one, denied Trump's claims of electoral fraud because they were afraid of the political blowback. All that monster which the Republican party helped create is something that still exists after Trump leaves office, the paranoid conspiracy-crazed, anti-science, post-truth narcissism that has taken such disturbing root in the Republican base - all that still remains, and Trump will have noo problem figuratively leading the parade, twirling a big baton.

Where are those voters going to go? AOC, Biden, Harris. Not a chance. They have no option but to stick with the GOP as the only chance of getting anything they want done.

Trump help up the possibility of turning everything back in their favour, he failed. And now he is threatening to drag the whole GOP with him. Do you really think these people are going to vote independent?

Trump had the Senate with him since 2016, and still failed. Imagine if he had the entire senate against him (assuming he won in 2024). With nobody to stick up for him. Total wasted vote.

That will become increasingly apparent as Trump is out of power and is left shouting at clouds.

US politics is brutal. They don't put up with losers for long. Trump is a loser.

Tell me how · 06-01-2021 2:12pm

Kiith wrote: »

He'll run as an independent if the GOP don't let him run again. Or Ivanka will run.

Either way, their family will be heavily involved in politics for a long time to come. Hopefully they continue to absolutely decimate the GOP, and it's a would they never recover from (which i doubt, unfortunately).

Think the last 2months have finished Trump as a politician. Even if he is not prosecuted or anything after leaving office.
People were going to vote for him on the Republican ticket but not a chance he gets above 20% on a Republican/Democrat/Him ballot.

Him taking 20% on such a ballot would seriously harm the Republican candidate.

I also think that given how bad things have gotten for Trump, GOP in last several weeks, on top of last year, that those close to Trump who will be in office again are going to suffer as a consequence of this. Cruz, Hawley, Halley, Pence though I think Halley and Pence will have a strategy to overcome it and will probably deflect sufficiently. Think Trumps offspring and Jared have been hurt bigly by these last 2 months also in terms if future aspirations. Hopefully anyway.

aloyisious · 06-01-2021 2:18pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

There will be if the democrats win the second senate seat then Chuck Schumer will be the majority leader Because the VP is of the same party so there is technically a majority for the democrats.

You're right, with the V/P holding the casting vote in the event of a tied vote, it will be a technical majority as Chuck will be the one leading the bill in the senate on behalf of the Dems. I reckon it will suit some GOP senators to return to bipartisanship deals with him, the Dems and Joe in order to sink Trump-ism in the GOP so they can control their own fate without his shadow over the party. They also might want the V/P kept out of the senate in order to keep things running a lot mare smoothly there to destroy Trumps senators continuing to be agents for Trump in the senate. A lot of them, incl the outgoing majority leader, must really dislike him and his agents there intensely.

Leroy42 · 06-01-2021 2:21pm

Tell me how wrote: »

Think Trumps offspring and Jared have been hurt bigly by these last 2 months also in terms if future aspirations. Hopefully anyway.

It is amazing how quiet Jared and Ivanka have been. Hardly a peep out of them. This, at a time when the entire democratic system is under threat!

No, they are steering well clear to avoid the type of mud that you are talking about. Not sure it will work, but appears to be the strategy.

Even Don Jr had piped down a bit

briany · 06-01-2021 2:27pm

Leroy42 wrote: »

Where are those voters going to go? AOC, Biden, Harris. Not a chance. They have no option but to stick with the GOP as the only chance of getting anything they want done.

Trump help up the possibility of turning everything back in their favour, he failed. And now he is threatening to drag the whole GOP with him. Do you really think these people are going to vote independent?

Trump had the Senate with him since 2016, and still failed. Imagine if he had the entire senate against him (assuming he won in 2024). With nobody to stick up for him. Total wasted vote.

That will become increasingly apparent as Trump is out of power and is left shouting at clouds.

US politics is brutal. They don't put up with losers for long. Trump is a loser.

The (almost) whole of the Republican party were vociferously anti-Trump when he ran for the nomination back in 2016. Trump still won the thing in a landslide. If it comes to the point that the Republican party establishment wants to pivot away from Trump, it will be they who find themselves a potentially irrelevant minority. If you control the base, you control the party. They can't bar Trump from running again, if he wants, or if he can, and they certainly can't bar a Trump surrogate.

aloyisious · 06-01-2021 2:28pm

Leroy42 wrote: »

It is amazing how quiet Jared and Ivanka have been. Hardly a peep out of them. This, at a time when the entire democratic system is under threat!

