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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #8972
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    tigger123 wrote: »
    How is it that we are streaking to the top of the international table on Covid 19 infections?

    What the hell were people doing in the month of December?

    It's crazy. Must be a fair few superspreader events in there.


  • #8973
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    And lowering BMI at all costs

    BMI is a failed metric, so not really.

    Helping lower obesity sure,

    but someone who has more muscle than fat will have a higher BMI


  • #8974
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭OwenM


    Drumpot wrote: »
    So there’s insufficient evidence with regards to solely preventing or treating it. Nobody is saying it’s a panacea but in that same report :



    So there is a correlation with vit D deficiency and an increased change of getting a bad dose. What’s the problem with recommending it to the public? It’s not bulletproof in the same way masks can potentially help reduce the viral load passing among people which in turn can reduce the severity of a case.

    I don’t get it at all. The best I’ve seen in terms of VIT D against promoting it is that there’s no definitive evidence as to how much it might help. After nearly a year why are we still debating it?

    Vitamin D toxicity is a thing too and some real units are going to go out there and really do a number on themselves, it takes weeks to manifest and weeks to abate so by the time it's diagnosed you are in trouble.


  • #8975
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    How's Australia and New Zealand getting on with this new strain? They surely can't keep this one out?


  • #8976
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    And lowering BMI at all costs

    More daylight and vit D supplements and less muffins .


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  • #8977
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭OwenM


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    BMI is a failed metric, so not really.

    Helping lower obesity sure,

    but someone who has more muscle than fat will have a higher BMI

    Disagree, as a public health metric and for the general population it is very valuable. For some individuals it needs to be considered more carefully but the real shame is people with an extreme BMI saying BMI is discredited, this is simply denial of their situation.


  • #8978
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If people are recommending vitamin d supplements . Stopping alcohol of any kind would be a good idea also.


  • #8979
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,620 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    How's Australia and New Zealand getting on with this new strain? They surely can't keep this one out?

    New Zealand have reported cases of the UK strain. Not sure if they caught it on time before it got out into the wild.


  • #8980
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Re climate, seasonality and longer daily hours check Brazil and South Africa covid charts


  • #8981
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭OwenM


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Re climate, seasonality and longer daily hours check Brazil and South Africa covid charts

    There are cultural and ethnic factors in production of vitamin D from sunlight exposure if you were thinking those charts were an argument against it.


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  • #8982
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,058 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If people are recommending vitamin d supplements . Stopping alcohol of any kind would be a good idea also.

    Why is that?


  • #8983
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭OwenM


    fits wrote: »
    Why is that?

    My guess is impaired liver function, but this doesn't mean you need to stop completely, real binge drinking however...


  • #8984
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Vicxas wrote: »
    New Zealand have reported cases of the UK strain. Not sure if they caught it on time before it got out into the wild.

    Looks like they are going all out to contain it. More mandatory testing in addition to the usual ones. Border still closed to non-citizens. The price of a normal life for those who live there. Seems like a fair price.
    New Zealand has further tightened border controls amid mounting anxiety about the new variant of coronavirus driving up infections overseas.

    Six cases of the new variant of the virus – five in arrivals from the UK and one from South Africa – were recorded in managed isolation facilities in the two weeks leading up to Christmas.

    Travellers to New Zealand from the US and UK will now be required to show a negative test for Covid-19 before departure, as well as taking a test on their arrival in quarantine in addition to those on days three and 12. The border remains mostly closed to non-citizens.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/04/new-zealand-tightens-border-again-amid-fears-over-new-covid-strain


  • #8985
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    OwenM wrote: »
    Disagree, as a public health metric and for the general population it is very valuable. For some individuals it needs to be considered more carefully but the real shame is people with an extreme BMI saying BMI is discredited, this is simply denial of their situation.

    True, but when a guy like The Rock is considered dangerously obese using BMI, it's easy to discredit. It should be used with stuff like body fat percentage rather than as a catch all


  • #8986
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If people are recommending vitamin d supplements . Stopping alcohol of any kind would be a good idea also.

    I’m lucky I don’t drink alcohol :D

    I suppose asking people to take a VIT D tablet is far more likely to get less resistance to asking people not to drink. Although there does seem to be a fair few people averse to even just taking the VIT D question out of the equation for some reason. If everybody in Ireland was not VIT D deficient, doesn’t that equate to less severe cases due to VIT D deficiency?

    My limited understanding of VIT D on the body is that it’s very important role in keeping our immune system strong to help us fight off infections. Seems like such a simple low hanging variable to address, I don’t get the resistance to take it off the table.


  • #8987
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    iguana wrote: »
    Only if you have high levels of excess body fat. Not much point in a muscular person with a BMI of 22 lowering it.

    Yeah but the muscular person at 22 will likely understand BMI and its limits.

    While BMI has it's issues, it's a very easy calculation for those that do need a lower BMI, and can be the push people need to be more active. Thinking you're 'a bit heavy' can quickly change to 'oh ****, i'm in the obese range' can be a pretty good motivator when all you need is height & weight.

    I don't envisage a body builder throwing away all their work after a quick calculation

    Pointing out the flaws in BMI seems to be mandatory on the internet, not sure why tbh.


  • #8988
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,058 ✭✭✭✭fits


    OwenM wrote: »
    My guess is impaired liver function, but this doesn't mean you need to stop completely, real binge drinking however...

    They said stop rather than slow down though....


  • #8989
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,058 ✭✭✭✭fits


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »

    Pointing out the flaws in BMI seems to be mandatory on the internet, not sure why tbh.

    nobody likes what its telling us :D


  • #8990
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    If people are recommending vitamin d supplements . Stopping alcohol of any kind would be a good idea also.

    I've stopped alcohol since all this started. I want to be better at fighting of any infections. Along with taking loads of vitamins

    - Vit D
    - Magnesium for better absorption of vit d
    - Vit C
    - Zinc
    - Quercetin (acts like a key to open your cells so that zinc can get in and do it's job)
    - Bromelain can help with blood clots (though not enough evidence)

    I think all these are better than fueling myself with alcohol


  • #8991
    Eivor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭Eivor


    titan18 wrote: »
    True, but when a guy like The Rock is considered dangerously obese using BMI, it's easy to discredit. It should be used with stuff like body fat percentage rather than as a catch all

    I don't think anyone is walking around looking like The Rock worrying about their BMI. It's obvious who needs to lower their BMI. There's no mistaking loose fat for muscle.


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  • #8992
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,696 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I've stopped alcohol since all this started. I want to be better at fighting of any infections.

    Good for you I don't think I've ever drank more since this thing started. :(


  • #8993
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If people are recommending vitamin d supplements . Stopping alcohol of any kind would be a good idea also.

    So no more vitamin W or V?

    :(


  • #8994
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    fits wrote: »
    nobody likes what its telling us :D

    :D Excellent point!

    I had a BMI of 37 a few years ago (18.5st, 5ft 10) and when I saw it was obese, rather than 'a bit fat' (honestly, I was deluded) it scared the **** out of me. Managed to get it down to 23 all because of the calculation.


  • #8995
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Eivor wrote: »
    I don't think anyone is walking around looking like The Rock worrying about their BMI. It's obvious who needs to lower their BMI. There's no mistaking loose fat for muscle.

    Oh I know, and I do need to lose some weight but at the same time I know I'll never get down to that 24 range which is considered normal due to my build. I find getting the body fat percentage to be a bigger help than being told BMI


  • #8996
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    How's Australia and New Zealand getting on with this new strain? They surely can't keep this one out?

    3 in Perth

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-05/new-uk-coronavirus-strain-found-in-perth-hotel-quarantine-system/13032066

    1 in QLD

    Likely returned travelers are going need a test before travel too.


  • #8997
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,058 ✭✭✭✭fits


    I know I should probably cut back to just weekends but I really enjoy my one drink a day - usually a glass of beer or wine with dinner. Its rarely more than that.


  • #8998
    Eivor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭Eivor


    titan18 wrote: »
    Oh I know, and I do need to lose some weight but at the same time I know I'll never get down to that 24 range which is considered normal due to my build. I find getting the body fat percentage to be a bigger help than being told BMI

    I don't think there's a man or woman in the country who can't say the same at the minute. I's too easy to eat like crap when there's nothing else to do!


  • #8999
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Supplements tend to be poorly regulated with the amount listed on the package not necessarily representing what is in the tablets. There's also debate over whether supplements are as effective as getting vitamins from diet, and there is the potential to overdose (although I don't know if this is an issue with vitamin D specifically).

    I don't know if any of those are reasons why vitamin D isn't being recommended at the moment though. People take vitamin D supplements all the time without issues all the time, so it does seem like a relatively harmless recommendation.

    I don't think you can overdose on vitamin D at least not through normal supplements. I know I had a blood test back in August and GP made me get prescription vitamin D stuff and there was about 2000% of daily recommended amount in the tablet to get it up to where it needed to be for me and the multivatimin i take only has like 100% so can't see people overdoing that


  • #9000
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,058 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Eivor wrote: »
    I don't think there's a man or woman in the country who can't say the same at the minute. I's too easy to eat like crap when there's nothing else to do!

    I went down a point in BMI over the summer when there was lots of fresh lovely food available. Its stayed off mostly. Also my stats from last year show I did most walking in April.
    Everything went to hell in November and December though(exercise wise). Doing 100 days of walking now.


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  • #9001
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Eivor wrote: »
    I don't think there's a man or woman in the country who can't say the same at the minute. I's too easy to eat like crap when there's nothing else to do!

    Ya, i was doing great til February last year, doing PT, going to gym regularly and diet wasn't horrid. Then covid hit and at the start it was like this will be short, treat it like a bit of a holiday, and that phase went a bit too long.

    Less pressure to look well too I think when you're not out seeing people or gearing up for holidays or anything, and then gyms being closed doesn't help either.


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