No, they are steering well clear to avoid the type of mud that you are talking about. Not sure it will work, but appears to be the strategy.

Even Don Jr had piped down a bit

Jared's been abroad working out [apparently successfully] a peace deal between the warring Saudis and Qatar, with Israel's Govt giving a quiet nod to the deal. He was sitting at the same table the two Arab nations were at doing the deal.

Leroy42 · 06-01-2021 2:37pm

briany wrote: »

The (almost) whole of the Republican party were vociferously anti-Trump when he ran for the nomination back in 2016. Trump still won the thing in a landslide. If it comes to the point that the Republican party establishment wants to pivot away from Trump, it will be they who find themselves a potentially irrelevant minority. If you control the base, you control the party. They can't bar Trump from running again, if he wants, or if he can, and they certainly can't bar a Trump surrogate.

Sure, I can understand all of that, but the big change now is that Trump is very much a known quantity, unlike in 2015/16.

The GOP know they will not win the WH with Trump in 2024. While he will run on the basis of being robbed in 2020, many will draw comparisons to HC and how Trump seems to think it is his right.

You may of course be right, I have no cyrstal ball, but 2 further years in the wilderness, and being a proven loser is not a good combination.

He has lost that one thin that made him stand out, people gave him an unbelievable benefit of the doubt. He no longer had that.

06-01-2021 2:46pm

If they do get that second seat, we're also likely seeing two new states in the form of DC and Puerto Rico too.

amandstu · 06-01-2021 2:49pm

Leroy42 wrote: »

Sure, I can understand all of that, but the big change now is that Trump is very much a known quantity, unlike in 2015/16.

The GOP know they will not win the WH with Trump in 2024. While he will run on the basis of being robbed in 2020, many will draw comparisons to HC and how Trump seems to think it is his right.

You may of course be right, I have no cyrstal ball, but 2 further years in the wilderness, and being a proven loser is not a good combination.

He has lost that one thin that made him stand out, people gave him an unbelievable benefit of the doubt. He no longer had that.

And 4 years older plus he doesn't want it anyway in all likelihood.

06-01-2021 2:50pm

amandstu wrote: »

And 4 years older plus he doesn't want it anyway in all likelihood.

Does he feck want it. He only wants the job so Biden can’t.

What is it Biden said the other day? “I don’t know why he wants the job, he doesn’t wanna do the work!”

briany · 06-01-2021 3:28pm

Leroy42 wrote: »

Sure, I can understand all of that, but the big change now is that Trump is very much a known quantity, unlike in 2015/16.

The GOP know they will not win the WH with Trump in 2024. While he will run on the basis of being robbed in 2020, many will draw comparisons to HC and how Trump seems to think it is his right.

You may of course be right, I have no cyrstal ball, but 2 further years in the wilderness, and being a proven loser is not a good combination.

He has lost that one thin that made him stand out, people gave him an unbelievable benefit of the doubt. He no longer had that.

I think the Republican base, in general, is beyond 'benefit of the doubt' and into full-blown indoctrination. They live in a parallel reality where Trump was cheated in the election and Hillary Clinton has been killing kids underneath a pizza parlour for their Adrenochrome. Is this a political atmosphere where truth and reason will prevail? Is this a bunch of people who seem ready to embrace a moderate candidate when there's already one waiting to give their extreme impulses giddy voice? Whether or not the Republican fathers think Trump or Trumpism could win in 2024 is immaterial because Newsmaxx and OANN will be telling their millions of viewers that the man is a shoe-in.

Tchaikovsky · 06-01-2021 3:31pm

Leroy42 wrote: »

It is amazing how quiet Jared and Ivanka have been. Hardly a peep out of them. This, at a time when the entire democratic system is under threat!

No, they are steering well clear to avoid the type of mud that you are talking about. Not sure it will work, but appears to be the strategy.

Even Don Jr had piped down a bit

The 2 kids gave brief speeches at Trump's last ever rally speech in Georgia on Monday.

Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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